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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Arsenal "GAME CHANGER" (Page 2 of 7)
| exactly. I love my Arsenals, but at the 1k and below price point. They're "new" or "just found in the warehouse" items are waaaayyyyy overpriced. Unless it's something really super cool and rare, I probably won't even think about it. I have other priorities right now anyway. |
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lol, yeah, most likely gonna be the "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" game. 
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not holding my breath. lol, yeah, most likely gonna be the "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" game.
Yep, if its anything like what 90% of guys in this thread are rooting for.. it'll cost $3,000. |
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That would make sense as it would explain why they killed off the 106 recently. Quoted:
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I have a feeling it will be a 5.56 model, possibly that accepts AR mags. That would make sense as it would explain why they killed off the 106 recently. I thought they killed off all of their sheet metal models because they got sued by Russia over patent infringement? |
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Quoted: Their graphics guy who uses MS Paint to cut and paste their ads together needs to be punched in the head. Some of the tackiest/worst/most unprofessional graphics and ad work I have ever seen.  - I think a 12yr old with a pirated copy of photoshop could do better.I do love the fact that this thread really shows who's optimistic and who's completely jaded. Replies are either "Ooh! I hope its cool!" or "Its going to be shit and it's going to cost a million dollars." |
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Don't believe the hype!! I have no issues with Arsenal, but I'm turned off with their marketing B.S. "If" they want to impress me, make more SLR-105 rifles and offer a Krink version with a 16" barrel as well... Also, make a run on some new Makarov pistols too. Yes, I'm dreaming, but it doesn't hurt!! A 105 variant with a milled receiver would be in my safe as soon as they came out with it. |
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If it's a SAM, it's Bulgarian milled. They didn't say "SAM7" series, so I have a feeling it might be something in 5.56x45
Probably something off this list... http://www.arsenal-bg.com/assault.html or this http://www.arsenal-bg.com/hunting.htm |
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would it take two years to design/make a folding stock milled rifle,seems kind of long?
Im still thinking 300blkout , 9mm or as some have said a 5.55 rifle that takes AR mags. either way since a milled SAM is $1300 this new rifle will probably be in the $1500 range. milled underfolder would be sick too....but not a game changer. |
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I have a feeling it will be a 5.56 model, possibly that accepts AR mags. I could definitely see this happening. Milled 5.56 ak with ar magwell adapter. It would take a little time to make this happen in a Bulgarian 5.56 caliber rifle since the profile of the bolt is the wider akm profile and not easily compatible with ar mags. Something else I could also see is a milled 6.5 platform rifle. It has me thinking something unusual after the talk of "years of development". I could see them doing a 300BO, but it wouldn't take years to develop something like that. Literally just rebarrel a 5.56 gun. None of these options appeal to me, but others may think differently. Edit. On the other hand however, if its a 9mm vityaz clone/neutered vityaz...I will strongly consider getting one. As in where is the nearest black market in order to sell a kidney. |
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I would really like to see a well designed 9mm to be honest. I'm really not a fan of the milled receivers either, so I'm hoping for something else. This. I just want something "different". Not something they've had for years in new furniture or wearing a new muzzle device. |
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Maybe an AK-12? ETA: Which is kinda ugly IMO.... http://ak-part.com/sites/default/files/image/ak-part-com-new-kalashnikov-ak12-variants.jpg Like I've said before, an AK-12 isn't a SAM family rifle, so...no, we probably won't see them this time around. I'd like to get one though. The balanced recoil 5.45 model is obviously photochopped. |
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This. I just want something "different". Not something they've had for years in new furniture or wearing a new muzzle device. Quoted:
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I would really like to see a well designed 9mm to be honest. I'm really not a fan of the milled receivers either, so I'm hoping for something else. This. I just want something "different". Not something they've had for years in new furniture or wearing a new muzzle device. Yep. And .223 models are really getting old as well, I don't care if they do come up with one that uses AR mags, if I want to shoot .22 .cal, i'll use an AR or a 5.45 AK, and .223 AK's have been around for years, nothing "game-changing" about that. 9mm would be cool as Nictra mentioned, .45 acp would be cool in my book, a 30.06 would be a beast: http://www.izhmash-arms.ru/eim/imp/236.html 
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Yep. And .223 models are really getting old as well, I don't care if they do come up with one that uses AR mags, if I want to shoot .22 .cal, i'll use an AR or a 5.45 AK, and .223 AK's have been around for years, nothing "game-changing" about that. 9mm would be cool as Nictra mentioned, .45 acp would be cool in my book, a 30.06 would be a beast: http://www.izhmash-arms.ru/eim/imp/236.html
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I would really like to see a well designed 9mm to be honest. I'm really not a fan of the milled receivers either, so I'm hoping for something else. This. I just want something "different". Not something they've had for years in new furniture or wearing a new muzzle device. Yep. And .223 models are really getting old as well, I don't care if they do come up with one that uses AR mags, if I want to shoot .22 .cal, i'll use an AR or a 5.45 AK, and .223 AK's have been around for years, nothing "game-changing" about that. 9mm would be cool as Nictra mentioned, .45 acp would be cool in my book, a 30.06 would be a beast: http://www.izhmash-arms.ru/eim/imp/236.html
Oh hell yeah. I've still got about 1,000 round of Greek surplus I'd love to put through one of those babies. |
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I don't see this new rifle being out of the three main AK calibers. My guess is a milled 556 with with a folding stock and an optional AR mag adapter. Someone on another forum said they talked to a K-Var rep and they said it was something in 7.62x39 and it had black furniture. That's all he would tell him. |
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Someone on another forum said they talked to a K-Var rep and they said it was something in 7.62x39 and it had black furniture. That's all he would tell him. Quoted:
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I don't see this new rifle being out of the three main AK calibers. My guess is a milled 556 with with a folding stock and an optional AR mag adapter. Someone on another forum said they talked to a K-Var rep and they said it was something in 7.62x39 and it had black furniture. That's all he would tell him. that doesn't sound like its much of a game changer I wish it would've been something like "we got Izhmash to send factory parts to Arsenal Bulgaria, and they made a Dragunov", I could see that taking 2 years, but another 7.62x39 with black furniture... fucking really? If its just another SAM-7 whatever I'm boycotting Arsenal forever |
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Someone on another forum said they talked to a K-Var rep and they said it was something in 7.62x39 and it had black furniture. That's all he would tell him. Quoted:
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I don't see this new rifle being out of the three main AK calibers. My guess is a milled 556 with with a folding stock and an optional AR mag adapter. Someone on another forum said they talked to a K-Var rep and they said it was something in 7.62x39 and it had black furniture. That's all he would tell him. Hope it's true. |
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that doesn't sound like its much of a game changer I wish it would've been something like "we got Izhmash to send factory parts to Arsenal Bulgaria, and they made a Dragunov", I could see that taking 2 years, but another 7.62x39 with black furniture... fucking really? If its just another SAM-7 whatever I'm boycotting Arsenal forever Quoted:
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I don't see this new rifle being out of the three main AK calibers. My guess is a milled 556 with with a folding stock and an optional AR mag adapter. Someone on another forum said they talked to a K-Var rep and they said it was something in 7.62x39 and it had black furniture. That's all he would tell him. that doesn't sound like its much of a game changer I wish it would've been something like "we got Izhmash to send factory parts to Arsenal Bulgaria, and they made a Dragunov", I could see that taking 2 years, but another 7.62x39 with black furniture... fucking really? If its just another SAM-7 whatever I'm boycotting Arsenal forever I'd agree. What's so "special" about an AK in the 3 main calibers anymore? If you don't like what you have there's a TON of aftermarket stuff to change it, or other "new" AK's like the VEPR and "old" ones like the SAR's, Norincos, Poly's and so on (which are far better IMO). Not as much as AR's but a LOT more than there used to be. Arsenal never floated my boat anyways, but every time they pull this my opinion of them lowers even more. "Hey we just found a few AK's that were lost in our warehouse".....REALLY? 
I've never understood the hardon people have for them....even less when they start using slogans associated with a moronic company YMMV |
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I don't see this new rifle being out of the three main AK calibers. My guess is a milled 556 with with a folding stock and an optional AR mag adapter. Someone on another forum said they talked to a K-Var rep and they said it was something in 7.62x39 and it had black furniture. That's all he would tell him. Hope it's true. Yeah, I would definitely take that info with a whole shaker full of salt. Even if the guy is telling the truth I've found that just because you work for a company doesn't mean you know what the hell is going on inside of it. |
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You know, I'm kind of getting tired of Arsenal/K-Var. They're the only game in town, but I'm getting tired of them. Quoted:
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Doesnt matter, im not buying it.Have other things im working on. You know, I'm kind of getting tired of Arsenal/K-Var. They're the only game in town, but I'm getting tired of them. I'm tired of how they keeping investing their efforts in shit that we don't give a fuck about and offering choices that no one has voiced interest in, or if we do give a fuck about it, they put some kind of dumbass feature on it that makes it a PITA to work on or expensive to put in the configuration that we really wanted. It is extremely annoying. The SLR-107UR was the last really smart thing they did, IMO. The SAM-7K was almost smart except for forcing us to buy a FSB and muzzle device, and making the block way harder to get out than it needed to be. I could have done without the milled receiver as well. When they release something new and I get a good look at it, my reaction is usually "WTF are they thinking?". They apparently spend very little time reading any of the forums or using their resources to figure out what we are interested in. So much fail. evl.... |
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I'm tired of how they keeping investing their efforts in shit that we don't give a fuck about and offering choices that no one has voiced interest in, or if we do give a fuck about it, they put some kind of dumbass feature on it that makes it a PITA to work on or expensive to put in the configuration that we really wanted. It is extremely annoying. The SLR-107UR was the last really smart thing they did, IMO. The SAM-7K was almost smart except for forcing us to buy a FSB and muzzle device, and making the block way harder to get out than it needed to be. I could have done without the milled receiver as well. When they release something new and I get a good look at it, my reaction is usually "WTF are they thinking?". They apparently spend very little time reading any of the forums or using their resources to figure out what we are interested in. So much fail. evl.... Quoted:
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Doesnt matter, im not buying it.Have other things im working on. You know, I'm kind of getting tired of Arsenal/K-Var. They're the only game in town, but I'm getting tired of them. I'm tired of how they keeping investing their efforts in shit that we don't give a fuck about and offering choices that no one has voiced interest in, or if we do give a fuck about it, they put some kind of dumbass feature on it that makes it a PITA to work on or expensive to put in the configuration that we really wanted. It is extremely annoying. The SLR-107UR was the last really smart thing they did, IMO. The SAM-7K was almost smart except for forcing us to buy a FSB and muzzle device, and making the block way harder to get out than it needed to be. I could have done without the milled receiver as well. When they release something new and I get a good look at it, my reaction is usually "WTF are they thinking?". They apparently spend very little time reading any of the forums or using their resources to figure out what we are interested in. So much fail. evl.... The SAM7K was an epic failure. They are completely out of touch with the AK enthusiast/consumer, and live in their own La-La land. Their marketing is very indicative of being removed from their customers, and it's obvious they aren't listening. I don't know what they're smoking over there. Not to mention their cheezy ad campaigns. They desperately need a new graphic designer. They've released decent products, but we're hitting the price wall, indicative of their rifles not selling very quickly at the current price point. |
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I have to agree. I was completely surprised they dumped the sheet metal AKs and went to milled only. A true WTF moment there for me. Sure there is a milled crowd, and yes, they are nice, but put all their eggs in one basket I think has hurt them. If they had continued with the SLR family and kept them below $900, they'd be selling like hot cakes and they'd be making a ton of $.
We will just have to wait and see. Maybe someone will email their marketing dept and send them links to all these forums talking about there "game changer". |
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Probably will be a clone of the current Arsenal offerings from Bulgaria to include folding stocks and ambi selector. http://www.arsenal-bg.com/images/defense_police/7.62ar-m9f.jpg http://www.arsenal-bg.com/images/defense_police/7.62ar-m11f.gif http://www.arsenal-bg.com/images/defense_police/7.62ar-m8f_.gif http://www.arsenal-bg.com/images/defense_police/7,62ar-m7f_2.jpg Just a guess though. I really hope its an SAM series factory sidefolder under $1800 like the ones you posted. Its about time, if they do not do that, or the prices are higher, they are on krack. |
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All I can say is "game changer" is not "lolz, folding stock on a milled AK". Nothing wrong with the concept, but game changer? Not even close.
Honestly, I don't see what you could call "game-changing" short of an AK-107 clone. A 22lr or 9mm AK would be awesome, but ultimately not that huge of a deal. Everything else has been done to death before, and, FYI, Arsenal? Milled receivers aren't that special. But maybe they've pulled one out of left field and start making the Galil ACE for US export... that would be a big deal, albeit insanely unlikely. |
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All I can say is "game changer" is not "lolz, folding stock on a milled AK". Nothing wrong with the concept, but game changer? Not even close. Honestly, I don't see what you could call "game-changing" short of an AK-107 clone. A 22lr or 9mm AK would be awesome, but ultimately not that huge of a deal. Everything else has been done to death before, and, FYI, Arsenal? Milled receivers aren't that special. But maybe they've pulled one out of left field and start making the Galil ACE for US export... that would be a big deal, albeit insanely unlikely. The game changer thing is just marketing, don't look too far into it. They have a new rifle coming soon, that's all anyone should take away from their cheesy ad. The rest is marketing BS. |
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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Arsenal "GAME CHANGER" (Page 2 of 7)
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