Posted: 9/18/2009 9:38:58 AM EDT
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Because I see these questions asked alot (and because i kinda want to know information for the other states so i can obtain as many licenses as i can), I want to start a thread which centralizes all the information we have about obtaining a non resident license in various states. PLEASE HELP OUT and i will try to collect and centralize all the info. I'll start with PA... If you see any mistakes or additions i need to make let me know. Or if you think i should put different or more headings let me know... Also note the "places off limits" for each state may only be partially correct (its what i could find so far) so please do separate research before relying on that section or any section contained herein.
PA Non Resident – Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearm Requirements: Must be 21 years of age. Must possess a concealed carry permit in your home state. Note: PA (centre county) does accept “Sportsman” / ”Target” / "Hunting" / "Camping" administratively restricted licenses at this time. As long as you have a carry permit and not a premise permit you can apply. Application Process: You can pick any County in PA and send an application to the sheriff’s office of that county. However, many nonresidents have had a very positive experience with Centre County. Go to the centre county sheriff's website and download the application. Follow the instructions. Attach all the documents. Send it in. I think for us New Yorkers it will actually be refreshing to apply for this license. Note: you will be sent your license in the mail. While all the copies are together SIGN LINE 17 and mail the two back copies (red and yellow copies) back to the Sheriff's Office. The white copy is your permit. As far as i know you are allowed to shrink the white copy down and laminate it as long as everything is legible. EDIT: 3/16/10 - A slight change in the permit process. When you are sent your license in the mail there no longer is a red and yellow copy. They now send you three white identical copies of your license and a receipt. The new instructions are as follows: Sign all three copies on Line 17 (same as before). Keep bottom Copy and Receipt. Return top two signed copies to: 213 E High Street, Bellefonte PA 16823. The copy you do not send back is your license. You can still shrink it down (between 60% and 65% seem to give the best results). What you will need to send in: 1. A photo copy of a license to carry a firearm (concealed carry permit) from your home state if that state has a concealed carry law. 2. A photo copy of your Driver's License. 3. A self addressed stamped envelope. 4. $26.00 fee for five year license and out of state processing. (Check/money order made out to Centre County Sheriff.) 5. Your application. Note: do not send in a passport photo like I did they will just send it right back (i just wanted my pic on the license). Valid for: 5 years Total average turnaround time: 7 business days (PA law allows for up to 45 days) States that honor PA NON RES permits: MT, ND, SD, ID, WY, UT, AZ, AK, TX, OK, AR, LA, MO, GA, TN, NC, KY, VA, WV, IN, VT. Places Still off limits: Taken from PAFOA.org 1. Court Facilities - PA Title 18, Chapter 9, Subsection 913 2a.*Grounds and buildings of Elementary and Secondary schools(K-12 grades), whether the school is private or public. There is an affirmative defense for "other lawful purposes" however there is no case law determining on what that includes. To be safe, its wiser to assume it does not include our carrying "rights". - PA Title 18, Chapter 9, Subsection 912 2b. Within 1000ft of a school unless you have a license/permit issued by the state in which the school is located - US Title 18, Part I, Chapter 44, Subsection 922(q) 3. Casinos - by regulation Title 18, Part VII, Chapter 465, Subsection 465a.13 4. Certain Department of State buildings - by regulation 5. Places off-limits by Federal Law or regulation, IE: military installations(exceptions for hunting at some bases), Federal Government buildings, after the security check point in airports, federal parks and reserves,etc****. 6. Any private property where a landowner, tenant or person so authorized to maintain property has asked you to leave because you are carrying, or where the property owner or tenant has placed signs or placards denoting that guns are forbidden - Title 18, Chapter 35, Subsection 3503 7. **Detention facilities, correctional institutes, or mental hospitals - Title 18, Chapter 51, Subsection 5122 (READ FIRST: Where you CAN and CANNOT Carry weapons in the State of Pennsylvania) Off-limits places apply just the same for open as they do concealed. State Parks require the carrier to conceal and to be licensed. *Colleges are not prohibited by law, however the college could levy their own infractions like expelling the person or other civil punishments. **It is unresolved to whether this is actually off-limits to carrying lawfully, or to whether it prohibits the introduction of a weapon within such places. This is a cautionary listing, mind it at YOUR discretion. ****The Federal Parks and Reserves are off-limits again due to a court ordered injunction. They will be legal again in early 2010 by law. Misc. Websites: PAFOA.org Handgunlaw.us PA paopencarry.org/ PA Attorney General Reciprocity Agreements FL Non Resident – Concealed Weapon or Firearm License Requirements: Fill this out and it will tell you if you meet the requirements. You do NOT need a permit in your home state to apply for a permit in FL. Training is required (See Application Question 6 for all acceptable forms). Application Process: 1. Go to the FL dept of Agriculture and Lic. and either have them send you an application or download it. It is recommended that you have them send you an application because everything comes in a neat packet and it’s free. Just click on the first box and hit continue order, enter your address and it comes within one week. Note: if you decide to download the application you have to check the second box and have them send you a fingerprint card. 2. Fill out the application. Get it notarized. Any notary is fine. 3. Get your fingerprints taken. There are two options here. You can either have your fingerprints taken in NY on the card ($42) or you can travel to Florida and have your fingerprints scanned there (free). Note: if you go to florida and have your fingerprints taken online and they are rejected you have to either go back to Florida or send in a fingerprint card. Also because you are having your prints taken in NY with a NY agency follow the instructions carefully. The agency (police or sheriff department) which you get your fingerprints taken should not fill out the address part on the front of the card. Tell them to flip the card over and write their address on the back in the right top corner of the card. However, the officer who takes your fingerprints still signs the front of the card and puts his shield number on it. Show them the application instructions if they give you shit and that usually stops all questions. 4. Get the required training documentation. FL requires training in order to obtain a concealed carry license. See question 6 in the application packet for all accepted forms. What you will need to send in: 1. 1 photograph taken within 30 days. Write your name and DOB on the back in felt pen. 2. Copies of the training documents listed above. 3. A check for $117 (if you are using the fingerprint card). Or $75 if your prints were taken in FL using online scan. 4. Fingerprint Card (if not using the online method) 5. Your application Valid for: 7 years. Total average turnaround time: 60-90 days (FL law allows for up to 90 days) States that honor FL NON RES permits: Alabama (1,3,5) Alaska (1) Arizona (6) Arkansas (1) Delaware Georgia (1) Idaho (3,6) Indiana (1,3,6) Kansas (1) Kentucky Louisiana (1) Mississippi (1) Missouri Montana (3) Nebraska (1) New Mexico (1) North Carolina (1) North Dakota (3,6) Ohio (1) Oklahoma (1) Pennsylvania (1,6) South Dakota (1,3) Tennessee (1,6) Texas (1,3,6) Utah (1,6) Vermont Virginia (1,6) West Virginia (1) Wyoming (1,3) (1) While Florida's law allows licensees to carry stun guns, knives, and billy clubs in a concealed fashion, the laws in these states allow for concealed carry of handguns or pistols ONLY, NOT WEAPONS IN GENERAL. Florida license holders are prohibited from carrying other types of weapons while in these states. (3) Individuals qualify for concealed weapon licenses in these states upon reaching 18 years of age. HOWEVER, any licensee of these reciprocity states who is not 21 years of age or older IS PROHIBITED from carrying a concealed weapon or firearm in Florida. (5) The Attorney General's Office of the State of ALABAMA has indicated that Alabama will honor BOTH resident and non-resident Florida licenses. However, the Alabama Attorney General notes that there is some uncertainty as to the limits of Alabama's reciprocity law as it pertains to non-resident licenses. Pending clarification by the Alabama Legislature or a decision by an Alabama court, he urges non-resident Florida license holders to exercise caution. Refer to the Alabama AG's Web page for the latest information. (6) These states issue concealed carry licenses to qualified individuals who are non-residents. These non-resident permits cannot be honored under Florida's reciprocity provision. See here for more info. Places Still off limits: Misc. Websites: FL Dept of Agric. and Lic. UTAH Non Resident – Concealed Firearm Permit Requirements: Must be 21 years old. Weapon Familiarity Certification (“training”) is required by a UTAH certified instructor (this is not like FL where any instructor will do). So even if you have lots of training it does no good unless the instructor is a UTAH certified instructor. Local Training Options: (1) MDTS - Chris Fry at MDTS holds a Utah training course. See here for more information. “When you arrive, you are handed a packet with all of the information needed and guided along through filling it out. You are also finger printed and photographed at the course. To put it simply, all you have to do is show up, sit through the course and slap a stamp on the envelope you are given.” Courtesy of notarpole. (2) Rochester Personal Defense, LLC - RPD, LLC holds a Utah training course in the "Central NY, Western NY, and the Southern Tier of NY." See here for more information. "We provide the prints, photos, notary, and even the pre-addressed envelope at no additional cost to the attendee." Courtesy of RochPersDef. Cost between $80 and $95. (3)Safety Concepts LLC – See here for more information on dates. Cost $100. ETA: it seems the Safety Concepts website is down for now. I will correct this when I get a new website. Application Process: 1. Go to Utah BCI and download the application. 2. Get a fingerprint card from UTAH BCI (801)965-4445 or your local BCI (or sheriff’s office / police station). 3. Fill out the application. Get it notarized. Any notary is fine. 4. Get the required training documentation. 5. Attach all the documents listed below and send in the application What you will need to send in: 1. 1 passport sized photograph (must be in color). Write your name on the back. 2. Fingerprint Card 3. Photocopy of your Drivers License. 4. A check for $65.25. You do not need a check if you are paying by credit card. See the bottom of the application if you want to pay with a credit card. 5. Your application Valid for: 5 years Total average turnaround time: ? business days (Utah law allows for up to 60 days) States that honor UTAH NON RES permits: AK, AL, AR, AZ, DE, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, MN, MO, MS, MT, NC, ND, NE, NM, OH, OK, PA, SD, TN, TX, VA, VT, WA, WY. See here for more info. Note this page does not clearly show which states require the Utah permit holder to be a resident. Places Still off limits: Misc. Websites: Utah BCI Concealed Weapons Page CT Non Resident – Concealed Firearm Permit Requirements: 1. Must be 21 years old. 2. You must take a Firearms Safety Course for pistols. The course specifically listed on the application is the NRA Basic Pistol Course. The alternative is a course that is equivalent to the NRA Basic Pistol Course and consists of no less than 10hrs and 50rds of live fire. See the application for more instructions if you don’t want to take the NRA Basic Pistol. Also Note: The NRA's "Home Firearms Safety Course" and "First Steps Pistol Orientation Program" are not approved courses. 3. You must possess a permit or license to carry a pistol in ANY state. Note: the application requires you to possess a permit to carry in any state “which meets or exceeds the requirements of Conn. Statute.” I have personally called the DPS and they told me all you need is a carry permit in any state. I tried to explain the NY restrictions (target/hunting/sportsman/etc) and they said as long as it’s a carry permit your good to go. I sent all the permits I have just to be safe. 4. Any further questions speak to Rose at 860-685-8123. She handles all out of state permits for CT and she is a very nice woman to deal with. Application Process: 1. Call (860)685-8290. When asked dial 1 then 2. Ask them to send you an application. 2. Fill out the little white application card (DPS 46-C). 3. Fill out the yellow application (DPS 799-C). Get it notarized. 4. Fill out the Photograph Form (DPS 129-C) and attach a passport size photograph. Get it notarized. 5. Fill out the Authorization for Release of Personal Information (optional). Get it notarized. 6. Get the required training documentation. 7. Get your fingerprints taken on the TWO cards. One state and one federal card is needed. 8. Attach all the documents listed below and send in the application What you will need to send in: 1. A copy of your existing license to carry permit(s). 2. Two Fingerprint Cards 3. Two Checks – one for $19.25 and the other for $70.00 (both payable to the Department of Public Safety). The application says the check for $19.25 must be in the form of a cashier’s check or a money order. 4. A copy of Proof of Citizenship (passport, birth certification, or voter registration card). 5. A copy of your Certificate of Training for your training course. 5. All the forms listed above. (DPS 46-C) (DPS 799-C) (DPS 129-C) (Authorization form) Valid for: 5 years Total average turnaround time: ? business days (CT law allows for up to 8 weeks) States that honor CT NON RES permits: Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont. Places Still off limits: Misc. Websites: |
| You may want to look into a Utah non resident permit. It is valid in 30 something states I believe. I'm mobile right now so I don't have the info, but it is the best permit you can get. MDTS hosts permit classes for this permit, its on their website if you want more info. |
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The Utah CCW permit is valid in the following states: AK*, AL, AR, AZ, CO, DE, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, MI, MN, MO, MS, MT, NC, ND, NE, NH, NM, OH, OK, PA, SD, TN, TX, VA,
VT*, WA, WV, WY. The states with the "*" next to them do not require any permit to conceal carry. There is a $65.25 fee for the processing of the permit and you must send a completed finger print card with your application. The application can be found here: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/documents/ccwapp_004.pdf The trick is that you need to have completed a safety course provided by a UTAH certified instructor. I did mine through Chris Fry at MDTS because everything was covered in his course. When you arrive, you are handed a packet with all of the information needed and guided along through filling it out. You are also finger printed and photographed at the course . To put it simply, all you have to do is show up, sit through the course and slap a stamp on the envelope you are given. It really doesn't get any easier than that, and the Utah permit is by far the best one to have. I believe the wait time is around 3 months, maybe a little less. |
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Quoted: The Utah CCW permit is valid in the following states: AK*, AL, AR, AZ, CO, DE, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, MI, MN, MO, MS, MT, NC, ND, NE, NH, NM, OH, OK, PA, SD, TN, TX, VA, VT*, WA, WV, WY. AFAIK you cannot carry in CO, FL, MI or NH with ANY non-resident issued CCW. IMO FL is the more useful CCW as the only additional states UT gives you is MN/WA and you lose FL and KS. The FL CCW is also good for 7 years vs. 5 years for the UT and the FL CCW does not require the special UT CCW class. |
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FL Non Resident – Concealed Weapon or Firearm License States that honor FL NON RES permits: Alabama (1,3,5) Alaska (1) Arizona (6) Arkansas (1) Delaware Georgia (1) Idaho (3,6) Indiana (1,3,6) Kansas (1) Kentucky Louisiana (1) Mississippi (1) Missouri Montana (3) Nebraska (1) New Mexico (1) North Carolina (1) North Dakota (3,6) Ohio (1) Oklahoma (1) Pennsylvania (1,6) South Dakota (1,3) Tennessee (1,6) Texas (1,3,6) Utah (1,6) Vermont Virginia (1,6) West Virginia (1) Wyoming (1,3) AFAIK NE no longer has reciprocity with FL. AFAIK you cannot carry in NE with either a resident or non-resident FL issued CCW. has florida not updated their site yet...because this was taken from the FL website about two days ago. Can you point me to info regarding this and I will change it above? I will add Utah to the list asap |
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Quoted: has florida not updated their site yet...because this was taken from the FL website about two days ago. Can you point me to info regarding this and I will change it above? Good catch! NE just added FL to the list of states that they honor. http://www.ago.ne.gov/media/Recognition_of_State_Concealed_Handgun_Permits.pdf http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html "This list was last updated on September 4, 2009, when the State of NEBRASKA was added to the reciprocity list. " |
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has florida not updated their site yet...because this was taken from the FL website about two days ago. Can you point me to info regarding this and I will change it above? Good catch! NE just added FL to the list of states that they honor. http://www.ago.ne.gov/media/Recognition_of_State_Concealed_Handgun_Permits.pdf http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html "This list was last updated on September 4, 2009, when the State of NEBRASKA was added to the reciprocity list. " By the way that letter is BS...NY doesnt have standards that are equivalent or higher than NE....bunch of crap. There should be a section "No reciprocity because state doesnt recognize our permits" |
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Quoted: By the way that letter is BS...NY doesnt have standards that are equivalent or higher than NE....bunch of crap. There should be a section "No reciprocity because state doesnt recognize our permits" I think the issue NE has is that NY does not meet the NE training standard. |
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For NH...
Download the Application for Non-resident pistol/revolver license here: http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/nhsp/ssb/permitslicensing/documents/dssp260.pdf Fill it out, include the information required in the instructions (copy of drivers license, home state permit) Mail it along with a check to: NH State Police Permits and License Unit 33 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03305 My permit showed up in about 2-3 weeks. It's good for 4 years. That was about a year ago though. It costs ~$100 now too. |
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Just got my Utah permit today. Mailed it 7/2, so turn around time is just over 60 days. FWIW I used a cedit card for the fees, its quicker and allows you to see that they actually received it and have processed the permit. Thanks for putting this thread together!
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I just sent my stuff in for PA. How long does it usually take? Do they call the refs? it says it above...."Total average turnaround time: 7 business days (PA law allows for up to 45 days) ". It usually takes one week from the time you send it in to the time you recieve your copy to sign. The only reason it takes this long is because traveling through the mail takes a long time. If you want to speed it up you can send your application via overnight mail. That will shave off 2-3 days but will cost you a shitload. Centre County (Sheriff' Nau's staff) is very efficient and does not let the application sit on someones desk. As long as you follow the directions above you should recieve it in no time... |
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I just received my PA permit from Centre county. I am going to mail the top two signed sheets back to them, Do I need to include a self adressed stamp envelope again or is this the permit itself? I was hoping for one that was laminated. That is your permit (the white copy)...so no self addressed envelope needed at this step. As stated above: While all the copies are together SIGN LINE 17 and mail the two back copies (red and yellow copies) back to the Sheriff's Office. As far as i know you are allowed to shrink the white copy down and laminate it as long as everything is legible. I went to staples (or whatever) and shrank it down to about 65% then cut it out into a business card size had them laminate it. But no matter what you do keep the original someplace safe. Edit: i also edited above to make it a little more clear. and congrats on recieving your permit. |
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I was a little confused because I didn't have red and yellow copies just four white cards all the same size. Thanks for the info and I will look to get it laminated. Did you send your permit to Centre County? My friend just got his from PA last month and it was the same carbon copy system as when I did it (top white, second and third ones were different colors i believe yellow and red). Are you saying that it has changed now? |
? | I had mine back in 7 days. I was going to visit some gun stores in PA but they are not very friendly over there. Very paranoid bunch. They said they wouldn't recommend any gun stores for me because NY's Gov blames PA for all the illegal guns. All I was doing was asking about which gun stores were good not about buying illegal weapons from some guy in a dark alley. |
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so if i have a sportsman class NY license, i apply for and get a PA full carry? Yes. I have a restricted NY ("sportsman") license and I applied with no problems. It seems at one point there was some confusion within the centre county sheriff's office and they were denying restricted licenses. However, they straightened it out and as far as i am aware they are now granting PA licenses if you have a NY restricted license. NOTE: However, you must have a NY carry permit and not a NY premise permit. |
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Quoted: so if i have a sportsman class NY license, i apply for and get a PA full carry? You have a carry concealed pistol license that is administratively restricted by your anti-gun licensing officer. There is no such thing as a "sportsman class pistol license" in the state licensing law. The answer to your question is yes. http://www.co.centre.pa.us/sheriff/license_application.asp |
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Rochester Personal Defense, LLC (www.safeinrochester.com) also offer the class in Central NY, Western NY, and the Southern Tier of NY as well. We have successfully processed over 1800 applicants for their permit and from the feedback we've been getting from both attendees and Utah, we've been right on the mark for the curriculum and training. We provide the prints, photos, notary, and even the pre addressed envelope at no additional cost to the attendee. Our staff FBI Certified fingerprint tech is at every session to ensure that your prints are done reliably and properly.
The link to the course can be found here: http://www.safeinrochester.com/courses.php?id=14 We continuously set classes - by request- all over NY State. Watch the schedule and we'll see you at one of the sessions! Dave |
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Big change coming for the Penn. permits. Starting next year they cannot be applied for through the mail. You will have to appear in person. Not sure about renewals.
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/1777462.html |
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Big change coming for the Penn. permits. Starting next year they cannot be applied for through the mail. You will have to appear in person. Not sure about renewals. http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/1777462.html Thanks for the article. AFIAK this change does not take affect until March 2011. I think the article you posted states that info. Until an official policy change I will not change the information above because it still reflects current policy. I have not heard any info about how this will effect renewals or how this effects currently issued licenses. Tahawus if you find info please let me know. But Tahawus has warned you....get your permit in now before they switch to a new system. |
I wish everything ws as easy as getting my PA CCW was. The CENTRE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE is to be commended. 
Decided to get my PA license -even though my UT license is good there- because you never know when you might encounter a LEO who is not informed that they are accepted in PA. Filled the application and sent it in on a Monday and had it back by the next Monday.........even though I forgot to put a stamp on my self addressed stamped envelope. 
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I sent the FL app out 11/24/09.
Got a letter on 12/14/09 that my training cert had no signature, and I'd have 30 days to fix that. I sent a letter back around 1/28/10 that my First Steps has no place for a signature and that I could not get it done since the instructor had no way of signing it now, and asking for guidance. Also, I was hoping i had 30 business days! I also gave them the instructors phone number and told them he'd be happy to talk to them if need be. I don't know if they called, but I got my permit in the mail on 2/26/10. Also sent out PA last week, just got it now. awesome. |
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The Utah CCW permit is valid in the following states: AK*, AL, AR, AZ,CO, DE, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, MI, MN, MO, MS, MT, NC, ND, NE, NH, NM,OH, OK, PA, SD, TN, TX, VA, VT*, WA, WV, WY. AFAIK you cannot carry in CO, FL, MI or NH with ANY non-resident issued CCW. IMO FL is the more useful CCW as the only additional states UT gives you is MN/WA and you lose FL and KS. The FL CCW is also good for 7 years vs. 5 years for the UT and the FL CCW does not require the special UT CCW class. SC also denies reciprocity to non-resident permits. Effectively NV does as well, since they removed reciprocity with any state that will issue to non residents. As an update, FL license now has reciprocity in WA. The differences for non residents are... Utah gives you MN that Florida lacks, Florida gives you FL and KS that Utah lacks. FL is more expensive but accepts a wide variety of training, versus UT which requires the specified training from a UT certified instructor. Really need FL to get Nevada reciprocity back
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The Utah CCW permit is valid in the following states: AK*, AL, AR, AZ,CO, DE, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, MI, MN, MO, MS, MT, NC, ND, NE, NH, NM,OH, OK, PA, SD, TN, TX, VA, VT*, WA, WV, WY. AFAIK you cannot carry in CO, FL, MI or NH with ANY non-resident issued CCW. IMO FL is the more useful CCW as the only additional states UT gives you is MN/WA and you lose FL and KS. The FL CCW is also good for 7 years vs. 5 years for the UT and the FL CCW does not require the special UT CCW class. SC also denies reciprocity to non-resident permits. Effectively NV does as well, since they removed reciprocity with any state that will issue to non residents. As an update, FL license now has reciprocity in WA. The differences for non residents are... Utah gives you MN that Florida lacks, Florida gives you FL and KS that Utah lacks. FL is more expensive but accepts a wide variety of training, versus UT which requires the specified training from a UT certified instructor. Really need FL to get Nevada reciprocity back And the FL one is good for 7 years. Probably worthwhile challenging Westchester county`s draconian target and hunting restriction based on FL`s willingness to issue full carry permits to non residents. It also ticks me off to think other NY counties issue full carry straight off which allows their permits holders to come into Westchester carrying while Westchester county residents are not afforded the same privilege. 
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Am I reading it correctly that a DD-214 satisfies Florida's training requirement? The application page 4 states: "Other acceptable forms of training documentation include the following: (1) documentary evidence of experience with a firearm obtained through participation in organized shooting competition; (2) active-duty military personnel may submit copies of any of the following documents that confirm your experience with a firearm gained during your service: military orders including call to active-duty letter; a statement of military service signed by, or at the direction of, the adjutant, personnel officer, or commander of your unit or higher headquarters which identifies you and provides your date of entry on your current active-duty period; (3) former military personnel can submit a DD Form 214 reflecting honorable discharge from military service. SO i guess your good to go. Remember FL is very understanding state with regards to pistol applications. When I applied I only used the sheriff safety class my county made me take when obtaining my pistol permit (no live fire) and a Small Arms Firing School certificate (issued by CMP). No questions asked. |
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I went to one of the regional offices in Florida this weekend. I made an appointment, showed up exactly on time and was in and out of there in under 15 minutes. They have the application on a computer that you fill out, then the bureaucrat checks it over, they fingerprint & photograph you and you're done, after giving them the $117. She told me I should have my permit in 2 weeks and the only reason it is taking so long is because of all the holidays coming up.  It took longer than a year and a half for Erie county to give me my permit.  |