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9/24/2010 10:20:02 AM EDT
I normally add wax and a few other things to my fine walnut media to help with cleaning polishing. My results have always been pretty good.

My wife tumbles stones and she also adds plastic 6mm airsoft BB's to her media to help take up space and to help her media work better.

I was needing to replace the walnut media because of a mishap. I didn't have enough to completely cover the batch of brass I was working on so I decided to add the same plastic airsoft BB's like my wife does for her tumbling needs. I have never tried adding the BB's to the walnut media before but I figured I would give it a try. I ran some 223 cases then some 45 ACP cases.

I let both batches run for about the same time that I normally would but this time I was greeted with very bright and very smooth brass. Brighter and more polished than when I use actual polish in the media. Doing it with the plastic BB's even seemed to clean the inside of 45 ACP cases better than walnut media alone. They came out comparable to polishing in corn cob media. This can either result in quicker polishing or better than just using walnut media.

Not really sure why the plastic BB's work but they definitely do or at least they did for me.

Dolomite
9/24/2010 10:49:40 AM EDT
[#1]
I may try that, seems like I seen something on the show "How It's Made", and they used something similar to polish whatever it was they were making.
9/24/2010 11:33:46 AM EDT
[#2]
Worth a try, thanks for the tip...Ed
9/24/2010 11:50:30 AM EDT
[#3]
tagged for results
9/24/2010 11:52:18 AM EDT
[#4]
I wonder if brand matters, what brand did you use, if you know?  Some may be made of different compounds.
9/24/2010 12:23:39 PM EDT
[#5]
Just some clear green plastic 6mm airsoft BB's. Not sure I mentioned it before but the results were without any type of wax or any other additive. Just fine walnut media and the plastic. I am in the process of doing another batch to confirm the results.

The only problem I see is with brass in the .243 to probably .270 range (depending on media size) getting the BB's lodged inside the cases. With 223 they would sit on the case mouth but were easily pulled lose.

To give you an idea they are getting as clean as using Lemishine.

Dolomite
9/24/2010 12:33:34 PM EDT
[#6]
Interesting.



I've got some laying around here somewhere and I only load .45.



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9/24/2010 12:51:51 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Interesting.

I've got some laying around here somewhere and I only load .45.

Tag for results.

Thanks, the more people who try it the better results we get. My media is fine enough that it falls thru the flash hole.

Dolomite



9/24/2010 1:07:23 PM EDT
[#8]
interesting ...thanks!
9/24/2010 1:23:35 PM EDT
[#9]
I'd like to try. Only problem I see is not coming out of my media separator.
9/24/2010 2:36:37 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
I'd like to try. Only problem I see is not coming out of my media separator.


I have a Lyman 1200 tumbler and the BB's drop thru the screened lid with the rest of the media. Not sure what kind of separator you have but if the holes are bigger then 6mm/.24 then you should be fine.

Dolomite
9/24/2010 7:54:10 PM EDT
[#11]
Thanks for the tip. It's amazing the simple "discoveries" that are not widely known.

jonblack

9/24/2010 8:47:20 PM EDT
[#12]
I may try as well...
9/24/2010 8:49:47 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd like to try. Only problem I see is not coming out of my media separator.


I have a Lyman 1200 tumbler and the BB's drop thru the screened lid with the rest of the media. Not sure what kind of separator you have but if the holes are bigger then 6mm/.24 then you should be fine.

Dolomite


I use a 5 gallon bucket with holes drilled in the bottom.  For lemie-shine soak and media seperator.  Price was right.
9/24/2010 9:42:18 PM EDT
[#14]
Hmmm I like the idea. Just poured some in and will check it out. My BB fall through my separator as well.
9/26/2010 2:17:08 PM EDT
[#15]
Any updates on what others are finding?

Dolomite
10/3/2010 5:41:34 PM EDT
[#16]
Well just did a batch. It works!
The brass comes out cleaner and nice and smooth. Will update back whether it keeps the media cleaner as Ive only done one batch.
10/3/2010 6:41:52 PM EDT
[#17]
killin me over here, who's got some pics?

ETA - are these BBs something that can be purchased at walmart?
10/3/2010 6:45:18 PM EDT
[#18]
Hmmm...     sounds like something I could try.



Tag for pics.
10/4/2010 12:36:31 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
killin me over here, who's got some pics?

ETA - are these BBs something that can be purchased at walmart?


Yeah, BB's for airsoft guns. I think my son bought a 5K pail for around $10.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=airsoft+bb's&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=4687715648283014507&ei=15GpTMzbFcX7lwfokLDGDQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=image&resnum=4&ved=0CC8Q8gIwAw#

Dolomite
10/4/2010 3:46:31 AM EDT
[#20]
I ran a batch last night and it seemed to clean in 2hrs what would have taken 3hrs normally.

Unfortunately, my media is also getting rather dirty, so It'll have to be changed. I'll have to see if I can keep the BB's somehow.

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10/4/2010 8:00:09 AM EDT
[#21]
I bought a 18K BB(red BB's) jug of Swiss Arms BB's the other day and added some to some new corn cob that I didn't have enough of  and it had no polish added yet and the results where very good, going to add some to my walnut tumbler and see if it helps there also.

I got the 6mm .12g BB's but wounder if the 6mm .20g BB's would work better since they are a little harder and smoother(they are for longer range shooting with Air Soft rifles)?
10/4/2010 8:33:03 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
The only problem I see is with brass in the .243 to probably .270 range (depending on media size) getting the BB's lodged inside the cases. With 223 they would sit on the case mouth but were easily pulled lose.


-do the BBs break down or get smaller in diameter over time?  I would not want one to get loodged inside a 223 case - which can't happen at a full 6mm diameter (they would have to wear down to at least 5.56MM)
10/4/2010 9:00:35 AM EDT
[#23]
I doubt they will wear down any, they may get very smooth but I doubt the loose any real diameter to speak of.

The harder heavier .20g BB's would probably work best, I got a sample pack with my jug of .12g BB's and the heavier one still tumble very well but don't just ride the top of the media when they surface they kinda work back down into the media on there way back down kinda like the brass does and when I done a drop check on them they only bounce half as high and half as long as the lighter .12g BB did, not sure what that means except it's heavier but I think it's also made of a harder materiel, I will get a small 1-2K bottle of them to try in one of my tumblers and see if I can tell a difference between the two as far as cleaning the brass.
10/4/2010 4:42:53 PM EDT
[#24]
Sounds like this works but does anyone have any theory as to why?
10/4/2010 5:10:05 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
Sounds like this works but does anyone have any theory as to why?


I think that maybe the extra weight of the bb pushes or grinds the media into the brass harder than just the media itself. This helps with the cleaning action while at the same time the plastic smooths over the microscopic "working" of the brass.

As I said it is amazing that it comes out smoother than just media alone, not sure why it works but it does. I have since done at least 500 more pieces of 45 brass and all come out better than media alone. I might give it a try with some of my usual additives to see what happens but I am going to wait until I buy more media.

Luckily my local pet store has some very fine walnut media. It is almost as fine as sand and actually falls thru the flash hole. It is also very cheap at about $12 for 10 pounds.

Dolomite
10/4/2010 5:46:02 PM EDT
[#26]
Sounds interesting and something that I should try - thanks for sharing!
10/4/2010 8:11:29 PM EDT
[#27]
I got 2K of the .20g BB's to try but don't have any brass to tumble
10/4/2010 11:06:58 PM EDT
[#28]
Think this would work in a vibratory tumbler?  And how about trying 100% BB's while tumbling?  Perhaps that's all you'd need!  
10/5/2010 2:17:59 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
Think this would work in a vibratory tumbler?  And how about trying 100% BB's while tumbling?  Perhaps that's all you'd need!  


I use a vibratory tumbler and see the results. Not sure about just bb's as they will not get into the corners.

Dolomite
10/5/2010 6:59:08 AM EDT
[#30]
I think all that are trying the BB's are using vibratory tumblers.

I fixing to dig some brass out of the scrap bucket just to tumble and see how they come out.
10/5/2010 7:29:29 AM EDT
[#31]
Food for thought.  It's about time to replace my corncob media, and I've considered various options.  Not only is my existing corncob dirty, but some of the particles are big enough that they lodge in the flash holes.  This means I must either go through my brass & poke an unfolded paper clip through each hole, or else take the chance of occasionally breaking a decapping pin.

Shinier would be better, for sure.  Steel media is an option, but a rather expensive one, and I am concerned that it would eventually wear through my plastic tumbler tub.

I'll have to check out local pet stores for ground walnut.  Airsoft "ammo" is cheap so it seems worth a try as well.
10/5/2010 8:57:46 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
Food for thought.  It's about time to replace my corncob media, and I've considered various options.  Not only is my existing corncob dirty, but some of the particles are big enough that they lodge in the flash holes.  This means I must either go through my brass & poke an unfolded paper clip through each hole, or else take the chance of occasionally breaking a decapping pin.

Shinier would be better, for sure.  Steel media is an option, but a rather expensive one, and I am concerned that it would eventually wear through my plastic tumbler tub.

I'll have to check out local pet stores for ground walnut.  Airsoft "ammo" is cheap so it seems worth a try as well.


The finest, as in size, walnut media I have found is Zilla Lizard Litter Desert Blend. Here is a list of online sellers that carry it. I bought mine locally at Pet Supplies Plus.

A 10 pound bag lasts forever as well.

Dolomite
10/5/2010 2:49:25 PM EDT
[#33]
You can order various mesh sizes of both walnut and corn cob media from Grainger. It comes in ~50 pound bags and is very cost effective.

jonblack
10/5/2010 2:50:32 PM EDT
[#34]
Anybody have pictures of the brass after having been cleaned with the airsoft BBs?

jonblack
10/5/2010 3:25:26 PM EDT
[#35]
It cleans the brass and does so really well. It also makes the brass about as smooth as when I used corn cob media.

It almost acts like it has the cleaning ability of walnut and the polishing ability of corn cob and it does it without any additives.

Dolomite
10/5/2010 6:33:04 PM EDT
[#36]
Well, I guess I will have to give it a try. I have a cement mixer in which I clean about 1,000 pieces of .223 at a time.

jonblack
10/6/2010 1:54:16 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Well, I guess I will have to give it a try. I have a cement mixer in which I clean about 1,000 pieces of .223 at a time.

jonblack


Let us know how it works. I have been using it in a vibratory tumbler and would be curious how it works.

Dolomite

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