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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - My DRACO w/ACE-CTR Stock (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 6/27/2010 7:41:16 AM EDT
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Just under 3 months for the stamp.
Previously mounted the Ultimak bottom rail (short version), the Ultimak standard gas tube rail (shortened mod) and the ACE AR grip adapter with modified MAID grip. Also a MI sling mount on the rail and a Krebs UNI mount I also added a notch in the safety lever to hold the bolt open. (nice for ranges and matches) I had an unused CTR/Buffer tube/Magpul ASAP sling plate and castle nut so I figured I try out the ACE Integrated AR15 stock mount. I've used the standard ACE folders in the past and while they worked fine, I wanted to try something a little different since I had the parts in the garage. For those who are going to use and ACE folding mount- The supplied bolts from ACE are 5mm/.80 TP. I used a tap and drill bit from ACE Hardware. Nothing fancy. I used a IRWIN 5mm-0.80 tap set with corresponding IRWIN #19 tap drill bit. I marked one hole and drilled it with the DRACO hanging in a vice(wood pads). The standard drill bit(not a bit for hardened steel) cut quickly with a cordless drill. Tapping the hole should be a 1/4 turn affair then back out- start over and with lots of oil. It took about 15 min per hole to tap. Go slow, too fast and you risk breaking the tap off in the hole.(Higher quality taps will resist this) Marking the second hole is much easier once the assembly is mounted temporarily. This mount is a one finger open/close and locks open very securely as all ACE mounts do. I'm a lefty and while the stock is folded I can use the pistol just like the stock is not there- it interferes none whatsoever. Some pics for comparison- M16 10.5 SBR and Draco SBR. Its basically the same length as a 10.5"AR SBR. It just weighs twice as much. 
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Um, Its expensive. Don't remind me. But its what I wanted, a SBR AK in 7.62.
Primary Arms has really good prices for Ultimak gear. Marshall is a good dude. A Krinkov would have been ideal, but finding one in 7.62 has been a pain and kit builds with rivets and presses were really out of reach for me. In the end though ,this was a fun build with something a little different. I hope to see more variations of the Draco SBR around here. Lots of different options nowadays, almost like building an AR. My Stock setup is about 2' longer than I'd like, I could lose 3/4" with the enhanced butt pad but its so cushy and nice I'll leave it on for now. As it is, it's a couple inches shorter than the classic triangle AK folder(like on a krinkov) Notice where the front latch would be on the receiver. |
I think I just wet myself 
OMG Dude, that is one awesome SBR. I've been tossing the idea around and put her on hold to get my 10.5 AR papered, but this is really cool! Dude, you have got to post this bad boy in the Class 3 section. Both in the SBR and the Other Than AR SBRs |
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I've never cared for AR stocks or railed HGs on AKs. They just don't look "right" to me.
In this case, I must say that you've changed my mind. That looks SO "RIGHT"! If going for a SBR this would be choice. I just can't justify the expense or the restriction in my case, but I do like that rifle. |
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Masterbeef,
Its the standard length gas tube cut down about an inch. Its not hard to do. If you look close at the pic with the stock folded, you can see I left the full length of the rail on the gas tube. I just cut off the lower portion of the front of the tube to get it to fit. The AMD will work fine but its about 3/8" too short for my liking. The gap will be at the rear or front depending on the way you mount it. The Krinkov version will be way too short. |
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Are you going to put a can on it? If I get one I would want to suppress it, but I have questions and I hope I've worded this question so it makes sense...  Is there a good chance the factory threaded barrel will be concentric with the bore on these Draco pistols?
Also, is the barrel threaded Left Hand 14 X 1M? Thanks 
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| mustangduckk here is the direct link to the Ultimak rail handguard. It's the one for Stamp receiver. |
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I was ready to try the MI rail set but this looks great!!
I emailed Marshall at Primary Arms and got this reply: "You will need the Ultimak M1-B, then you will need to cut it down to size. As for the bottom, if you have a stamped receiver then you will need the ACR2-SC. If you have a milled receiver then you will need the ACR2-MC." so we will need: Upper Rail-Ultimak M1B for the top and it wil need to be cut to size (I emailed the OP to see what his length is now after the modification) Lower Rail- ACR2-SC for a stamped Receiver (Draco) |
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Thanks to all.
Let's see, Add up the parts I listed and the stamp–– You do the math.
It weighs 8lbs with a full mag. Yes its heavy, 1 1/2 lb more than my 10.5 M16 SBR.
AK sights suck. And these are no exception. All I have really done is pop some plates and 20yds and 5 clays at 100yds. I have not tried to shoot groups yet and I'm sure I will be underwhelmed if I ever do. 
Some form of red dot is going up front for sure. Most likely a low LaRue mount and a T-1. Then it will be done. I have to say, this Draco (Classic Arms) has run 100% from day one. It has a canted rear sight block and some ugly rivets but I can live with that. |
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Saj,
Yes the cheekweld is a little high for the irons. I can use the irons but its a squish of the cheek thing. I can lower the mount about a half inch if I want but I'm going to a red dot soon so I'll leave it. But yes its totally possible to get the proper cheekweld with this setup. All ACE mounts are slotted so just get the holes in a place where you can get the range you want. Its not a difficult thing to do. I have a Norinco with a Mako mount/stock setup with an T-1 on it and I really like the way it feels so I just made this one the same height. I like to have a clear view through the T-1 (like the AR's) . With a lower stock height you can co witness the T-1 just fine. Cluttered up view with AK sights is just a not what I want with these rifles. For me, my AK's are fun, plinking and gaming rifles, not really SHTF or PD go to rifles. |
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I see there's a shorty vert grip on the SBR AR. a friend told me when you do that it now falls under AOW. I told him once it's SBR'ed it is no longer a pistol so a vert grip can be added to it. Am I correct? Can anyone confirm? Yep, SBR is short barreled Rifle, so a forward grip is now ok... |
Ok, to achieve the use of an AR stock like in the orig OP, is this what is used to bolt directly to the rear of the Draco receiver? It looks like it has a "nub" that would interfere with the rear of the receiver. :
Or is it the standard receiver block like this, .jpg)
but w/the following adapter too?: .jpg)
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Dude, you have inspired me. I got a DRACO about a year ago, shot 1 mag through it, put it in the safe and thought, I need to do something with that some day. I was not sure just what, till I saw your work. Looks like I will be adding to my stamp collection.
Great job, especially on your gas tube mod. Thanks for sharing gunfrog |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - My DRACO w/ACE-CTR Stock (Page 1 of 5)
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