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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Nightforce NXS 2.5-10 x 32 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/20/2010 3:40:08 PM EDT
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I'm considering a Nightforce NXS 2.5-10 x 32 for an ar and I'm trying to decide on a reticle. I do want to use the rifle for coyotes so I've heard the mil dot is a good choice for the running dogs. But I've heard that some of their reticles can get lost in some enviroments. The np-r2 was one I was also considering but I heard it might have that problem due to its thinness. The new velocity reticle is one I was interested in too. I'm thinking maybe the mil dot or the velocity reticle might do the job. Any opinions or suggestions would be great
Also I was thinking of by passing the zero stop feature. Didn't know if it was worth the extra cost |
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You shouldn't have an issue seeing any of them. The reticles are prominent enough, even the "thin" ones. Almost all of their scopes are SFP, so the reticle will stay the same size regardless of the magnification (so losing it at low/high power shouldn't be an issue either). If the background is too dark and there's the possibility that you'll lose the reticle against it (which is the only possible scenario where this might be a real concern), then you can always turn on the illumination. Isn't isn't daytime-bright, but it will glow red in full sunlight and willl be very visible against any dark background.
That said, the Velocity reticles might suit your need for coyote hunting. You might want to look them over. Pick what suits you best and have fun. |
The Velocity reticle is a well thought-out design. It's simple, yet effective. It combines useful features in an uncluttered view. One of the best features of the Velocity reticle is that the center of the reticle is the 50/200 yard zero (instead of 100 yards, like many other reticles.)
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Thanks for the replies above. Molon, is that reticle shot actually from your scope. I've been trying to get a look at a velocity reticle. They.. do seem very nice. Boy those scopes look very cool. It doesn't look like there would be any problems picking up that reticle. Anyone have any experiece with these
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The Velocity reticle is a well thought-out design. It's simple, yet effective. It combines useful features in an uncluttered view. One of the best features of the Velocity reticle is that the center of the reticle is the 50/200 yard zero (instead of 100 yards, like many other reticles.) http://www.box.net/shared/static/hiy7u2n7vv.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/kqu0sk43s3.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/mla3p170ls.jpg Dead on the money description.....mine has the LV velocity and i am still learning how to fully utilize it, but its great. 
eta...one of the better aspects for me on this LV ret. is having the holds and such marked but being one of the most non-cluttered ret. i have viewed. |
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The Velocity reticle is a well thought-out design. It's simple, yet effective. It combines useful features in an uncluttered view. One of the best features of the Velocity reticle is that the center of the reticle is the 50/200 yard zero (instead of 100 yards, like many other reticles.) http://www.box.net/shared/static/hiy7u2n7vv.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/kqu0sk43s3.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/mla3p170ls.jpg Dead on the money description.....mine has the LV velocity and i am still learning how to fully utilize it, but its great. http://i49.tinypic.com/n1xhdj.jpg eta...one of the better aspects for me on this LV ret. is having the holds and such marked but being one of the most non-cluttered ret. i have viewed. TRIDENT1982 How is that low velosity ret. working out for you. What are you shooting through your rifle. I'm trying to figure that out right now on their web sites. Nice looking rifles there guys to say the least. very nice |
I'd suggest the Mil-Dot reticle. I fail to understand how the "one size fits all" BDC style reticle is of any advantage. Unless you enjoy the phrases, "Almost got it." or "Dang it! So close!". 
Get the Mil-Dot and learn how to use it with your specific ammo from your specific gun. |
So what? None of them will match your load exactly, unless of course you customize the load of your rifle to specifically match the reticle. 
Nonetheless, the OP mentioned running coyotes. The NF velocity reticles will NOT work for moving targets. A Mil-Dot reticle will . . . . If only NF would have introduced the MLR reticle for the compact series. Now that would be great, and I'd be first in line for the conversion. BTW: I like your setup. I was thinking of going back to an A2 buttstock myself. The CTR I'm running just doesn't have as good a cheek-weld. 
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True the only draw back of the velocity ret. that I can see is moving targets. I just plugged in my load's specs into the NF velocity reticle online calculator. It recommends the medium velocity reticle for my rifle. That reticle will put my bullet just a bit over 3 inches low at 500 yards. No thanks. |
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The Velocity reticle is a well thought-out design. It's simple, yet effective. It combines useful features in an uncluttered view. One of the best features of the Velocity reticle is that the center of the reticle is the 50/200 yard zero (instead of 100 yards, like many other reticles.) http://www.box.net/shared/static/hiy7u2n7vv.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/kqu0sk43s3.jpg http://www.box.net/shared/static/mla3p170ls.jpg Dead on the money description.....mine has the LV velocity and i am still learning how to fully utilize it, but its great. http://i49.tinypic.com/n1xhdj.jpg eta...one of the better aspects for me on this LV ret. is having the holds and such marked but being one of the most non-cluttered ret. i have viewed. TRIDENT1982 How is that low velosity ret. working out for you. What are you shooting through your rifle. I'm trying to figure that out right now on their web sites. Nice looking rifles there guys to say the least. very nice Thanks, I used to be a mil-dot only thinker as far as higher powered glass goes, but the overall EASE in which my eye picks up the sight picture in conjunct with the mark/hashs is nothing like anything i have ever had or used....moreover once dialed in through it on target, the speed or maybe just cognitive recognition of picking up from the current sight picture i am on to say another one at 130 yds behind and to the right a little is awesome and as smooth as it gets from my eye's perspective. Clarity/F.O.V. are lights out imho, light transmission through the x 32....well, we all know NF  The low velocity ret. has grown on me every single day i owned the glass, and if you have the 200yd range and take the time to go and do the NF ballistic velocity ret. calculations for the particular rounds you are going to shoot its truly unique with all utility and no futility involved in the design. I have shot maybe 400 rds. of Hornady vmax 55gr. through it so far using the sight in distance from the NF website calc. page(results for that ammo were 208 yds @ 200 yd hash on the ret.).....and i also as of recent be getting more of the TAP 75 gr. and its sooo nasty on paper, so far its the most accurate round i have tried through the above stick i posted by a good bit.
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True the only draw back of the velocity ret. that I can see is moving targets. I just plugged in my load's specs into the NF velocity reticle online calculator. It recommends the medium velocity reticle for my rifle. That reticle will put my bullet just a bit over 3 inches low at 500 yards. No thanks. What load would that be......i thinking not .223/5.56, as of the vast majority are in the LV category. eta.....the daddy of all .223/5.56 factory loads imho, BH mk 262 calculations result in a perfect 200 yd zero on the 200 yd hash for the LV model. MK 262 NF calc. The results end in the LV being the best match for Hornady TAP 75gr.....TAP 75gr. NF calc. |
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True the only draw back of the velocity ret. that I can see is moving targets. I just plugged in my load's specs into the NF velocity reticle online calculator. It recommends the medium velocity reticle for my rifle. That reticle will put my bullet just a bit over 3 inches low at 500 yards. No thanks. My Velocity reticle is only off by 0.11 MOA for my load at 500 yards. 
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True the only draw back of the velocity ret. that I can see is moving targets. I just plugged in my load's specs into the NF velocity reticle online calculator. It recommends the medium velocity reticle for my rifle. That reticle will put my bullet just a bit over 3 inches low at 500 yards. No thanks. My Velocity reticle is only off by 0.11 MOA for my load at 500 yards.
We might be the only two dudes enjoying this lil secret ret......too many people will not even consider anything other than mil-dot, i might have been one as well but this was the model i happened to grab and now i have zero regrets and NF hopefully willnot be seeing this lil baby of theirs for a long time....so no reticule switch from this LV ret. owner. |
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Yet you think that your "1.4 mils" at 300 meters, or "3.7 mils" at 500 meters is "exact"? I can't seem to locate the 1.4 mildot or 3.7 mildot in your reticle. . .
It is "exact" when I dial for that distance on my elevation turret . . . My Mil-Dot only gets used for holding windage and moving targets. Where is the 20 mph wind hold on your velocity reticle? |
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True the only draw back of the velocity ret. that I can see is moving targets. I just plugged in my load's specs into the NF velocity reticle online calculator. It recommends the medium velocity reticle for my rifle. That reticle will put my bullet just a bit over 3 inches low at 500 yards. No thanks. My Velocity reticle is only off by 0.11 MOA for my load at 500 yards.
We might be the only two dudes enjoying this lil secret ret......too many people will not even consider anything other than mil-dot, i might have been one as well but this was the model i happened to grab and now i have zero regrets and NF hopefully willnot be seeing this lil baby of theirs for a long time....so no reticule switch from this LV ret. owner. I'm getting lv for amax 52 gr and hv for amax 75gr |
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True the only draw back of the velocity ret. that I can see is moving targets. I just plugged in my load's specs into the NF velocity reticle online calculator. It recommends the medium velocity reticle for my rifle. That reticle will put my bullet just a bit over 3 inches low at 500 yards. No thanks. What load would that be......i thinking not .223/5.56, as of the vast majority are in the LV category. It is a 77grain Berger @ 2700 fps. Why? Because that is what shoots the best from my rifle. |
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Yet you think that your "1.4 mils" at 300 meters, or "3.7 mils" at 500 meters is "exact"? I can't seem to locate the 1.4 mildot or 3.7 mildot in your reticle. . .
It is "exact" when I dial for that distance on my elevation turret . . . Too bad no one was was talking about "elevation turrets". Nothing like back-pedaling and changing the subject after you've been proven wrong. I really don't care which reticle you use. |
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Too bad no one was was talking about "elevation turrets". Nothing like back-pedaling and changing the subject after the fact. Oh for fuck's sake. A difference of opinion really brings out the best from ARFcom, doesn't it? I'm glad you're happy with your velocity reticle. It isn't for me. Have a nice day. |
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Do you need a reticle to estimate range or just shoot? NP-1 is a fine general purpose reticle, FC-2 for close-up work. Mil-Dot for precision shooting. Your needs, your choice.
If you think you'll be running at 8-10x most of the time, the 32mm objective diameter does effect the image/eye sensitivity. |
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Do you need a reticle to estimate range or just shoot? NP-1 is a fine general purpose reticle, FC-2 for close-up work. Mil-Dot for precision shooting. Your needs, your choice. If you think you'll be running at 8-10x most of the time, the 32mm objective diameter does effect the image/eye sensitivity. I don't have anything but general purpose reticles. I like the idea of the mil dot for moving targets but I must say the velocity ret. sound pretty cool. Sounds like some say the v rectile is fast. I'd like to hear how it does with a moving dog. Couldn't be any worst than my basic duplex scopes. Its a tuff call for me between the V and Mil dot |
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Too bad no one was was talking about "elevation turrets". Nothing like back-pedaling and changing the subject after the fact. Oh for fuck's sake. A difference of opinion really brings out the best from ARFcom, doesn't it? I'm glad you're happy with your velocity reticle. It isn't for me. Have a nice day. Ummm... you still tried to change the subject. He's right. |
| OK.....well any other happy customers using the V reticle. Especially if anyones been running around the hills with one. I just found out about them A few days back so this is all new to me. But obviously we have a few guys here that really like them. I definitely wantt to hear more about them with out a doubt |
| They are so brand new and the fact that the x 32 is also really new, i cannot imagine to many other folks having an opinion. When i got mine about 6 weeks or so ago i asked ard. and got zero feedback....just had to take that plunge, but with a company like NF behind it, its not a huge plunge. Always remember if you get one reticule and dislike for $140 or somewhere ard. that figure, NF will swap the reticule for your choice of new one. $140 beats the hell outta $1400! |
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I'm considering the LV reticle for a 2.5-10X32 and I was going to spring for the ZeroStop turrets as well. I do like capability. As well as custom turrets.
And this scope will be used with one of Victor's finest AN/PVS-22 Mil-Spec night visions weapon sights. (Yep, he told me he could now legally sell them to us lowly civilians, of course you might want to see how long that lasts!) But, still undecided on the final configuration for the Nightforce. The LV reticle will be useable my application, 77gr ammo from a 16" "match" 5.56 barrel, suppressed. The other two scopes I use at long range are the MR/T ILL M3 3-9 with TMR reticle/77gr turret and the NSX 3.5-15X50 with the NP-R2 reticle. So, if I do get a LV reticle, which turrets? MOA or MIL? Or, should I go Mil-Dot reticle with Mil turrets? Get with the program, you know. Or the familiar NP-R2 reticle with ZeroStop 1/4MOA turrets. |
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I'm considering the LV reticle for a 2.5-10X32 and I was going to spring for the ZeroStop turrets as well. I do like capability. As well as custom turrets. And this scope will be used with one of Victor's finest AN/PVS-22 Mil-Spec night visions weapon sights. (Yep, he told me he could now legally sell them to us lowly civilians, of course you might want to see how long that lasts!) But, still undecided on the final configuration for the Nightforce. The LV reticle will be useable my application, 77gr ammo from a 16" "match" 5.56 barrel, suppressed. The other two scopes I use at long range are the MR/T ILL M3 3-9 with TMR reticle/77gr turret and the NSX 3.5-15X50 with the NP-R2 reticle. So, if I do get a LV reticle, which turrets? MOA or MIL? Or, should I go Mil-Dot reticle with Mil turrets? Get with the program, you know. Or the familiar NP-R2 reticle with ZeroStop 1/4MOA turrets. Its beyond clear for me which one you should get.....based on the fact that you have as much nice glass in your closet as paris hilton has shoes in hers, i bet you have few optics w. mil-dot w. mil adjustments on them......how many optics in the closet do you have with a LV velocity reticule that is basically calibrated dead nuts on for your sick nasty accumulation MK 262(SECRET STASH)!!! As far as the z-stops or no z-stops.....very much a personal thing, only you can range the amount of actual adjustments you plan on making out in the field and/or on the range. |
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I'm considering the LV reticle for a 2.5-10X32 and I was going to spring for the ZeroStop turrets as well. I do like capability. As well as custom turrets. And this scope will be used with one of Victor's finest AN/PVS-22 Mil-Spec night visions weapon sights. (Yep, he told me he could now legally sell them to us lowly civilians, of course you might want to see how long that lasts!) But, still undecided on the final configuration for the Nightforce. The LV reticle will be useable my application, 77gr ammo from a 16" "match" 5.56 barrel, suppressed. The other two scopes I use at long range are the MR/T ILL M3 3-9 with TMR reticle/77gr turret and the NSX 3.5-15X50 with the NP-R2 reticle. So, if I do get a LV reticle, which turrets? MOA or MIL? Or, should I go Mil-Dot reticle with Mil turrets? Get with the program, you know. Or the familiar NP-R2 reticle with ZeroStop 1/4MOA turrets. Its beyond clear for me which one you should get.....based on the fact that you have as much nice glass in your closet as paris hilton has shoes in hers, i bet you have few optics w. mil-dot w. mil adjustments on them......how many optics in the closet do you have with a LV velocity reticule that is basically calibrated dead nuts on for your sick nasty accumulation MK 262(SECRET STASH)!!! As far as the z-stops or no z-stops.....very much a personal thing, only you can range the amount of actual adjustments you plan on making out in the field and/or on the range. Wow TRIDENT1982, you just about got me 100% sold on the LV ret.
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I said a reticule change was $140 earlier.....it's not, for the x32 or sfp model it is $250. Just wanted to clear that up, and i posted the .pdf link below to the service fill out form which has all the NF custom services listed.
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BTW: I like your setup. I was thinking of going back to an A2 buttstock myself. The CTR I'm running just doesn't have as good a cheek-weld. LMT SOPMOD ,,,, better than A2 Colt "CS" stock - Better then both 
Unless you really need a collapsible stock in which case get the Magpul UBR. |
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I was planning on calling you buddy when the winds got past 10 mph...being you are a true guru and all! Super useful info pal....nothing childish about it I'm sorry I've shaken your reticle belief system, but answer me this . . .am I wrong to ask these questions? The OP asked about reticle choice, and I believe the Mil-Dot to be the better choice for his application, especially with his moving target requirements. How is that being childish? Molon was right, holding for distances with the Mil-Dot is, at best, on par with the Velocity reticles. My point about dialing elevation did not apply. I apologize for changing the argument. I don't hold for distance, I dial. I was reminded however that some people like to hold for distance, especially with a 223. That said, the similarities between the Mil-Dot and the Velocity reticles end there; 1. Ability to hold for any wind speed? - Mil-Dot 2. Ability to lead moving targets? - Mil-Dot 3. Ability to use with any caliber and/or trajectory - Mil-Dot 4. Universal ranging system that can be applied to other mil-based reticles - Mil-Dot I've given your arguments consideration, but I just don't see the advantage of the Velocity reticles. They are too narrowed a specific round, at a specific distance, in specific environmental conditions. The only thing saving you is the fact that we're talking about presumably large targets at close ranges (less than 500 yards). A coyote is much smaller than a human-sized target. If you can't see my points, fair enough. You have a nice day also. |
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BH mk 262 calculations result in a perfect 200 yd zero on the 200 yd hash for the LV model. MK 262 NF calc. The results end in the LV being the best match for Hornady TAP 75gr.....TAP 75gr. NF calc. Trident what numbers are you using? I come up with a LV reticile when I click your link it shows HV? I'm using Tap 75gn out of 18". Weight: 75 Grn BC: .352 Vel: 2767 (Avg of 16-20") http://www.exbalapplications.com/NightForce/(S(url2wbzivdl0ynzeyhuxgyyt))/NfBalReticleForm.aspx I got the numbers from Molon: 
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I have been watching this thread for a couple of days, and have finally taken the time to reply.
I am mostly with Glock24 on this one, except for the fact that my brain works better in MOA than mil-rads, so both of my 2.5-10 NXS's have NP-R2 and MOA turrets. With either the mil-dot/mil-rad or NP-R2/MOA, one has the OPTION to either holdover OR dial-in for BOTH elevation AND windage with ANY ammo that has been properly DOPE'd. This is not to say that I am totally against BDC reticles, but my experience with ACOG's indicates that one is still holding over/under at some ranges....and ACOG's are parallax-corrected, whereas compact NXS's are not. Edwin, I think that you would like the zero-stops. I have one of each. The zero-stops are a bit of a PITA to zero, but once they are, they work well, particularly if you have POI offset with a can. |
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2.5x10x32 is parallax free at 125 yards and the x24 is at 100 yards. I went with the LaRue combo with MIL-DOT and .25 adj with zero stop. I'll be shooting different stuff so I did not want the Velocity reticles. Call and talk to the scope guy at LaRue he realy knows his stuff.
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BH mk 262 calculations result in a perfect 200 yd zero on the 200 yd hash for the LV model. MK 262 NF calc. The results end in the LV being the best match for Hornady TAP 75gr.....TAP 75gr. NF calc. Trident what numbers are you using? I come up with a LV reticile when I click your link it shows HV? I'm using Tap 75gn out of 18". Weight: 75 Grn BC: .352 Vel: 2767 (Avg of 16-20") http://www.exbalapplications.com/NightForce/(S(url2wbzivdl0ynzeyhuxgyyt))/NfBalReticleForm.aspx I got the numbers from Molon: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/Joshpictures/556_TAP_T2_trace_report.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v399/Joshpictures/tapmuzzlevelocities21.jpg It does that for some reason....right when i post the links, they show the right results then after awhile they are screwed up on the links. All you have to do is hit the middle button..."factory loads", then find your particular ammo and hit "return to main calc. page" or something close to that.......once your back on the main page w. the factory load selected hit ok......I have tried damn near all of them, with the results never being anything but the LV for a .223/5.56 load. One of the sexiest points to the LV ret. is for MK 262 lovers being that its dead on for this ammo when using the reticule sight in distance correctly. try this link.....just when the page comes up...find the "next" at bottom of screen and click it and you will be redirected to the MK 262 results. Mk 262 NF calc's: eta....this link is now no longer showing the proper results for the mk262 load so i guess folks will have to just start at the beg. of the process which isnt that difficult anyway. |
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It does that for some reason Oh got ya, it's doing that in my link to. I have to admit thats a snazzy reticile. I was looking at the 2.5-10x32 before now I can say it is way high on my list now. Well count JoshAR in the group who will not be getting any egg on their face Whether you get the glass in the "v" ret. or not, i think you are in the minority that has actually taken the time to actual see what its all about. I admit its kinda confusing and doesnt seem to fit among the "typical" tactical styled reticules but this reticule is clearly capable of tactical applications. It is intimidating at first to look at with the calculations or at least it was for me but once somebody is willing to learn the intricacies of the " V" reticule they will learn how unique it is and POTENTIALLY offers unrivaled EASE dialing in accuracy given you do the homework before the range visit
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I have been watching this thread for a couple of days, and have finally taken the time to reply. I am mostly with Glock24 on this one, except for the fact that my brain works better in MOA than mil-rads, so both of my 2.5-10 NXS's have NP-R2 and MOA turrets. With either the mil-dot/mil-rad or NP-R2/MOA, one has the OPTION to either holdover OR dial-in for BOTH elevation AND windage with ANY ammo that has been properly DOPE'd. This is not to say that I am totally against BDC reticles, but my experience with ACOG's indicates that one is still holding over/under at some ranges....and ACOG's are parallax-corrected, whereas compact NXS's are not. Edwin, I think that you would like the zero-stops. I have one of each. The zero-stops are a bit of a PITA to zero, but once they are, they work well, particularly if you have POI offset with a can. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one that is more comfortable with MOA, and given that the 5.56 envelope is relatively imited, the NP-R2 reticle with ZeroStop MOA turrets would probably be my choice. However, if I were to get the scope with no turrets, the LV reticle would be the best choice, at least for my application, which is 77/75gr ammo out of a 16-18". Then I could have my NSX 3.5-15X50 "upgraded" to ZeroStop MOA turrets. Where's Trident's link? I may just go with that option. |
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Figured out how you're gonna lead moving targets yet? Or shoot in a 15 mph wind? Probably something like I do with my basic tradition reticals. Obviously a mildot or np-r2 would work better on moving targets overall. But the v-ret. is still very interesting. If it only traveled to the range it might be a no brainer for me. I original had interest in the np-r2 but I heard some complain about losing the retical in thick brush areas due to thinness. But from what I've been hearing here, I don't think it's a concern for me any longer. Maybe I should be considering the mildot or np-r2 instead. Tuff call. |
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I have been watching this thread for a couple of days, and have finally taken the time to reply. I am mostly with Glock24 on this one, except for the fact that my brain works better in MOA than mil-rads, so both of my 2.5-10 NXS's have NP-R2 and MOA turrets. With either the mil-dot/mil-rad or NP-R2/MOA, one has the OPTION to either holdover OR dial-in for BOTH elevation AND windage with ANY ammo that has been properly DOPE'd. This is not to say that I am totally against BDC reticles, but my experience with ACOG's indicates that one is still holding over/under at some ranges....and ACOG's are parallax-corrected, whereas compact NXS's are not. Edwin, I think that you would like the zero-stops. I have one of each. The zero-stops are a bit of a PITA to zero, but once they are, they work well, particularly if you have POI offset with a can. So murderman, it sounds like your pretty happy with your np-r2's. No complaints? |
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