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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The OPERATOR barrels arrived this afternoon, PICS of course, Customers Build pics Added (Page 1 of 12)
Posted: 6/13/2005 3:44:16 AM EDT
UPDATE, 11/04 The Operator barrels are IN The test barrel came out perfect from chroming. Frank machined the F height front sight bases at CLE from forgings and are top quality. Each barrel will come with triangular front metal for those wishing to use standard Middy handguards and a barrel nut will be supplied. We parked one barrel tonite for me to assemble for test fire this weekendHere is where we stand on sold barrels as of today 11/04. Of the original 50 barrels being produced 44 are sold, some may drop out, who knows. But this initial run is getting short I will attempt to call everyone who has pre-ordered an OPERATOR next week and go over final cofiguration and specs for those wanting custom uppers. I have some accessories available that can be purchased with your barrel. Some of the items are Delta ring assembly complete, Rock River middy standard hand guards, MI middy rail systems that install on the regular Delta assembly, many types of other rail systems in stock from LaRue, Daniel Defense and Troy, etc, etc. This can all be gone over when I call you. Per many, many requests I am going to start the line. Read my post on page 6 to see how to pre-order your Middy 1:7 GTS barrel. I think what I have come up with will be fair and pretty error proof. Thanks for everyones support and interest in this top of the line barrel The OPERATORis a Dennys Guns/GTS exclusive. The barrel is a 16" Mid Length gas. The blanks are Rockcreek(Mike Rock). The barrel steel is Chrome Vanadium, full auto rated. These barrels are fully chrome lined, bore and chamber by US Chrome, who does Colt and most other top line tier one manufacturers barrels 1:7 twist. MP tested. Proprietary profile, mid weight with a slight taper from chamber to the gas block. Weight of barrel: 2.5 Lbs approx. M4 barrel extensions. F front sight, pinned. 5.56 NATO chamber. Barrels will be parked under the front sight base. Threaded 1/2X28(standard M16 thread) A2 flash hider included. Standard barrel nut will be installed. Delta assembly will not be included as many of you will be using rail systems and I don't want to add $$$ for parts you might not use. They will be available as an option. Same with the Middy gas tube. We are using nothing but the best here. 50 barrels in the first run just to test the waters. Looks at this point that the price wil be $325 and $5 shipping. Denny HOW TO ORDER AND GET IN THE LINE FOR THE 1st 50 BARRELS. THIS IS PASTED FROM PAGE 6 OF THIS THREAD. THANKS A MILLION GUYS!! Okay here is how I am going to do the line for these barrels. I am going to put them on the website under the heading. "Chrome lined 1:7 Barrel" Some may stumble over it by accident by it is for the good people on this site. Don't paypal for the barrel(s) but if you are ordering by Credit Card just proceed like a regular order and I will charge the card when I ship your barrel. The basic barrel will come with the F height taper pinned front sight and barrel nut. There will be an option to order with complete Delta ring assembly. Another option will be with a Gas Tube and roll pin and the third basic option will be with Delta Assembly and Gas Tube and roll pin. If you need something special just put it in the comments section of the order. Paypal is no longer a payment option due them dropping my account for being a vile gun dealer. By using the website the order will be established and the number of barrels can be monitored by me so they don't get over-sold. If the barrels sell out prior to their arrival I will put an out of stock notice on the barrels. This is the best plan I can come up with to keep track and be certain of the order in which requests to purchase these barrels were received. Thanks for all the interest and now we can proceed to get the line going. ON TO THE PICS  OPERATOR BARREL STRIPPED, WEIGHT 2LBS 3 OZ.  OPERATOR BARREL WITH FRONT SIGHT IN PLACE, WEIGHT 2LBS 7 OZ.  BARREL MARKING. THE DG IS DENNYS GUNS MARK FOR AUTHENTICITY  FRONT SIGHT 'F' MARKING  FACTORY M4 RAMPS, THEY MATCH UP PERFECT WITH OUR CMT UPPERS  THE UPPER I BUILT FOR TEST FIRE TONITE ON SCALE. INCLUDES DD 9.0 RAIL, CMT/STAG M16 BCG, CHARGING HANDLE AND ALL THE EXTERNAL COMPONENTS YOU SEE  THIS UPPER SET UP FOR TEST FIRE THIS WEEKEND ON ONE OF MY LOWERS  UnknownSailor1's Operator Build  ocmike's operator build  A96HondaAccordEx's Operator Build  GunDraw's Operator Build  dSmith45's build  Alfa-Romeo3's Build  Mr-D's Build  One of Mr-D's groups, pretty damn good shootin' with irons and a Chrome Lined Barrel  mlm1219's Build  A HUGE THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE KEPT FAITH THRU THIS PROJECT AND SHOWN A GREAT DEAL OF PATIENCE. A first run of anything takes longer and we did not want any error right out of the gate. The OPERATORS are beautiful and made from the finest components currently available. The next batch will not take this long as the learning curve is over. THANKS AGAIN TO ONE AND ALL AND I WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH EVERYONE WHO ORDRED NEXT WEEK. WE STILL NEED TO PARKERIZE THESE BARRELS AND ROUND UP A FEW PARTS. Denny |
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What is your goal with these barrels? Am I correct in that you are trying to make a chrome lined barrel that is as close to a match barrel as a chrome lined barrel can get (hence the MR blanks)? Or just trying to provide a high quality barrel, not necessarily "close to match"? -Can you expand on the barrel steel being "Chrome Vandium"? -Can you walk us through the barrel profile from chamber to muzzle? -Are the barrels stress-relieved so that they can be turned w/o releasing the barrel stresses and effecting accuracy too much? -Just to clarify by "MP tested" you do infact mean Proof-load tested, then magnetic particle inspected (in that order), correct? Will every barrel be MPed or just samples? -Who will be manufacturing/supplying the mid-length gas tubes for you? -That's cool that you are parkerizing the parts separately, the FSB is forged not cast correct? Your barrel does sound very interesting to me. Thank you for your time. |
 I'm wondering about the match/near match issue myself. That'll be addressed I would presume. As well as price. My only question regards the taper under the handguards. If there's a good barrel performance reason for it then I understand completely and carry on. Otherwise, a tapered profile is a pain to deal with if you ever have to put the barrel in vise blocks. |
AFAIK, Mike Rock's barrels aren't exactly service grade so I guess we wait and see what Denny says...
I know that Rock barrels aren't "service grade", but most of the time a chrome lined barrel loses some accuracy. There are some new chrome processes that seem to be able to produce a very accurate barrel (FN SPR), so I'm just curious where these barrels will fall on the typical accuracy scale. Are these going to be 5R, or ?? |
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Even my CMMG/DPMS chrome lined 16" barrel does 1MOA 5-shot groups with off the shelf match ammunition and 3k rounds down it. It used to do 3/4MOA 5-shot new. Both were done with horrible (I mean _really_ cheasy mounts & scope) scope setups, I'm not sure if the recent larger groups are attributed to the round count or the change of scope setup. This was not a match barrel blank and the chrome lining process was nothing special. Chrome lined barrels can potentially be extremely accurate even without super special expensive processes. ETA: Those measurements were done from a bench @ 100y to take the shooter out of the equation as much as possible. Haven't had a chance to shoot at further distances for accuracy but bullet impacts in dirt hills at further distances appeared to all be hitting in the same spot. |
1. Typo on my part. Chrome vanadium. Basically 4150 with elevated chrome vanadium content. This is the mil spec for machine gun barrels. .50 cal, M240, M249 and M16. Plain 4150 is acceptable I understand for the M16. 4150 chrome vanadium is tougher and longer lived. 2. The exact taper is proprietary but anyone who buys one of these barrels can measure it. Basically .850 in front of the chamber and down to .800 at the sight base. Normal .750 for the sight base and then the small step to .740 to the muzzle. 3. Approximate weight including FSB and F/H is 2.5 lbs. 4. Yes, proof fired and then MP tested. Each barrel. 5. RRA supplies me with the Middy gas tubes. 6. Barrels will be supplied with the barrel nut in place and the F FSB taper pinned in place. I will just be hand tightening the A2 F/H to protect the muzzle/crown. Most of ya are gonna put something else more exotic on the business end. 7. You will be able to purchase just the barrel, Barrel and gas tube, Barrel and gas tube and Delta Assembly or a complete custom build. 8. Expected accuracy will be on a par with LMT barrels. I would just sell those but a. They don't offer the profile I want. b. They don't sell barrels alone. c. They don't offer a 16" MidLength. 9. This I designed this profile with barrel rigidity in mind but without being too heavy. I wanted a strong profile for hanging suppressors off them and also enough meat to handle a lot of heat. Remeber I am a machine gun guy also. 2.5 Lbs is a very reasonable weight for an M16 barrel.Some info on these barrels is proprietary as this is a competetive market. Let's just say the chromer is the same as used by FAMOUS military suppliers and the company acutually making the barrels is VERY well know on these forums and barrels are all they do. Denny |
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When I have the completed pricing information and expect date I will post the barrels and option in this thread and the EE. You will be able to order the basic barrel and packages off the website. Custom builds will be worked out via phone Thanks for all the interest. This will be a top of the line barrel. Denny |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The OPERATOR barrels arrived this afternoon, PICS of course, Customers Build pics Added (Page 1 of 12)
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