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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - BATF Stats for # of Rifles Manufactured, AR Companies (now with 2003) (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/9/2005 12:52:23 PM EDT
  I put this together after culling through 5 years of BATF .PDF files. 2002 is the most recent year released. Where there are 0s in the chart, BATF had no listing for any rifles manufactured by that company (in a few cases, there were pistols and/or shotguns manufactured that year by that manufacturer). Technically, the numbers are for all rifles made, so there's no way to know exactly how many were AR15s. For example, Bushmaster's stats will include the small number of M17s they make, Armalite's will include AR10s, and KAC's will include SR25s. Hesse made AKs and other types of guns that aren't even AR related. Still, these give you a good idea of what's going on. [5/3/2005: Added 2003 stats & graph] -Troy |
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Thanks for the stats Troy. I wonder how many more rifles RRA has put out in 2003 and 2004. My first RRA lower, that I bought in October(04), is about 12,000 (serial #) less than my new one I picked up three weeks ago.......I'd say RRA is putting out a hell of a lot more than those stats now. WIZZO |
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I agree that it will be very interesting to see how RRA's production jumped in 2003, and then when the numbers are available, in 2004. I think it's kind of sad that companies like Hesse can build a following and a market, and still apparently not "get it right" when it comes to ARs. From what I've read in this forum, their AR stuff should be avoided like the plague, but they apparently do a lot of business... 
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It also gives you some perspective about the problems reported by BM owners vs the problems by other brands. In 2002, Bushmaster made: 3 x Colts figures 4 x Armalite 6 x DPMS & Olympic 11 x Hesse 19 x Rock River As such, it isn't so surprising that there are more problem reports from BMs than other brands, when looking at raw numbers. When you look at those numbers as a percentage of the market, things change dramatically. -Troy |
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I think Bushmaster has a significant foreign/LEO sales market, at least from the shredded business documents I got for packing with my new upper, it indicated orders going to Bogota, Colombia, Biloxi MS Police, US Fish & Wildlife, etc... Kind of interesting fishing through the strips. |
posted aboove Technically, the numbers are for all rifles made, so there's no way to know exactly how many were AR15s. For example, Bushmaster's stats will include the small number of M17s they make, Armalite's will include AR10s, and KAC's will include SR25s. Hesse made AKs and other types of guns that aren't even AR related. Still, these give you a good idea of what's going on. |
I'm glad that you pointed that out. Thanks for the time to sort through the stats Troy! |
Yeh! And 6,720 known suckers parted from their money so far.... Colt's sales look to be trending down fast. What a surprize |
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The figure I'd love to know (though I appreciate the graph Troy made) is how many US households own at least one AR-15, AK-47, FAL, or other "evil" weapon. That's a tough figure to come up with as most people who have 1, eventually have more, though I'd love to know that X million households have at least one Assault type weapon in their home. |
My dealer was saying that the day the ban ended something like 50 people placed orders with him for ARs just in that one day. For a guy that only sells a 15-20 rifles a month out of his home, thats a big deal. |
A more interesting stat that I'd like to see is how many ARs were manufactured before 9-13-94, and how many were manufactured during the ban. I have heard that post-ban production was up by 900%. It seems that Feinstein and Schumer put a lot of weapons "on the street" with their ban. |
400,000+ upto 2002. Makes me verry happy. That means the gov' will never be able to get them all. It would cost them at least 300,000 X 900 to pay fair market value to get just them back for a buy back program in a nationwide confiscation (plus body count). I figure, based on how Gov't costs go, it would be $540MM just for AR's
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I'll add on to this. My new-logo RRA lower I got in October (within a month of them switching to the new logo) is in the 32,XXX range. My second new-logo RRA lower I got was towards the end of February (from the head armorer at RRA) is in the 45,XXX range. So that means about 13,000 lowers in about 4 months time. Not bad, in my opinion. WIZZO |
Note that the chart reflects complete rifles only. Many brands' sales are mostly lowers and/or parts, not complete rifles, and those lower sales aren't included in the above count. -Troy |
The situation then, much like today, is more an issue with supplies and subcontractor availability. Even though BM will sell more rifles than anyone else again this year, they are losing sales because they can't get enough materials to meet the demand, and their subcontractors are busy with priority government work to give them additional output. -Troy |
BTW, ever notice that "growing pains" sounds a lot like "groin pains"? It's not coincidence! Having too much work for your current staff to handle is like a kick in the nutsack! 
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This was done on the old ar15-l email list, back around 99 or so. ISTR the results showed multiple times more ARs manufactured in the first 5 years of the ban than in all the years prior (start of civilian sales 196*cough* through 1994). I sure would like to see those stats again. |
They've probably sold several times that many separate uppers and lowers, which aren't reflected in these stats. These are stats for COMPLETE FACTORY RIFLES only. -Troy |
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i believe this data is based on payment of the making tax for completed rifles http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2000.pdf http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2001.pdf http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2002.pdf http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2003.pdf ANNUAL FIREARMS MANUFACTURING AND EXPORT REPORT Y2000 # RIFLEs MFG -----LICENSE NAME 304395 -------------STURM RUGER & CO INC 287418 -------------THE MARLIN FIREARMS CO 190018 -------------REMINGTON ARMS CO, INC 158136 -------------SAVAGE ARMS, INC 127922 -------------WRIGHT PRODUCTS 116616 -------------US REPEATING ARMS COMPANY 61387 ---------------ARGUS PUBLICATIONS INC 60231 ---------------REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, INC 57753 ---------------H & R 1871 INC NEW ENGLAND FIREARMS CO 39932 ---------------BUSHMASTER FIREARMS BFI/QUALITY PARTS CO 29950 ---------------COLT'S MANUFACTURING CO INC 19468 ---------------CENTURY ARMS INC 17182 ---------------THOMPSON CENTER ARMS CO INC 12390 ---------------BEEMILLER INC 11846 ---------------KEYSTONE SPORTING ARMS INC 9506 ----------------SPRINGFIELD INC 8475 ----------------ARMALITE INC 7965 ----------------ACROMETAL COMPANIES, INC 5869 ----------------DEFENSE PROCUREMENT MFG SERVICES INC |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - BATF Stats for # of Rifles Manufactured, AR Companies (now with 2003) (Page 1 of 2)
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