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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
WA, USA
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Seems like for 100gr of shot they're using a small powder charge. I'm going to try some loads for 1/3rd oz (about 146gr).
Since there's no significant contact between the shot and the bore, I suspect it might take more powder to get the shot up to speed. We'll see. I'm waiting on the 41magnum die to get started. I've cut 21 cases and plenty of card discs. |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
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I would have to check my notes, forgot the weight of shot I used.
The 41 mag die works well for forming cases, doing the crimp is what I had problems with. I guess the RCBS shotshell die set does a good job, but they are pricey for an experiment like this. I used a modified RN seater in a 50 AE seating die to crimp. Did a small amount of crimp in steps. 5 steps IIRC. |
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I'm having problems finding a die to make the crimp with.
Apparently the die to use is the Lee 38 spl seat and feed die because of the mouth of the die is shaped right for the job. The Lee seat and feed die in their 4 die set seems to be different than the one I see on the youtube video, and I don't want to spend $44 to find out if it works. I sacrificed a 30 year old 223 Pacific/Hornady resize die with a broken neck/decapping stem (no spares available) and used a 1/8" carbide bit on a dremel tool to rough cut it and radius the mouth. I put the die in a mini-mill vice and spun it as I cut with the carbide bit. The Dremel was strapped to an angled piece of wood to help stabilize it. It's pretty rough, but it will crimp the case without being annealed. It just takes lots of lube, and patience to work the crimp. I'm going to see about having a machine shop clean up and polish the radius for me... or I have to make a tool to do it myself. |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
WA, USA
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I annealed my cases, made it a little easier to crimp.
Hard part is finding tooling. Would love to see a pic of your seater when it's done. |
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I'm looking for a place local to machine my die.
Meantime I made 20 rounds with my rough cut die. The crimps are... Rough. They're uneven and reflect the Dremel marks. The crimp happens all at once with a "crunch". I turn the case and apply pressure every 1/4 turn to even out the crimp as best I can. I put a #8 finish washer between the brass and my rough cut die and that helps smooth out the crimp. They can come out a bit lopsided. I only ruined 3 cases. My recipe is 4.5gr of 700-X, 115gr of #7.5 copper plated shot with card wads. I might head out tomorrow to see how they work. |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
WA, USA
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Hope they function.
Please update. |
Selling agent for Algores carbon credit scam.
Shooting and Reloading, one hobby feeds the other. |
Very interesting OP. Please update when you test them.
Do the CCI birdshot rounds cycle your slide? |
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With enough Kentucky Jelly you can park a Winnebago in a garden shed. I'm sure she has no problems. -Banjaxed
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
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Thanks for the range report.
I was hoping your rounds would cycle. |
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Success!
On the new load: 6.0gr Bullseye under 120gr of 7-1/2 shot, card wads: all 12 rounds cycled, with the very last once failing to eject. I think I could add 5 more grains of shot judging by the amount of space left after crimping. The powder will compress a bit. One round I loaded at 5.5 gr Bullseye failed to cycle. It was fun to shoot pieces of clay pigeons hand tossed into the air, or used hulls. The hulls would go downrange about 10 yards after hitting them. Recoil was moderate. Brass was tossed about 5 feet to my right. Yesterday other than the fact that none of my rounds would cycle my G30S or P-14, I had a lot of leading in the bore. I wasn't sure if it was due to my shot shells or new bullets I was trying (230gr Bayou coated bullets). The Bayous were over a new load of True Blue I was trying, and that might have contributed. The recoil on these rounds was heavy and the brass was ejected forcefully, so my load might have been too high for these bullets, even if at the mid range for lead. However, today after shooting only the 13 rounds of my shot shells and nothing else, the bore was leaded badly. I followed up with about 100 rounds of FMJ and other rounds and that cleaned up a lot of the lead. I think I'd sacrifice some shot capacity by using a shot cup to avoid the leading issue. I don't know how hard it will be to stuff them into these previously fired cases. The mouth is smaller after crimping and firing compared to "virgin" brass. It took me a couple of hours to scrub the mess out from my 2 barrels yesterday. At least today there's only the P-14 to clean and it isn't bad after all those other rounds flaking off the lead! Edited for spelling and correcting numbers after counting the spent cases... |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
WA, USA
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Great news, will have to try your new load.
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I have been thinking about why I'm getting so much leading of my barrels.
The shot is claimed to be high antimony, and copper plated to boot. The speed of the shot shouldn't be so high as to cause leading on the basis of that. Could it be that the little card wad between the powder and shot is so totally destroyed, it results in hot gases around some of the shot, softening it to cause the leading? I have found bits of cardboard wadding, all tattered and singed. After the brass is crimped, and then fired once, inserting a plastic shot cup will really not be possible. I'm going to experiment with fiber wads, 1/4" to start and see if that helps. If it does, then I'll split them and see what I can get away with. Cleaning up the barrel even after only a few shot shells is such a chore, it detracts from the fun of shooting them. |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
WA, USA
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When I shot my loads, I also shot a lot of cast bullets that day.
I didn't notice any abnormal leading. I used cardboard wads cut from a beer 12 pack. My shot is old reclaimed I've had around for since the 80's. |
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LGS had some Wonder Wads.They're like thick, firm felt, meant for black powder guns.
The thicker wad means 107gr of shot can be put in. It does help reduce the leading a lot. Again, 6gr of Bullsye is behind the shot, with continued good cycling out of all but 1 round out of about 10 I fired off today. |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
WA, USA
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I pulled down about a third of my loaded rounds tonight.
Going to try 6.0 Bullseye. |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
WA, USA
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Very nice. I'm going to put that on my "to do" list.
Thanks for posting all the pics. It seems a little strange to have a two person thread around here. I have torn down all of my 6.0 grs Unique rounds and have them ready to charge with Bullseye. |
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I'm liking the 6gr of Unique.
But I'm not giving up on the 700X, so I've loaded a couple rounds with 5.3 and 5.5gr 700X to see if that works. I tried using my 700X in my LnL for .45acp, but my Hornady case activated powder drop hates it. Extreme variations of charge, jamming the rotor, just horrible. I also have some International Clays which I can't use for pistol loads, but seeing as how these are shotshells I don't see why I can't use this powder in them. I also don't understand why more folks aren't posting in this thread. I suppose just because we find these shotshells great fun to make and shoot doesn't mean they do. For me it's the challenge. No dies available and nobody makes them anymore. Old stock for sale for $2-$3 a shot on GB. Now I have A Glock Semiauto shot/handgun! When my M10/45 gets out of jail I'm going to try these full auto... |
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If it makes you two feel any better I have been following this thread. I made some .45 shot shells a few years ago for killing snakes. I used cut down .270 cases, a cut
down .30-06 full length sizer die(it had been previous ruined). I used 410 wads to drastically tighten patterns, I just used a couple layers of card stock hot melted to the top to hold it all together. I don't remember any load data off hand but I know they didn't cycle. |
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
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Originally Posted By roach68: If it makes you two feel any better I have been following this thread. I made some .45 shot shells a few years ago for killing snakes. I used cut down .270 cases, a cut down .30-06 full length sizer die(it had been previous ruined). I used 410 wads to drastically tighten patterns, I just used a couple layers of card stock hot melted to the top to hold it all together. I don't remember any load data off hand but I know they didn't cycle. View Quote How were you crimping the case mouth? |
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I don't recall doing any kind of crimp, it's been a few years. I single feed them into the chamber, I doubt they would hold up to much abuse.
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
WA, USA
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Those crimps look great.
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Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool
WA, USA
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Bump for new interest.
I tried the 6.0 gr Bullseye load, had about half of them function. Still a work in progress. |
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Thank you sir! Tagged for a later viewing
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