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12/20/2012 3:54:37 PM EDT
Thought I would get your opinions on 5.56 primer pockets, I have about six cases from the last batch that the pockets are very loose. I can't pick the primer out with my finger nail, but they went in very easily. I prime with the RCBS automatic bench priming tool so I can easily feel the difference.

The brass checks out fine except for the pockets and I just don't want to be cheap and cause major issues, I have plenty enough cases.

RCBS

a) Scrap the cases
b) Load them as light plinker loads then scrap them next time
c) have another beer and worry about something else

Thanks,
12/20/2012 4:01:18 PM EDT
[#1]
I would separate them and load my lite plinker load in them. They are already primed right? Why decapp them? After this load though, I would scrap them.
12/20/2012 4:11:09 PM EDT
[#2]
Hart makes tools to tighten primer pockets. Unless we be talking LaPua, I'm not interested in salvaging brass over a loose pocket. Throw'em in the scrap bucket. You know that old saying ? If you always do what you've always done you will always get what you've always got.

This parables well to reloading loose primer pockets. Only exception being you might get full auto when you least want it. Primers have a way of finding the trigger group.

Load Smart,



dc.
12/20/2012 4:12:42 PM EDT
[#3]
what brand of brass are the ones with the loose pockets?
12/20/2012 4:38:14 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
what brand of brass are the ones with the loose pockets?


Three FC and three WCC
12/20/2012 5:09:42 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Quoted:
what brand of brass are the ones with the loose pockets?


Three FC and three WCC


Could have guessed that.

12/20/2012 6:22:58 PM EDT
[#6]
Bang the edge of the case rims hard on the bench top.  If the primer backs out they are scrap.  If not, segregate the cases and shoot them one more time.

12/20/2012 6:51:05 PM EDT
[#7]
I scrap cases with loose primer pockets.
12/20/2012 8:04:21 PM EDT
[#8]
If they prime too easily, toss em RIGHT NOW.  Don't we all have bigger things to stress over?  I have zero problem with eliminating anything that doesn't meet QC, at any point in the process.
12/20/2012 8:19:04 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
I scrap cases with loose primer pockets.


+1

12/20/2012 8:54:51 PM EDT
[#10]
What's it called? Gas cutting?

Once my pockets loosen, I use a sharpy to mark the case head and toss it after the last firing.
12/20/2012 8:55:23 PM EDT
[#11]
Scrap

Sorry, the Federal loose primer pocket issue is common for some batches from about the 2009 time frame.
12/21/2012 3:16:27 AM EDT
[#12]
Interesting, learn something new every day...that might come in handy at some point.


Quoted:


Hart makes tools to tighten primer pockets.
Unless we be talking LaPua, I'm not interested in salvaging brass over a loose pocket. Throw'em in the scrap bucket. You know that old saying ? If you always do what you've always done you will always get what you've always got.



This parables well to reloading loose primer pockets. Only exception being you might get full auto when you least want it. Primers have a way of finding the trigger group.



Load Smart,
dc.







 
12/21/2012 5:35:47 AM EDT
[#13]



Quoted:






This parables well to reloading loose primer pockets. Only exception being you might get full auto when you least want it. Primers have a way of finding the trigger group.







This happened to me with FC brass once, didn't get full auto got a full stoppage



 
12/21/2012 6:05:26 AM EDT
[#14]
Scrap
12/21/2012 6:34:32 AM EDT
[#15]
Thanks Guys, you all confirmed what I initially though, scrap them it is.
12/21/2012 7:02:17 AM EDT
[#16]
I've got a .175 gage pin that I use to check all my brass before I prime.  If the gage pin goes in the depth of the pocket, I scrap.  Max primer pocket size I believe is.1745.  I can check a lot of brass in a hurry using this method, and there is no guessing.

12/21/2012 11:57:48 AM EDT
[#17]
I scrap cases with loose primer pockets.
12/22/2012 2:02:57 PM EDT
[#18]
Measure a primer.  Then look for or make a pin gage that will give you about a .001 interfearance fit.  Swage lightly and ream a bit if needed.  Do not overswage the pockets as the crimp may be the only thing holding the primer in.  Worked for me.  db
12/22/2012 4:03:09 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
What's it called? Gas cutting?

Once my pockets loosen, I use a sharpy to mark the case head and toss it after the last firing.


+1 and what Areo said. I use a Lee hand primer.  If they go in easy and banging the rim on the bench doesn't move the primer, I color the head of the case with a sharpy. I use them only for practice, etc.  As I pick up fired brass, I throw those away.
12/23/2012 2:17:25 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Measure a primer.  Then look for or make a pin gage that will give you about a .001 interfearance fit.  Swage lightly and ream a bit if needed.  Do not overswage the pockets as the crimp may be the only thing holding the primer in.  Worked for me.  db


This is my question.  Is the FC stuff 5.56 or .223?  Are you reaming or swaging the pocket?  

I have a ton of XM193 brass from about 2009 and I just bought the RCBS bench mount swager.  Now I'm kind of worried about swaging.  Do I even need to.  I'm kind of new, so I don't know if I would notice a "loose" primer.
12/23/2012 4:42:11 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:

I have a ton of XM193 brass from about 2009 and I just bought the RCBS bench mount swager.  Now I'm kind of worried about swaging.  Do I even need to.  I'm kind of new, so I don't know if I would notice a "loose" primer.


I imagine the 2009 m193 was crimped.  Look for a crimp ring around the primer pocket.
Don't over-swage.  

It is a pain in the ass, but I iterate between adjusting the amount if swage and primer seating.  
I swage lightly, then try to hand prime.  If my  primer tool jams, then I disassemble and un-jam.
Then, I swage a little harder, then try again until I have a minimum swage setting that allows primers to seat.

12/23/2012 7:08:25 AM EDT
[#22]



Quoted:



Quoted:

Measure a primer.  Then look for or make a pin gage that will give you about a .001 interfearance fit.  Swage lightly and ream a bit if needed.  Do not overswage the pockets as the crimp may be the only thing holding the primer in.  Worked for me.  db




This is my question.  Is the FC stuff 5.56 or .223?  Are you reaming or swaging the pocket?  



I have a ton of XM193 brass from about 2009 and I just bought the RCBS bench mount swager.  Now I'm kind of worried about swaging.  Do I even need to.  I'm kind of new, so I don't know if I would notice a "loose" primer.


Up in FAQ's there is a pic of primer crimp you should study. Also what your swaged cases should look like.

 



Swage a case, seat primer, adjust swager as needed.




Don't swage the whole batch and discover you under or over swaged.




Remember web thickness varies between brand of cases, so sort by headstamp.




Loose primer pockets;




1) Seat some primers in some once fired commercial (no crimp) cases, think Winchester here. This lets you know how much force is needed to normally seat primers.




2) Loose primer pockets will seat very easily, much less force needed than with once fired commercial (no crimp) cases.




3) Train yourself to feel the bottom of the primer pocket when primer bottoms out.




Some practice seating primers, and the loose primer pockets will be very obvious.




Sorry but FC cases are notorious for loose primer pockets. Good luck
12/23/2012 7:25:45 AM EDT
[#23]
I wish all you FC brass haters would save it for me.

With 223 pressure loads I find recent small letter FC brass the equal of LC brass.  The only recent brass I have found problematic is 2010 and 2011 LC because the necks split early.
12/23/2012 7:30:06 AM EDT
[#24]



Quoted:


I wish all you FC brass haters would save it for me.



With 223 pressure loads I find recent small letter FC brass the equal of LC brass.  The only recent brass I have found problematic is 2010 and 2011 LC because the necks split early.


Don't hate it, just trade it off.

 



Not worth the case prep, use it if you want.
12/23/2012 8:34:59 AM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
I wish all you FC brass haters would save it for me.

With 223 pressure loads I find recent small letter FC brass the equal of LC brass.  The only recent brass I have found problematic is 2010 and 2011 LC because the necks split early.


The only headstamp I have problems with loose pp is RP. Or maybe I just happen to find RP cases that have been fired 10 times.
12/23/2012 9:29:29 AM EDT
[#26]
Gas leaking = Scrap them.

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