Spin it down - Fingerprints are fine

Armory » Silencers

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Spin it down - Fingerprints are fine

Posted: 9/27/2016 8:38:30 AM EDT

EDIT: I'm going to asking the TFB writer to clarify the story.

RETRACTED:

Note to all readers. This information was in error. I had an attorney who represents many FFL’s across the country with license matters as well as NFA cases. I’ve consulted with him several times on these types of matters. He informed me there has been no change in the law or BATF policy. Local law enforcement does not have to do the fingerprints.

So nothing has changed this was an error caused by some rather unclear information on the ATF website.

My apologies for creating a stir.

Phil

Posted: 9/27/2016 8:40:05 AM EDT

[#1]

Quoted:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/27/breaking-batfe-changes-nfa-fingerprint-requirement-must-now-completed-local-law-enforcement-authority/

Now needs to be done by a local law enforcement authority.

View Quote

I just slid under the wire.

Posted: 9/27/2016 8:47:15 AM EDT

[#2]

So the SS kiosk are now obsolete?

Posted: 9/27/2016 8:51:32 AM EDT

[#3]

Dear Silencer Shop

I am so sorry our government is full of a bunch of A-holes. I still commend you for what you were trying to do.

Yours Truly
Satisfied Customer

Posted: 9/27/2016 8:52:46 AM EDT

[#4]

Whew! Good thing we got 41F passed. It was a win-win for everybody!

Posted: 9/27/2016 8:53:59 AM EDT

[#5]

I guess DOD authority is no longer acceptable? Our HR person was DOD approved for completing fingerprint cards required for security clearances. I just walked down the hall and used her ink pad.

Posted: 9/27/2016 8:57:10 AM EDT

[#6]

This will go over well.

Posted: 9/27/2016 8:58:19 AM EDT

[#7]

And you need fingerprint cards with the ATF's ORI already pre-entered? You can't just enter the ORI yourself? Of course, ATF. I'm not surprised.

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:03:28 AM EDT

[#8]

I've been debating between continuing to use my trust (which includes one other responsible person) or going the individual route. Now this pretty much ensures I'll go individual due to the PITA.

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:09:51 AM EDT

[#9]

What the fuck

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:14:03 AM EDT

[#10]

Quote History

Quoted:
So the SS kiosk are now obsolete?

View Quote

Good question.

So they (.gov) are going to verify who took the prints? How they going to do that?

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:15:19 AM EDT

[#11]

Motherfucker

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:21:24 AM EDT

[#12]

Quote History

Quoted:
What the fuck

View Quote

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:22:32 AM EDT

[#13]

Quote History

Quoted:
And you need fingerprint cards with the ATF's ORI already pre-entered? You can't just enter the ORI yourself? Of course, ATF. I'm not surprised.

View Quote

From my understanding, the first line confirms you must use their card.

Guys, this is a good thing. Getting the LEO to do your finger prints using live scan ensures the prints are legible to the computer reading it. Also, using actual ATF cards eliminates possible errors hand writing info onto it. This means less likleyhood of screwups or unreadable finger prints. Thus, theoretically this SHOULD speed up the background check process.

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:32:39 AM EDT

[#14]

I feel so much safer!

This country is quickly going to hell at the hands of our dictators.

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:35:07 AM EDT

[#15]

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:39:30 AM EDT

[#16]

Look at the section it's in, this is for explosives...

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/qa/how-do-i-get-my-fingerprints-taken

The way I read it, until they actually create new Form 1 / Form 4's, this doesn't affect NFA.

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:43:55 AM EDT

[#17]

This is BS. It's like they can't help themselves. Do they get a cookie for each time they make life difficult for citizens and business owners? Regulatory agencies need to be removed, or at least some checks and balances.

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:47:35 AM EDT

[#18]

Quote History

Quoted:
Look at the section it's in, this is for explosives...

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/qa/how-do-i-get-my-fingerprints-taken

The way I read it, until they actually create new Form 1 / Form 4's, this doesn't affect NFA.

View Quote

As I said over in GD, this is correct.

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:49:09 AM EDT

[#19]

Quote History

Quoted:
Getting the LEO to do your finger prints using live scan ensures the prints are legible to the computer reading it.

View Quote

Not all LE agencies do prints, and not all have live scan. I've had LE-rolled prints come back for a do-over for customers several times.

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:55:01 AM EDT

[#20]

Quote History

Quoted:

As I said over in GD, this is correct.

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:
Look at the section it's in, this is for explosives...

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/qa/how-do-i-get-my-fingerprints-taken

The way I read it, until they actually create new Form 1 / Form 4's, this doesn't affect NFA.

As I said over in GD, this is correct.

yep, this is just for explosives

Posted: 9/27/2016 9:58:08 AM EDT

[#21]

My fault for not fully reading all the links before posting.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:01:23 AM EDT

[#22]

Way to go pokin the beehive!

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:07:55 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Story has been retracted:

Note to all readers. This information was in error. I had an attorney who represents many FFL’s across the country with license matters as well as NFA cases. I’ve consulted with him several times on these types of matters. He informed me there has been no change in the law or BATF policy. Local law enforcement does not have to do the fingerprints.

So nothing has changed this was an error caused by some rather unclear information on the ATF website.

My apologies for creating a stir.

Phil

View Quote

Posted: 9/27/2016 11:12:09 AM EDT

[#24]

Quote History

Quoted:

NOW GET THIS BUMPED TO THE TOP!

View Quote View All Quotes

View All Quotes

Quote History

Quoted:

Quoted:
Story has been retracted:

Note to all readers. This information was in error. I had an attorney who represents many FFL’s across the country with license matters as well as NFA cases. I’ve consulted with him several times on these types of matters. He informed me there has been no change in the law or BATF policy. Local law enforcement does not have to do the fingerprints.

So nothing has changed this was an error caused by some rather unclear information on the ATF website.

My apologies for creating a stir.

Phil

NOW GET THIS BUMPED TO THE TOP!