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Posted: 8/30/2013 1:46:23 AM
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So Bushnell apparently went to some 3 gun matches to ask shooters what they wanted. Well, let me tell you... they've built a winner.

http://www.bushnell.com/all-products/rifle-scopes/ar-optics/1-4x-24mm-throw-down-pcl

From their website here are the technical specs...



Our Illuminated BTR reticle provides outstanding low light performance and accurate holdovers out to 500 yards. Make lightning quick power changes with the Throw Down PCL lever.

Illuminated BTR reticle
11 Illumination settings
Throw Down PCL lever
First focal plane
.1 Mil click adjustment
Fully multi-coated optics
30mm tube
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Finish:
Matte
Power / Obj Lens: 1-4x 24mm
Reticle: Illuminated BTR
Field of View (ft@100 yds. / m@100 m): 110/33@1x / 36/11@4x
Weight (oz. / g): 17.3 / 492
Length (in. / mm): 3.6 / 93
Eye Relief (in. / mm): 3.6 / 93
Exit Pupil (mm): 13@1x / 6.0@4x
Click Value in.@100 yds / mm@100m: 0.1 / 9.1
Adj Range in.@100yds / m@100m: +60 / 1.7
Mounting Length (in. / mm): 5.9 / 150


The reticle


I had been following the progress on this scope and read a couple of pre-release reviews. Based on those reviews, I decided to order one from OpticsPlanet who currently lists them for $289 While home on leave, I decided to build a pair of 6.8SPC upper receivers for my buddy and I to hunt hogs with. I gave my buddy a Strikefire for his 6.8 but wanted a 1-4x for mine. Well, I read that someone had seen one at Wal-Mart. Thinking there was no way Wal-mart would get one before OpticsPlanet had them in stock, I called the local Wal-Mart.

"Yes Sir, we've got one of those AR 223 1-4 scopes here."

Well, $299 later I was the proud owner of a Throwdown PCL. Unfortunately the only mounts Wal-Mart had were a Millet 30mm cantilever. I bought it for $29, mounted it and was somewhat unimpressed with the mount. It took some effort to get it tight enough to hold on the rail without rattling, but that's the mount not the optic's fault. I'll be replacing it with a Larue mount when I return to the US.



Here it is mounted on the rifle with the Throwdown lever extended.



The scope came in the box with a single band rubber band scope cover. I don't recall seeing a lens cloth which would have been a nice addition. Packing was secure and unremarkable.

It mounted fine on the cheap Millet cantilever mount but the mount required some significant effort to get it to tighten on the rifle firmly. Once done, it seems fairly solid though.

Optics quality is excellent. I'd compare image quality to be roughly the same as my Meopta Meostar R-1 1-4x and superior to my Weaver Classic Extreme 1.5-4.5x24. I didn't have my Meostar side by side when I used it but am pretty comfortable comparing the two regardless. It's got great clarity and I didn't see any noticeable blur in the corners. I'm very happy with the eyebox on it.

Field of view: My Meostar lists its field of view as 111' at 100 yards on 1x and 25.8' on 4x. The Bushnell shows 110' at 100 yards on 1x and 36' at 100 yards on 4x. I didn't have my Meostar with me so was unable to compare visually. It was definitely a bigger FOV than my Weaver set to 4x.

Reticle: I loved the reticle. It shrunk and grew as I zoomed in and out. On 1x, I found the reticle appared to be closer to a red dot than a full reticle but did present a nice horseshoe similar to the way an EOTech provides a targeting circle. On 4x, the reticle really rocked. The BDC ticks were clearly visible and usable in most lighting conditions. I think you might have difficulty using the BDC in very low light but they showed up fine in daylight, when overcast, and at the start of dusk. EDIT: I'll have to recheck, but I think the Bushnell reticle pic has one inaccuracy... I don't remember the BDC ticks being illuminated but I could be wrong. I'll have my buddy check for me.

Turrets had a solid feel to them and very noticeable clicks. I'm not that skilled with .mils yet but was able to easily adjust them to site the rifle in at 25 yards with my 90gr XM68D Federal ammo. I wish I'd had a longer range to shoot on but was limited to what I had at the time as I was trying to prep the rifle for some hog hunting in heavy brush. If someone wants to "shoot the box", please feel free to do so with this to determine tracking. The scope reportedly has a resettable zero but I did not do so given them time I had available.

The zoom... That PCL lever rocks. It turns smoother and easier than either my Weaver or my Meopta. It can be flicked out and repositioned with a single finger, I found my thumb worked quite nicely. Smart idea by Bushnell that stays firmly down and doesn't flop when its in the down position.

Overall, Bushnell got it right with this scope. Excellent quality FFP glass with a kickass reticle. The price is outstanding. Edit: I left my OpticsPlanet order going. I'll definitely use a second one of these! Maybe even a third...
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Posted: 8/30/2013 5:13:57 AM
I've been eyeing this thing for a while. It's almost too good to be true for $300. If they can stand up to extended 5.56 abuse, I'm in for a few of em myself.

How low can you go with the illumination? For some odd reason scope makers try to make the damn reticles daytime visible, and totally forget about low light settings. Who even turns those on during the day? I'd like something that is usable at night or dusk at least. My Optisan Mamba on green mode was decent until the lens molded up.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 5:24:55 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By corpseknight:
I've been eyeing this thing for a while. It's almost too good to be true for $300. If they can stand up to extended 5.56 abuse, I'm in for a few of em myself.

How low can you go with the illumination? For some odd reason scope makers try to make the damn reticles daytime visible, and totally forget about low light settings. Who even turns those on during the day? I'd like something that is usable at night or dusk at least. My Optisan Mamba on green mode was decent until the lens molded up.


I'd say the scope is perfectly adequate for low light. I wish the scope used AA, AAA or CR123 batteries as you can only get so much power and life out of 3v CR2032s. It's visible during daylight but there are times when I wish it were as superbright as my Trijicon 2.5-10x56.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 9:14:07 AM
I played with one at cabelas last night.

Wish it was SFP. the reticle isn't bright enough to use as a 'dot' on 1x in daytime. I kept losing it near the light fixtures. Obviously even my swarovski's and former vortex 1-6x's dots would get washed out directly at the bulb. I'd say it's as bright as a Burris TAC30 or MTAC but on 1x it's too small. If it was SFP it wouldn't be an issue cuz of the center dot in the horseshoe reticle. I had a Bushnell 1-6.5x in SFP and that would wash out agaisnt light colored houses on full brightness on a sunny but overcast day.

The power or magnifier ring is stiff even with the lever.

And to me the deal breakers were that it seemed like the diopter changed between 1x and 4x and the exposed turrets are huge and unnecessary.

It felt pretty light and the glass is ok. But a SFP reticle and capped turrets would make this scope what it needs to be. BTR1 or BTR 2 there's no need for exposed turrets
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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:03:21 AM
Hmmm... I didn't even think about the shrinking reticle. The reason I like 1-4x so much is because @ 1X I can use the scope as a red dot of sorts. I don't want to have to search for the reticle every time I mount up. I need to check one of these out in person.

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I bought the 3-9x40 for my Savage suppressor host. I mounted it using the feeler gauge method and the crosshairs look canted. I'm going to lock the gun in a vise and check the crosshairs for vertical alignment before I head to the range and check the tracking. If these crosshairs are canted I'm going to be very upset.

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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:35:25 PM
Just mounted mine. I usually only buy optics costing over $800 but I made an exception after reading Optics Planet's review. Glad I did. This has got to be the best 1-4 FFP w/ lit reticle for under $700.

Having a blast with it today!


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Posted: 8/31/2013 3:42:55 PM
Is that a $2k+ .22 build??
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By dukduk:
Is that a $2k+ .22 build??
Train like you fight...
Fight like you train!

I figured with as much trigger time the .22 gets, it deserves to be built to the same level as my 5.56 rifles. It kind of sucked having a bunch of nice rifles but then shooting a $500 22LR 70% of the time.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 7:09:48 PM
Where is this new Bushnell built? Korea, Philipines, Japan, Germany? Should say somewhere on Scope, as this sounds like a great Scope.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 7:43:08 PM
Guy on here said his local WM priced match SWFA's price. My one WM would not price match, but the other one did.

I just picked up the Throw Down at my WM for $227.95 plus sales tax, now I just need to wait on my ADM mount to arrive.
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Posted: 8/31/2013 7:54:21 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By dukduk:
I played with one at cabelas last night.

Wish it was SFP. the reticle isn't bright enough to use as a 'dot' on 1x in daytime. I kept losing it near the light fixtures. Obviously even my swarovski's and former vortex 1-6x's dots would get washed out directly at the bulb. I'd say it's as bright as a Burris TAC30 or MTAC but on 1x it's too small. If it was SFP it wouldn't be an issue cuz of the center dot in the horseshoe reticle. I had a Bushnell 1-6.5x in SFP and that would wash out agaisnt light colored houses on full brightness on a sunny but overcast day.

The power or magnifier ring is stiff even with the lever.

And to me the deal breakers were that it seemed like the diopter changed between 1x and 4x and the exposed turrets are huge and unnecessary.

It felt pretty light and the glass is ok. But a SFP reticle and capped turrets would make this scope what it needs to be. BTR1 or BTR 2 there's no need for exposed turrets


Good stuff.

I am running the TAC30, and fairly competitive in 3gun with it. For the money - does this thing do ANYTHING that the TAC30 doesn't do?
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Posted: 8/31/2013 9:37:42 PM
Has anyone got theirs from SWFA yet? I pre-ordered one months ago and nothing....
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Posted: 8/31/2013 9:50:36 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Triumphman:
Where is this new Bushnell built? Korea, Philipines, Japan, Germany? Should say somewhere on Scope, as this sounds like a great Scope.


korea...

im also interested in one of these for a budget build im doing
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Posted: 9/1/2013 10:02:00 PM
got mine from gandor mountain they matched swfa price 227.99 very nice scope local walmart has one but only matches price within 50 mile radius
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I'm looking forward to getting mine from SWFA. I ordered it back
In June.
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Thanks for the review. I'm currently debating this and the new Primary Arms 1-6.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Chitrod:
Thanks for the review. I'm currently debating this and the new Primary Arms 1-6.


I was in the same position but I thought the ACSS on the PA fixed 6x scope was too thin and easy to lose. I went with this scope and I think it's gonna be a good choice
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By FALARAK:
Originally Posted By dukduk:
I played with one at cabelas last night.

Wish it was SFP. the reticle isn't bright enough to use as a 'dot' on 1x in daytime. I kept losing it near the light fixtures. Obviously even my swarovski's and former vortex 1-6x's dots would get washed out directly at the bulb. I'd say it's as bright as a Burris TAC30 or MTAC but on 1x it's too small. If it was SFP it wouldn't be an issue cuz of the center dot in the horseshoe reticle. I had a Bushnell 1-6.5x in SFP and that would wash out agaisnt light colored houses on full brightness on a sunny but overcast day.

The power or magnifier ring is stiff even with the lever.

And to me the deal breakers were that it seemed like the diopter changed between 1x and 4x and the exposed turrets are huge and unnecessary.

It felt pretty light and the glass is ok. But a SFP reticle and capped turrets would make this scope what it needs to be. BTR1 or BTR 2 there's no need for exposed turrets


Good stuff.

I am running the TAC30, and fairly competitive in 3gun with it. For the money - does this thing do ANYTHING that the TAC30 doesn't do?


The model with the ranging reticle ranges. And it has a throw lever out of the box. FFP and exposed turrets if that's your thing.

But for three gunning and most applications that a 4x is usefull for... I don't think it does.

FYI I'm not a hater, I actually like some if the stuff they have out. This just missed the mark, like the Vortex 1-6x reticle, should be rangable. Everything else is great but that. Same with that Leupold Mk6, should've been 2FP or at least have the option.
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Posted: 9/2/2013 5:22:56 PM
Yeah that's one of my fears. I wish I could see one first hand.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By cormorantslayer:
I bought the 3-9x40 for my Savage suppressor host. I mounted it using the feeler gauge method and the crosshairs look canted. I'm going to lock the gun in a vise and check the crosshairs for vertical alignment before I head to the range and check the tracking. If these crosshairs are canted I'm going to be very upset.

http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s343/cormorantslayer/Firearms/DSC_0025_zps36a5f216.jpg


Did you consider a bubble level?
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Posted: 9/4/2013 1:46:12 AM
Well, I'm back deployed, no longer on my R&R now... My buddy, a Marine fresh back from Afghanistan, managed to whack 4 hogs with it in under 15 seconds yesterday. Not bad shooting. He did miss twice. 6.8SPC w/ XM68GD ammo. The reticle works good for CQB. All shots 30 yards or less. When I get home, I plan to really wring out the BDC to get data on drop rates with the XM68GD ammo I'm shooting.



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Posted: 9/4/2013 5:47:00 PM
I called bushnell they couldn't give me a timeframe that was a month ago.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By stephenmcrna:
I called bushnell they couldn't give me a timeframe that was a month ago.


I just got an email from SWFA with a similar theme.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By plouffedaddy:
Originally Posted By stephenmcrna:
I called bushnell they couldn't give me a timeframe that was a month ago.


I just got an email from SWFA with a similar theme.


Well, they are out and available at Wal-Mart. OpticsPlanet says they'll have them in stock this week or next. "Next 7-17 days" is what I received a week ago via email.
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How close is the 1x to 1x?

As suitable for both eyes open shooting as a red dot sight?


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