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If my penmanship looked half as good as yours I'd be writing a lot more too haha. In all reality, good examples. Seems like some good, pertinent info.
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For every rifle and round Congo I have now I keep a page for my cold shot. There are a bunch of names for it but I try to recreate it especially so with my precision guns. I have a bunch of data for cold shot at 100 yards. Knowing cold data may very well be the most important thing you can find for any gun as it is likely the first shot you pick up and shoot will be the most important whether you are a hunter or a super elite sniper. Write it down and keep it running over time you will learn a pattern and shooting is all about identify and using consistency found in patterns.
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And just like that we were whole again...And there was much jubilation.
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Well if my handwriting looked half as good as yours...
Everyone tells me it looks like a third graders; we don't use pens much nowadays. |
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Tweeter I think you are double shotting your latte. Keep it up dude this is good shit...need to drive some tacks into these threads or have a Tweeter thread you can add to . I do all the things you talk about but it's refreshing to get someone else's perspective.
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Originally Posted By tbougie1:
Tweeter I think you are double shotting your latte... View Quote I don't sleep... gotta do something to pass the time. (you can blame Nick for dragging several of us in here) And... please don't tack this. The point is to have a discussion. It should evolve. Ideas that remain static are all too-often announced as written in stone, then newer and better ideas have a more difficult time surviving and making progress where they should. Attack an idea objectively, see if it survives. If it does... then it deserves to live. |
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the more you know, the less you have to carry.
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Wow! Did you go to Catholic school? The nuns would have loved you
You might have the potential for a good book there. Tiger McGee basically sold his note books. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Wow! Did you go to Catholic school? The nuns would have loved you You might have the potential for a good book there. Tiger McGee basically sold his note books. View Quote My Dad, wife, students, and co-workers all want me to write a book. I don't know if I want to though. |
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Great point about cold shots. I need to work that data up for my hunting rifle.
A guy I shot a match with was just pasting his targets into a regular notebook and making any notes he need right there. I find the simpler I make a task, the more likely I am to do it. I thought that process pretty well stripped it down while preserving the most important data. |
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Dayyyyumnnn thats an ugly ass thumb!
Good info tweeter, I like this new "series" you guys are making, if you will. Makes the AR Basics forum ALOT more valuable for new shooters. I do the same with recording data that I feel is important. Can't tell you how many times I was "happy I wrote that down" |
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Ah great idea. Totally forgot about range books.
I don't have any real precision guns so I don't have a need for super indepth records at this point. But once I finally get around to that bolt gun... As of right now I most just write down the gun, the brand etc, serial number and what it is zeroed with and at what distance and what sights. After that I update it with each outing with the round count and types of ammo used. If I make a modification to the gun, add a part change a part etc. If anything particular stood out. Overall Preformance of the gun and ammo if I'm shooting groups. If a malfunction occurs I can see if anything lead up to it. What ammo the gun likes. Like I know my 10/22 loves 36gr CCI mini mags and hates 36gr Winchester (at least iirc). This has been more helpful with handguns for me. I had a sig that got sent back to the factory twice in 3 weeks brand new. Lots of notes, round counts and ammo detailing what was happening. And Tweeter, is that a green menurandom pad? I grabbed a bunch of those when I got out and when I ran out I typed in the NSN and found where I could order more |
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Your penmanship is fantastic, but your "bore off-set" diagram is incorrect. The bore-line does not run parallel to the line-of-sight. Attached File Courtesy of zrxc77. .... |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
Your penmanship is fantastic, but your "bore off-set" diagram is incorrect. The bore-line does not run parallel to the line-of-sight. https://app.box.com/shared/static/vm2nmr2buk5mq7z2qm7qeq1x5xcnydwn.jpg Courtesy of zrxc77. .... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By tweeter:
explaining bore offset: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t457/dead-drop/Page%201_zpsymot2uox.jpg Your penmanship is fantastic, but your "bore off-set" diagram is incorrect. The bore-line does not run parallel to the line-of-sight. https://app.box.com/shared/static/vm2nmr2buk5mq7z2qm7qeq1x5xcnydwn.jpg Courtesy of zrxc77. .... I have a copy of that as well. What you saw is a tool I use to explain with the sights set at parallel to the bore, a sight that is not zeroed. I have another for a zeroed sight at a distant target, and yet another for a close target. I uh, deal with students... they need drawings. But you guys do have me thinking about doing a shooting coloring book. It would be both fun and informative. I explain the drawing to the student, it's not really meant to stand on it's own. I just made the drawing because I got tired of sketching in the dirt for folks that need an explanation of how the sights work with a bullet travelling from the bore. |
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Originally Posted By tweeter: I have a copy of that as well. What you saw is a tool I use to explain with the sights set at parallel to the bore. I have another for a zeroed sight at a distant target, and yet another for a close target. I uh, deal with students... they need drawings. But you guys do have me thinking about doing a shooting coloring book. It would be both fun and informative. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tweeter: Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By tweeter: explaining bore offset: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t457/dead-drop/Page%201_zpsymot2uox.jpg Your penmanship is fantastic, but your "bore off-set" diagram is incorrect. The bore-line does not run parallel to the line-of-sight. https://app.box.com/shared/static/vm2nmr2buk5mq7z2qm7qeq1x5xcnydwn.jpg Courtesy of zrxc77. .... I have a copy of that as well. What you saw is a tool I use to explain with the sights set at parallel to the bore. I have another for a zeroed sight at a distant target, and yet another for a close target. I uh, deal with students... they need drawings. But you guys do have me thinking about doing a shooting coloring book. It would be both fun and informative. With your skills, you should do something along the lines of the Vietnam era M16 comic-manual . . . Attached File .... |
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Originally Posted By Molon:...
With your skills, you should do something along the lines of the Vietnam era M16 comic-manual . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/emiedwl7gobcx5fj3hztvsfbzfkw79ai.jpg .... View Quote Maybe a pop-up book, where you pull a tab and watch the bolt cycle... like that. |
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Some people just wanna watch the world burn.
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Originally Posted By Molon:
With your skills, you should do something along the lines of the Vietnam era M16 comic-manual . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/emiedwl7gobcx5fj3hztvsfbzfkw79ai.jpg .... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By tweeter:
explaining bore offset: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t457/dead-drop/Page%201_zpsymot2uox.jpg Your penmanship is fantastic, but your "bore off-set" diagram is incorrect. The bore-line does not run parallel to the line-of-sight. https://app.box.com/shared/static/vm2nmr2buk5mq7z2qm7qeq1x5xcnydwn.jpg Courtesy of zrxc77. .... I have a copy of that as well. What you saw is a tool I use to explain with the sights set at parallel to the bore. I have another for a zeroed sight at a distant target, and yet another for a close target. I uh, deal with students... they need drawings. But you guys do have me thinking about doing a shooting coloring book. It would be both fun and informative. With your skills, you should do something along the lines of the Vietnam era M16 comic-manual . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/emiedwl7gobcx5fj3hztvsfbzfkw79ai.jpg .... You say Vietnam era but they look the exact same today. |
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Originally Posted By nickforney:
You say Vietnam era but they look the exact same today. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By nickforney:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By tweeter:
explaining bore offset: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t457/dead-drop/Page%201_zpsymot2uox.jpg Your penmanship is fantastic, but your "bore off-set" diagram is incorrect. The bore-line does not run parallel to the line-of-sight. https://app.box.com/shared/static/vm2nmr2buk5mq7z2qm7qeq1x5xcnydwn.jpg Courtesy of zrxc77. .... I have a copy of that as well. What you saw is a tool I use to explain with the sights set at parallel to the bore. I have another for a zeroed sight at a distant target, and yet another for a close target. I uh, deal with students... they need drawings. But you guys do have me thinking about doing a shooting coloring book. It would be both fun and informative. With your skills, you should do something along the lines of the Vietnam era M16 comic-manual . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/emiedwl7gobcx5fj3hztvsfbzfkw79ai.jpg .... You say Vietnam era but they look the exact same today. I think the sweet 16 comic/manual came out in 1968, that's prob what he meant by Vietnam era |
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In the absence of a plan, move toward the sound of gunfire and kill everything.
If it aint a clone or the gun being cloned, it aint shit. |
Some people just wanna watch the world burn.
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I think the sweet 16 comic/manual came out in 1968, that's prob what he meant by Vietnam era View Quote Oh sure Im just saying Preventative maintenance pamphlets are sitting at your QC or armorers desk today that are in the exact same style its pretty cool. PS magazine 60 years here |
And just like that we were whole again...And there was much jubilation.
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Originally Posted By BillyDoubleU:
Here is a whole mess of data sheets you can look through. Sniper Data Sheets From This thread View Quote Data sheets are great and all but the ones that are most valuable are the ones you never see in the sexy sniper data books. Rounds fired (to include type/weight), record of cleaning, and record of maintenance. I always just sorta put my own data books together, never really found a commercial one that worked well for me. |
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Originally Posted By tweeter: Data sheets are great and all but the ones that are most valuable are the ones you never see in the sexy sniper data books. Rounds fired (to include type/weight), View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tweeter: Originally Posted By BillyDoubleU: Here is a whole mess of data sheets you can look through. Sniper Data Sheets From This thread Data sheets are great and all but the ones that are most valuable are the ones you never see in the sexy sniper data books. Rounds fired (to include type/weight), This is where computers shine . . . Attached File Attached File Attached File .... |
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Originally Posted By Molon:
This is where computers shine . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/eh1n6jktf1ixfvbtoc37h8n30ixjpbsc.jpg .... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By BillyDoubleU:
Here is a whole mess of data sheets you can look through. Sniper Data Sheets From This thread Data sheets are great and all but the ones that are most valuable are the ones you never see in the sexy sniper data books. Rounds fired (to include type/weight), This is where computers shine . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/eh1n6jktf1ixfvbtoc37h8n30ixjpbsc.jpg .... I'm still wary of putting stuff on computers in cash a crash. Anything I want to make sure I keep I hand write. And like Tweeter mentioned, the fancy sheets were what someone else wanted for their data sheets. It's good to see what others did so you know how to set up what you might want initially. Then as with anything else, the more experience you get you'll know what it is you want in your book. |
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Originally Posted By BillyDoubleU:
I'm still wary of putting stuff on computers in cash a crash. Anything I want to make sure I keep I hand write. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BillyDoubleU:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By BillyDoubleU:
Here is a whole mess of data sheets you can look through. Sniper Data Sheets From This thread Data sheets are great and all but the ones that are most valuable are the ones you never see in the sexy sniper data books. Rounds fired (to include type/weight), This is where computers shine . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/eh1n6jktf1ixfvbtoc37h8n30ixjpbsc.jpg .... I'm still wary of putting stuff on computers in cash a crash. Anything I want to make sure I keep I hand write. Two easy solutions: 1. Back-up hard-drives, CDs, DVDs, flash-drives, etc 2. Simply print-out each new "page" and keep all the paper documents in a binder |
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Originally Posted By Molon: Your penmanship is fantastic, but your "bore off-set" diagram is incorrect. The bore-line does not run parallel to the line-of-sight. https://app.box.com/shared/static/vm2nmr2buk5mq7z2qm7qeq1x5xcnydwn.jpg Courtesy of zrxc77. .... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By tweeter: explaining bore offset: http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t457/dead-drop/Page%201_zpsymot2uox.jpg Your penmanship is fantastic, but your "bore off-set" diagram is incorrect. The bore-line does not run parallel to the line-of-sight. https://app.box.com/shared/static/vm2nmr2buk5mq7z2qm7qeq1x5xcnydwn.jpg Courtesy of zrxc77. .... |
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Thanks Tweeter, that last post will definitely be referenced when the weather allows me to bring my girl to the range. She has held a number of firearms, before we were together, but has never fired a single round. She's very interested and we've only yet covered responsible gun handling.
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Originally Posted By Headbarcode:
Thanks Tweeter, that last post will definitely be referenced when the weather allows me to bring my girl to the range. She has held a number of firearms, before we were together, but has never fired a single round. She's very interested and we've only yet covered responsible gun handling. View Quote The ballpoint pen thing works with new shooters, I have them roll the pen and if they feel like it to mark their fingertip with a line where they think that flat part is. It really helps kinesthetic learners, those people that learn best by "doing" rather than listening, seeing, or reading and writing. |
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Originally Posted By Tacshooter223: If my penmanship looked half as good as yours I'd be writing a lot more too haha. In all reality, good examples. Seems like some good, pertinent info. View Quote My comment is on your penmanship and precise drawings too! See too many people that misspell their own name and can't read their own writing----what a world we are leaving our children/ grandchildren. |
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As a former architectural draftsman and retired engineer, your penmanship is outstanding
The quality of notes you take are basically what I take I like details and data, data is invaluable.....in my former line of work, I am retired now, data was king |
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