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2/21/2016 11:49:02 PM EDT
I hereby guarantee that Krieger AR-15 barrels can produce sub-1/10th-MOA accuracy at 100 yards with match grade ammunition.*  As proof, the group pictured below was fired from one of my 24" Krieger barreled AR-15s at a distance of 100 yards.  The group has an extreme spread of 0.084 MOA.




















The next group pictured was fired from another one of my 24" Krieger barreled AR-15s, also from a distance of 100 yards.  This group has an extreme spread of 0.079 MOA.  Since both of these barrels were able to produce sub-1/10th-MOA groups, they can surely be expected to produce this level of precision . . . all . . . day . . . long.

























*  If your 24" Krieger barrel fails to produce sub-1/10th-MOA accuracy with match grade ammunition, Eric802 will personally refund you the exact amount of money that you paid me for this review.

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2/21/2016 11:52:24 PM EDT
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LOL..Good one...
2/21/2016 11:55:46 PM EDT
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I haven't seen a Krieger on top of the MOA All Day list before. Go git it!
2/21/2016 11:56:41 PM EDT
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What barrel length, twist rate and chamber?
2/21/2016 11:59:01 PM EDT
[#4]
Blitzkings can be nasty little buggers.

Had a 50 and 40grn load with H322 that was seemingly magic for 3 and sometimes 5 shot groups.

Mixed brass and thrown from the measure it was a solid SubMOA performer for 10 shots.

Not commenting on the groups in picture or intent of this thread as to do so confuses me.
2/22/2016 12:00:24 AM EDT
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24" barrel with a 5.56mm Match chamber and a 1:7.7" twist.



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2/22/2016 12:24:29 AM EDT
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Let me guess.  This has to do with a three round group claiming accuracy and companies that claim MOA Guarantee based off of that.
2/22/2016 12:46:34 AM EDT
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Ya think?
2/22/2016 5:17:44 AM EDT
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Let me guess.  This has to do with a three round group claiming accuracy and companies that claim MOA Guarantee based off of that.
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And I hope a GREAT thread is in the works from Molon about this.


 
2/22/2016 7:10:36 AM EDT
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my 1-shot groups are usually sub MOA.  Not always, but usually.
2/22/2016 7:17:14 AM EDT
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Krieger barrels are extremely accurate barrels. We used them exclusively in Barrett rifles till they couldn't keep up with monthly demands. We ended up going to someone else  for the bolt gun barrels.
2/22/2016 9:08:46 PM EDT
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Sub-1/10th-MOA is sub-1/10th-MOA!



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2/22/2016 11:11:04 PM EDT
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Somewhat off topic, but I remember hearing a guy complain that his new kreiger barrel must already be shot out as he repeatedly missed the target.
2/22/2016 11:41:16 PM EDT
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Good ol' Precision vs. Accuracy argument.



 
2/22/2016 11:53:38 PM EDT
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Sub-1/10th-MOA is sub-1/10th-MOA!



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Sub-1/10th-MOA is sub-1/10th-MOA!



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Or you could always pull the scam of moving the target up much closer and claiming your 3 round group was at 100.
2/22/2016 11:55:30 PM EDT
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Another statistically significant sample of one!  Outstanding!
2/23/2016 1:26:43 AM EDT
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I love it.
2/23/2016 4:23:11 AM EDT
[#17]
Your gas tube to gas key alignment must've been perfect.. Bravo!
2/23/2016 4:35:33 AM EDT
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Sub-1/10th-MOA is sub-1/10th-MOA!



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Or you could always pull the scam of moving the target up much closer and claiming your 3 round group was at 100.


What about poking holes in your target with a pencil?
2/23/2016 5:14:02 AM EDT
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Get one that fits your AR's barrel. Sub 0.1 MOA is sub 0.1 MOA!







 
2/23/2016 7:51:03 AM EDT
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well now that would be lying, know wouldn't it
2/23/2016 8:07:56 AM EDT
[#21]
I half expected to see a one-shot group.
2/23/2016 9:32:40 AM EDT
[#22]
How's the gun set up, Molon?

Standard 20-something power scope like you do on your other threads?
2/23/2016 10:11:24 AM EDT
[#23]
But.... what can it do with Wolf ?



( Lol )
2/23/2016 10:25:56 AM EDT
[#24]
You and Larue must party like animals

Txl
2/23/2016 10:44:23 AM EDT
[#25]
Ok, I get your point, and I know that 3 shot groups are statistically irrelevant, and people cherry pick them to post online.....but that's still really impressive nonetheless.
2/23/2016 10:45:09 AM EDT
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Sub-1/10th-MOA is sub-1/10th-MOA!



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Or you could always pull the scam of moving the target up much closer and claiming your 3 round group was at 100.


What about poking holes in your target with a pencil?

And using Sharpie for the grease rings?
2/23/2016 10:49:42 AM EDT
[#27]
I can't make that kind of group with my kreiger barrel, but it's pretty damned good.
2/23/2016 9:44:36 PM EDT
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2/23/2016 10:20:08 PM EDT
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Love these tounge in cheek threads, may all shotshow industry denizens pushing the pork feel the crispy burn.

I'll play along for keeps though: Molon, how's the front rest set up?  Is the underside of the handguard just resting atop?  I notice that the rear bag lets the rifle move.  Do you shoulder it?

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2/23/2016 10:23:26 PM EDT
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Love these tounge in cheek threads, may all shotshow industry denizens pushing the pork feel the crispy burn.

I'll play along for keeps though: Molon, how's the front rest set up?  Is the underside of the handguard just resting atop?  I notice that the rear bag lets the rifle move.  Do you shoulder it?

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I use "forend adaptors" when shooting a railed handguard from a bench-rest.  I shoulder it and I've gotten the most consistency from using a real hard hold.  Others will advise you differently.  Use what works for you.
2/23/2016 10:25:08 PM EDT
[#31]
That is a beautiful gun.

Thank you Molon.
2/24/2016 3:38:42 PM EDT
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Exactly my point, yet there are those that do it (not Molon).  
2/24/2016 5:06:12 PM EDT
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well now that would be lying, now wouldn't it



Exactly my point, yet there are those that do it (not Molon).
 




Here's an example of that.  What's also amusing about it, is that there are some people in that thread that actually believed it was true.



100 Yard, 30 round Group


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2/24/2016 7:36:39 PM EDT
[#34]
I have a sneaking suspicion about this thread, but I don't know what it's referring to.

Help?
2/25/2016 8:10:59 AM EDT
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Making fun of the 3-shot "groupers", and those who worry to much about a manufacturer's "accuracy guarantee".



 
2/25/2016 9:09:52 AM EDT
[#36]
You are obviously lying as I have been too numerous times that a fast twist won't shoot the light bullets well. Even your twist is confused it doesn't know whether it wants to be a 7 or 8.


Keep your trolling in GD
2/25/2016 9:32:13 AM EDT
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Stayed in WI though didn't you?

All the best barrels come from WI
2/25/2016 10:04:47 AM EDT
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Stayed in WI though didn't you?

All the best barrels come from WI

No. They came from a vendor locally. Don't work at Barrett anymore, so don't know if they still use the local guy anymore.
2/25/2016 10:52:58 AM EDT
[#39]
Note to self: must return defective kreiger barrel
2/25/2016 11:16:04 AM EDT
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I hereby guarantee that Krieger AR-15 barrels can produce sub-1/10th-MOA accuracy at 100 yards with match grade ammunition.*  As proof, the group pictured below was fired from one of my 24" Krieger barreled AR-15s at a distance of 100 yards.




https://app.box.com/shared/static/kicpjnbss3.jpg




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*  If your 24" Krieger barrel fails to produce sub-1/10th-MOA accuracy with match grade ammunition, Eric802 will personally refund you the exact amount of money that you paid me for this review.

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That said, your Krieger was much better than your Walther, based on the groups you're posting.
2/25/2016 1:54:53 PM EDT
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Molon has me chasing groups.  
I'll be working out with a WOA 22-inch match barrel this weekend.  I just hope the wind stays down.
2/25/2016 1:57:30 PM EDT
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Molon has me chasing groups now.  I'll be working out with a WOA 22-inch match barrel this weekend.  I just hope the wind stays down.
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That said, your Krieger was much better than your Walther, based on the groups you're posting.


Molon has me chasing groups now.  I'll be working out with a WOA 22-inch match barrel this weekend.  I just hope the wind stays down.

I'm getting better groups with my daniel defense and 4x optic than he is with that Walther he's got, using some ammunition. I don't handload, so I can't compete with the tailored ammo groups he's shooting, but I know he's a better trigger puller than I am, and hte fact that I'm getting better 10 shot groups with a CHF chrome-lined .gov barrel and 4x optic than he is with a rest and a 25x scope tells me that Walther barrel is rather "meh". At least, that's my interpretation of events. His Kreiger was on point.
2/25/2016 3:48:09 PM EDT
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Making fun of the 3-shot "groupers", and those who worry to much about a manufacturer's "accuracy guarantee".
 
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I have a sneaking suspicion about this thread, but I don't know what it's referring to.

Help?

Making fun of the 3-shot "groupers", and those who worry to much about a manufacturer's "accuracy guarantee".
 


So... people that don't know the value of math or statistics-in-action.  Got it.

Thanks.
2/26/2016 5:36:28 PM EDT
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This thread has given me the best laugh I've had in a long time.   Nice to have some levity here.
3/2/2016 2:05:04 AM EDT
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3/6/2016 2:20:33 PM EDT
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So... people that don't know the value of math or statistics-in-action.  

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Or just plain old common sense.


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3/6/2016 3:24:06 PM EDT
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Thanks for the practice Molon.  I shot a perfect score at league yesterday.  At 100 yards, Four 1" pasters from a rest and one shot at a 3" gong standing unsupported.  At 200 yards, Four 2" gongs rested and one shot at an 8" gong standing unsupported.

I've gone 9 for 10 before but that 3" target unsupported is a bitch.
3/10/2016 10:24:35 PM EDT
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Thanks for the practice Molon.  I shot a perfect score at league yesterday.  At 100 yards, Four 1" pasters from a rest and one shot at a 3" gong standing unsupported.  At 200 yards, Four 2" gongs rested and one shot at an 8" gong standing unsupported.

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Strong work!  


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3/11/2016 5:15:27 AM EDT
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I meant to post that in the "quarter MOA" thread
3/14/2016 9:45:19 PM EDT
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That first sentence makes more sense now.


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