Posted: 11/13/2004 8:00:41 PM EDT
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Who played a better Wyatt Earp in your opinion. Personally I think Tombstone is one of the best movies in my collection. opinions please. |
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I can't believe you mentioned those 2 actors in the same sentence. Kevin Costner doesn't act, he interprets. And he couldn't pick a good role to save his life, with the possible exception of 'Dances with Wolves' - which I only admit to watching for the purpose of making my point. 
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Plus he is a Pro-2nd Conservative. |
I have said about the same thing and still believe Costner is just not a very good actor. I don’t think he was all that impressive in “Dances with Wolves” it is a beautifully shot movie but Costner just isn’t that good… BUT Costner is very good in Open Range, he shows he can actually act and direct. No contest on Wyatt Earp: 1. Kurt Russell 2. Henry Fonda 3. James Garner 4. Burt Lancaster 5. Kevin Costner |
He should have gotten an Oscar for that role! All the actors in the movie were exceptional but Val Kilmer made the movie. "Why Ike, Whatever do you mean?" "Let's have a spelling contest!" "Come Darling, Let us seek our entertainment elsewhere" "Not me , I'm in my Prime". |
I just disagree if Earp had been like Costner portrayed him he would have wound up dead. But to each his own... |
I was going to suggest adding a poll, but why bother:
Absolutely.
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I love them both. But I've gotta say I prefer the movie Wyatt Earp to Tombstone. Tombstone just didn't have the plot Wyatt Earp had. Tombstone didn't really tell you who the Earps were or what they came from. Wyatt Earp did. It was just a better thought out movie IMHO. I liked Val as Doc, but Dennis Quaid was no slouch either. The Kilmer "Doc" had some catchy lines, but Quaid's "Doc" seemed the meanest. And he had some cool lines too. My favorite was "all of you can kiss my rebel dick"! Ahhhh, hell with debating it. Show them both, back to back. Over and over again. I can watch those movies all day and never get tired of them. |
" I have not yet begun to defile myself." "I'm your huckleberry" |
My thoughts exactly. I prefer "Wyatt Earp" all around, but whenever either movie is on TV, I watch it. |
| Tombstone was a far, far superior movie to Costner's Wyatt Earp, but I do have to say that I liked Costner's performance as Earp a bit more than Russel's. Not that Russel's was bad, but Costner seemed a bit more somber and ferocious in the role. My ideal movie would have been combining the first half of Wyatt Earp with all of Tombstone, with Kilmer as Doc Holliday and Costner as Earp. |
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Kurt Russel wins, by sheer virtue of his moustache alone. He could even give Sam Elliots moustache a run for it's money, but Sam's woulds still win... heh). tHell he even *looks* like the real Wyatt Earp. Costner isn't as bad as people often slam him for, but he's better off as a bumbling joe shmoe (Dances with wolves) than anything else. (He was good as the goofball cowboy in Silverado) Tombstone had one of the bests casts of any movie i've ever seen. Even the small parts were good. Powers Booth, Jason Priestly, that guy from "Wings"... Yes, Kilmer's Doc was one of the all time screen roles in the history of cinema. Too bad that was the last really good movie he was in. |
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Frederic Fucking Chopin! www.essentialsofmusic.com/composer/chopin.html Val Kilmer stole the movie. As for Costner acting, what about Bull Durham or No Way Out? |
| Kurt Russell is a much better actor. Costner is so one-dimensional. Just change his costume and he reads his lines. The Costner Earp movie may be more historically accurate as some have said. Only saw it once so not sure. As for historical accuracy I can say that in the Tombstone movie (written by Kevin Jarre) the Bird Cage did not exist until the Earp’s last year in Tombstone. Judge Spicer was not in Tombstone when the Earps first got there as I recall reading. Fred White was 34 years old when he was shot in the nuts by Curley Bill and died a few days later after saying it was an accident that the gun discharged. Milt Joice was not friendly with the Earps and may have been friends with the cowboys. And Johnny Tyler – who Wyatt slaps around in the Oriental shows up slapping Doc around in Denver 8 or so years later when Doc was broke and destitute and close to death by TB. But what made the Tombstone movie was the exploration of the conflict between Doc and Ringo. Doc describes both the dark side of Ringo and himself to Wyatt. This is Kevin Jarre at his best. Recommend everybody interested read Casey Tefertilers (SP) book on Wyatt Earp and a range of new books published since these movies came out. I have visited Tombstone 10 or so times and it was a blast every time. The thing that stands out is how remote it is from civilization. Some people are relocating there as a retirement community too. Hope everyone gets to take the Western trip some time and puts Tombstone on the list. Lastly, my favorite line is " I have two guns, one for each of you" . |
Not really. A lot of the Costner movie seems to have been taken from Wyatt Earp: Frontier Marshall, by Stuart Lake, a sensationalist biography that has been long discredited as totally inaccurate. |
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