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Posted: 3/21/2012 12:05:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: Yeah im a shill. Just like these dudes are a shill for their buddy. Are you a shill for them. I support folks that support me. That's exactly what you are, and not even in a subtle way. Your joining this forum coincided with the most recent Facebook flareup between John Willis and this board and its members and a full 50% of your posts here have been in support of John Willis and OSOE, with plenty of those implying that this is all a "smear campaign" that has been unfairly fabricated against John Willis. That's okay, since this site allows people to do that as long as they stay within the rules of the site's Conduct Code, but let's not pretend that you just happened to be a member of this site who likes OSOE and thought John wasn't getting a fair shake. Your intentions here have been very clear from the start. |
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Posted: 3/15/2012 2:57:44 PM EDT
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SOE tactical gear makes one, if you have balls enough to do business with a slime all like John Willis. Otherwise, look at BDS tactical or Tactical Tailor..they are top quality in my humble opinion.
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:08:45 PM EDT
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Hands down John at OSOE, no balls needed just brains and integrity.
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:09:32 PM EDT
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SOE tactical gear makes one, if you want the best stuff from a freaking awesome dude like John Willis. Fixed |
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:15:58 PM EDT
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SOE tactical gear makes one, if you want the best stuff from a freaking awesome dude like John Willis. Fixed Agreed!!! |
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:17:28 PM EDT
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Order from OSOE
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:24:21 PM EDT
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SOE tactical gear makes one, if you have balls enough to do business with a slime all like John Willis. Otherwise, look at BDS tactical or Tactical Tailor..they are top quality in my humble opinion. You couldn't be farther from the truth. |
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:26:08 PM EDT
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I never thought about a tacticool phone case before. I looked at all 3 mentioned here and I cant find one on BDS' web site, I don't like the Malice clip used on Tactical Tailor's , the OSOE one has a few options. But I run a Droid not an iPhone.
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:26:17 PM EDT
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I beg to differ...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_109/929579_John_Willis__OSOE.html |
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:45:44 PM EDT
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And your one post of what looks like photo shopped emails that you are not able to hot link matters why? I have always had the best of luck ordering from John. I have never had his gear fail on me, and being in the service i put my gear through harsher treatment than most people will.
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:46:52 PM EDT
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I beg to differ... http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_109/929579_John_Willis__OSOE.html Wow, that dude seems like a douche. Looks like a good deal of people have got the shaft from him. No reason to take the risk when there are other, more reputable vendors around. |
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Posted: 3/15/2012 5:58:49 PM EDT
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I've dealt with John both in trade and $. I've never had any of the issues that have been described on this board. Not saying these people are liars but John has always been great on the phone and email.
I think that John, like a lot of us, is sick of the constant bullshit that people have been dishing out over the years. I can't say I blame him for calling out these people. Maybe if they were called out when they were children it wouldn't have to be done to them as an adult. |
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Posted: 3/15/2012 6:11:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: And your one post of what looks like photo shopped emails that you are not able to hot link matters why? I have always had the best of luck ordering from John. I have never had his gear fail on me, and being in the service i put my gear through harsher treatment than most people will. Thanks for your service...I'm a disabled vet and I have put my gear to the test as well..sorry for not being able to hotlink..I'll put that on my list of critical issues to deal with so you won't have to open a new tab and copy and paste. I've dealt with him myself...I got good gear but he's a prick and a thief..bottom line, if he was a standout dude, he wouldn't be banned from ARF.com I won't spend any money on someone like that, because it's very apparent he won't be taking the profit from that sale and paying the dude the 500 bucks he stole from him 5 years ago and even told that guy recently that he has no intention to. If I had any knowledge of his character and lack of honor, I would never have given him a f'n Penney to begin with.. |
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Posted: 3/15/2012 6:14:02 PM EDT
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<Issue has been handled - Z>
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Posted: 3/15/2012 6:49:24 PM EDT
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<Issue has been handled - Z>
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Posted: 3/15/2012 6:58:38 PM EDT
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first thing i thought of was http://www.kifaru.net/gps_mil.html
although i'm not sure how well it would hold the otter box. i don't see actual dimensions there but shoot them the question and i'm sure they'll answer. |
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Posted: 3/15/2012 7:24:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: <Issue has been handled - Z> Why don't we agree to disagree and leave it at that...I would rather do that than drag an argument out...it's possible he has changed or even paid that dude back...I'm sure you have strong character as do I. Peace.. |
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Posted: 3/15/2012 7:26:34 PM EDT
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Original Special Operations Equipment (OSOE) and John Willis are good to go...period.
Buy with confidence. http://originalsoegear.com/phonepouch.html 
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Posted: 3/15/2012 9:22:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/15/2012 11:37:27 PM EDT
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If you want a bespoke pouch for the iPhone, then take a look at OSOE. I own several pieces of Willis' gear, purchased directly from him, and they are very nice.
Another option, if you want more versatility at lower cost and similar quality, is the Paraclete Large Flash Bang Pouch. My wife's iPhone fits comfortably in it, as does my clunky, ancient Crackberry. Not sure of the dimensions of your Otter Box, but the Grenade Pouch is larger. I can jam a Pelican 1010 in it. I own both pouches, and they are superb. Although they are listed as "Used," mine came brand new and un-issued, with white chalk marks still visible behind the stitching. Available in any color of the rainbow, as long as it is Smoke Green. Just a note about ordering from Uncle Sam's Retail Outlet, they use UPS rates, so shipping will run at least $10. But they ship fast, and package your items very well. No affiliation or financial interest. |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:11:19 AM EDT
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even simpler... Blue Forge Gear ten-speed single M4 mag pouch is what i ended up using in afghan last year
you can kinda see my Iphone 4 with a Magpul case in the pouch here, i used to put it in there to hold it for faster access or to play music as we were clearing parts of base and what not. worked out pretty good 
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:26:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Original Special Operations Equipment (OSOE) and John Willis are good to go...period. Buy with confidence. http://originalsoegear.com/phonepouch.html http://originalsoegear.com/assets/genpurpose/smartphonepouch.jpg I know a guy personally Willis gave the run around on getting around on filling an order with and it happened recently, so no, he's not "good to go...period" Anyway I ordered one of these but don't have it yet. It might be a bit large for an iphone, not sure. Tactical tailor sells a ipod sized pouch that would probably work but it has a sort of plastic belt loop clip, not molle loops. It will clip to mollee loops though |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 10:41:06 AM EDT
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Uh oh somebody posted something positive about SOE and the we hate JW and SOE team is on the case.
Run around? I ordered some of his stuff last week and had it in less than a week and im in Europe. And never had an issue when ordering stateside or deployed. The issue they speak of is damn near the better part of a decade old. |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 11:15:04 AM EDT
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Some real cry babies in here. Ive ordered countless product from SOE, Even ordered something while being on the road. Didnt make it due to post issues and John took care of me and sent me another one!
SOE good to go! keep the sand from your pussy! |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 11:45:24 AM EDT
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I have had a positive transaction with John. But the horror stories and his past and present shenanigans are reason enough to go with someone else. There is no shortage of companies/people with stellar reputations in this business.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 11:51:32 AM EDT
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And another we hate JW and team member has thrown clandestine -1.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 11:54:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Uh oh somebody posted something positive about SOE and the we hate JW and SOE team is on the case. Run around? I ordered some of his stuff last week and had it in less than a week and im in Europe. And never had an issue when ordering stateside or deployed. The issue they speak of is damn near the better part of a decade old. Yeah took forever to get an order filled, guy I know came up to me last week telling me about it out of the blue. |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 12:00:21 PM EDT
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I really don't know how so many people have issues. Must not know how to follow directions. Or is asking him to build something ridiculous. I have gotten my stuff from him w/. no issues, quickly.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 12:09:07 PM EDT
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If I could ( im not due to Personal info) post the tracking info from usps I would. I mean I was surprised that it took 6 days to get from TN to Italy. Shit it takes give or take 10 days or more from the "more reputable" Tactical Tailor to get from WA to GA.. Thats if its in stock, they bother to tell you, have to cancel your order, and find a distributor to get the item faster.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 1:08:35 PM EDT
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Your item arrived at ––––- on March 15, 2012 at 9:00 am. You can inquire about the status of your item by clicking CUSTOMER INQUIRY –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Depart USPS Sort Facility, March 12, 2012, KEARNY, NJ ––––- Dispatched from USPS International Service Center, March 12, 2012, 9:37 am, KEARNY, NJ ––––- Electronic Shipping Info Received, March 10, 2012 Processed at USPS Origin Sort Facility, March 09, 2012, 9:00 pm, ZIP Code ––––- Accepted at USPS Origin Sort Facility, March 09, 2012, 7:45 pm, CAMDEN, TN ––––- Acceptance, March 09, 2012, 2:36 pm, CAMDEN, TN ––––- Copied and pasted from usps , My order was placed march 9th I removed it from the mailbox on the afternoon of the 15th. Across the Atlantic from the SOE. |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 1:18:13 PM EDT
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Oh and after i placed my order it took 2hrs and 25 min between order confirmation from soe and shipment confirmation from soe.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 1:27:21 PM EDT
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Payment is thru paypal. Please make sure to copy/paste the provided quote
into paypal notes. DO NOT USE THE E-CHECK OPTION. 1 $75.00 Multicam - 6x Shingle Multicam 1 $60.00 NSWADM1MC - NSW Admin Panel MC Multicam ===================================================================== Subtotal: $135.00 Shipping and Handling: $12.00 Paypal + 4% ––––$5.88 Total: $152.88 Comments: Please include the above info into your paypal transfer as well as include your current and correct shipping info OR IT WILL DELAY SHIPPING YOUR ORDER. Use this Paypal: ––––––––––––––––––––––––.com Please let us know when you have completed the paypal transfer and we will ship your order. John Willis www.SOEtacticalgear.com Follow SOE on face book: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Special-Operations-Equipment/372313363858 ––––-Original Message––––- From: –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: New Online Order Order Date: Thursday, March 8th 2012 Bill To: –––––––– Ship To: –––––––– Qty Price($) Product ID - Product Name ===================================================================== 1 $75.00 Multicam - 6x Shingle Multicam 1 $60.00 NSWADM1MC - NSW Admin Panel MC Multicam ===================================================================== Subtotal: $135.00 Shipping and Handling: Paypal + 4% Total: $135.00 Comments: ––––––––- |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 1:29:55 PM EDT
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A package was shipped to you on 03/09/2012 via U.S. Postal Service Priority
Mail to the following address: ––––––––––––––––––––––- ––––––––––––––––––––––- ––––––––––––––––––––––- The following optional services were used: None The package's Delivery Confirmation ID is –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– To check the delivery status of your package at any time please visit: ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- or the U.S. Postal Service's web-site: http:/––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- Amanda Willis Original S.O.E. *********************************************************************** NOTE: This e-mail was generated by DYMO Endicia Internet Postage (www.Endicia.com) at the sender's request. DO NOT CONTACT DYMO Endicia if you have any questions about the shipment or the package delivery. Please contact the sender of this e-mail or the U.S. Postal Service if you have questions about the package delivery. |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 1:52:32 PM EDT
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If I could ( im not due to Personal info) post the tracking info from usps I would. I mean I was surprised that it took 6 days to get from TN to Italy. Shit it takes give or take 10 days or more from the "more reputable" Tactical Tailor to get from WA to GA.. Thats if its in stock, they bother to tell you, have to cancel your order, and find a distributor to get the item faster. Really? You're gonna italicize "more reputable" when talking about Tactical Tailor? They are local to me and do alot for the joes stationed here at JBLM. ETA: OP order what you want. I know plenty of guys here who will absolutely NOT order from Botach. But a friend of mine ordered the aimpoint PRO from them and got prompt shipping with all the swag they stated they would give. (free pmag I think) |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:00:17 PM EDT
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What ever emails from however many years ago posted on this site to attempt to discredit SOE can be doctored just like I could have doctored these (i did not except for removing my address name and zip codes). Any time someone posts something about SOE on this site the SAME people tear into them."Reputable" dealers in the 10 yrs I have been buying commercial gear (the previous 5 yrs before that you were wearing Issue ALICE or that horrid LBV no excuses) have given me more issues than SOE with the exception of TYR tactical. Tactical Tailor = atrocious customer service and nothing is ever in stock; their catalog hasn't changed in 10 yrs except fight light which Im skeptical about. Ditched 3 FL universal mag pouches for a SOE 6 mag shingle, EMDOM=good enough cheap Asian made gear and again it might be in stock , Blackhawk= cool 10 yrs ago, BDS wore their Vehicle operator chest rig for a year overseas and hated every day of it looked good on the site but was beyond uncomfortable and hurt to wear. Call me an soe fanboy I gives a fuck I found gear that works. And some mall ninjas that wear Tac gear to their local range on the weekend with shemaghs wrapped around their neck who dont worry about rounds coming their way. And airsofters, etc get their feelings hurt by him when they cant get what they want they come on here and talk shit anytime anything positive is mentioned about SOE.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:06:08 PM EDT
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Tactical tailor makes good gear dont get me wrong, and im sure if you walk in and are able to shop around great, never been to Lewis and my orders with them have been on line and everytime something goes wrong. OP he is right order what you want. I just wanted to tell you there is a team of folks on here that constantly discredit SOE any time that name comes up. I own and use several different company's gear regardless of their issues. It is all getting replaced by soe as time goes on.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:35:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: What ever emails from however many years ago posted on this site to attempt to discredit SOE can be doctored just like I could have doctored these (i did not except for removing my address name and zip codes). Any time someone posts something about SOE on this site the SAME people tear into them."Reputable" dealers in the 10 yrs I have been buying commercial gear (the previous 5 yrs before that you were wearing Issue ALICE or that horrid LBV no excuses) have given me more issues than SOE with the exception of TYR tactical. Tactical Tailor = atrocious customer service and nothing is ever in stock; their catalog hasn't changed in 10 yrs except fight light which Im skeptical about. Ditched 3 FL universal mag pouches for a SOE 6 mag shingle, EMDOM=good enough cheap Asian made gear and again it might be in stock , Blackhawk= cool 10 yrs ago, BDS wore their Vehicle operator chest rig for a year overseas and hated every day of it looked good on the site but was beyond uncomfortable and hurt to wear. Call me an soe fanboy I gives a fuck I found gear that works. And some mall ninjas that wear Tac gear to their local range on the weekend with shemaghs wrapped around their neck who dont worry about rounds coming their way. And airsofters, etc get their feelings hurt by him when they cant get what they want they come on here and talk shit anytime anything positive is mentioned about SOE. Even the Military Morons guy got complaints about OSOE http://www.militarymorons.com/equipment/firstline.html Note: Some customers contacted me in the past concerning issues with backordered items from OSOE. OSOE is not taking individual orders anymore and is directing customers to purchase from their network of dealers[/span] |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:37:36 PM EDT
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here's another "liar" http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=19&t=414694
Has anyone ever had problems receiving items they have ordered from John Willis at Original S.O.E? I placed an order for a rigger's belt back in August, he emailed me the paypal info, I sent the payment and have never received the item and cannot get a response to a damn email. I'm also assuming there is no phone number to reach this guy at. I hear great things about his equipment, which is why I ordered from him, but holy crap, I'm a little pissed now, it shouldn't take this damn long and if it's going to, the least he could do is respond to my emails. Does anyone have a more effective way of making contact with this guy? Sadly, you're in the same boat as me. I ordered a shoulder holster from him last November (2007) and no matter how hard I try to get a hold of him to find out where the hell it is, I can't get a response. So, I can't say much, but at least you're not the only one.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:41:13 PM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_10/324853__ARCHIVED_THREAD____Original_SOE_gear_contact.html&page=1#i2909730
"Sometimes. Othertimes, you just lose your money because he gets years behind on your order and dodges your calls like a drifter who is a week behind on rent to his slumlord."
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:43:26 PM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_10/338455__ARCHIVED_THREAD____The_Original_S_O_E__Gear_Wallet_by_John_Willis.html&page=1#i3054974
I wish I could agree with this review, but I never received the wallet I paid for. I've been waiting 4.5 years for a $500 order. I went with him because I read he was an upstanding guy, but certainly do not agree with that. I've tried calling him, having him call me, used a few email addresses, nothing works. A month or so ago he PMed me regarding a watch I was selling. We agreed go trade for his gear. When I informed him of my order, I never heard back from him. For some reason I do not believe I will see anything I ordered or a refund.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:47:36 PM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_10/338455__ARCHIVED_THREAD____The_Original_S_O_E__Gear_Wallet_by_John_Willis.html&page=2#i3115272
I've a had a similar experience with John. Let me start a a bit further back though. Back in 2003 I ordered a couple hundred dollars in gear from John. He gave me about a six month lead time and only missed it by a month or so...no bad. The gear arrived exactly as ordered and bomb proof. I'm still wearing the riggers belt today that I bought back in 2003. Fast forward to 2009, I was looking for a OD belt mounted multitool pouch that uses a fastex closure. I ordered one from John, three months later, I get a OD Molle pouch that I can't even fit a harmonica into. I start my email and phone call campaign...18 emails and half as many phone calls with no response. What finally got his attention? A PayPal charge back request, he email me the same day. Now almost 5 months have passed by and he doesn't even want to make it right. I sent him a copy of the order that clearly states Belt mount and three separate pictures of every multitool I own not even coming close to fitting, not even the original leatherman from the late 1990's I have. He doesn't even try or offer to make things right, just refunds my $ with even an apology. I sold the pouch on ebay, it pissed me off to even look at it.
With that said, I still have a few holsters and pouches that John made and are holding up great, but these are all from the SOE days, not Original SOE. Would I do business with him again? I don't know, it's almost like lending money to a family member, there's a 70% chance it going to go wrong and everyone is going to be pissed off. I promised him I would tell my story whether I had great service or crappy service. |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:50:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Add me to the list of people who have been screwed over by john willis. It wasn't for hundreds of dollars but it's still unacceptable.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:51:02 PM EDT
[#43]
Yeah thats cool and all but going on 4 years ago. Im just some dude too and I get my shit when ordered. And I will even compare this to my situations when I first ordered from TT in 04 their customer service via internet was tits and has steadily gone downhill since I refuse to buy their gear from their site. If i want anything by them its through OP tactical. Maybe it went reverse for SOE small biz with issues at the start and now they are working their way up. You and wesmercs campaign to discredit them on their face book didnt work the more shit like this goes on the more people support them, hes even got this thread posted on his fb. But im sure you know this already.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 2:57:31 PM EDT
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If you want to bring up poorly made gear ill go 1 for 1 its not always going to be perfect. Again to the Fightlight universal mag pouches I ordered 3 in jan. Advertised to hold 3 pmags or equivalent, when in there the pouch is just a cup of spilt fuck they dont fit correctly. All 3 are sewn off, the velcro closure is in a different place on all 3 pouches. I think the place has been going down in service and quality since Logan died.
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Posted: 3/16/2012 3:05:30 PM EDT
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I've a had a similar experience with John. Let me start a a bit further back though. Back in 2003 I ordered a couple hundred dollars in gear from John. He gave me about a six month lead time and only missed it by a month or so...no bad. The gear arrived exactly as ordered and bomb proof. I'm still wearing the riggers belt today that I bought back in 2003. Fast forward to 2009, I was looking for a OD belt mounted multitool pouch that uses a fastex closure. I ordered one from John, three months later, I get a OD Molle pouch that I can't even fit a harmonica into. I start my email and phone call campaign...18 emails and half as many phone calls with no response. What finally got his attention? A PayPal charge back request, he email me the same day. Now almost 5 months have passed by and he doesn't even want to make it right. I sent him a copy of the order that clearly states Belt mount and three separate pictures of every multitool I own not even coming close to fitting, not even the original leatherman from the late 1990's I have. He doesn't even try or offer to make things right, just refunds my $ with even an apology. I sold the pouch on ebay, it pissed me off to even look at it.
So youll get on here and discredit him but you still wear the belt you got from him and sold the defective gear he sold you on ebay; did you think sucker when someone bought it. |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 3:06:49 PM EDT
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Im computer stupid the top portion was aimless's original post
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Posted: 3/16/2012 3:12:02 PM EDT
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Man that post would make me ? your integrity as much as you ? SOE's
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Posted: 3/16/2012 3:12:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yeah thats cool and all but going on 4 years ago. Im just some dude too and I get my shit when ordered. And I will even compare this to my situations when I first ordered from TT in 04 their customer service via internet was tits and has steadily gone downhill since I refuse to buy their gear from their site. If i want anything by them its through OP tactical. Maybe it went reverse for SOE small biz with issues at the start and now they are working their way up. You and wesmercs campaign to discredit them on their face book didnt work the more shit like this goes on the more people support them, hes even got this thread posted on his fb. But im sure you know this already. I have ordered from Tactical tailor numerous times without a problem I also have never heard anyone claim they paid tactical tailor and did not get their gear. If hearing about people claiming to have problems with a vendor makes you determined to buy more stuff from him that's certainly your decision to make. |
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Posted: 3/16/2012 3:14:32 PM EDT
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I dont know you but ive done business w/ john willis on multiple occasions and have never had an issue so why should I believe your smear campaign?
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Posted: 3/16/2012 3:18:35 PM EDT
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I dont know you but ive done business w/ john willis on multiple occasions and have never had an issue so why should I believe your smear campaign? Are you a shill for this guy or what? From the multiple posts you made, it sure looks like it. 
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