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2/4/2012 8:02:45 AM EDT
"The Marines I have seen around the world have, the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps."



Eleanor Roosevelt, 1945



I just saw this on Jim Scoutten's Facebook page...
2/4/2012 8:27:57 AM EDT
[#1]
about to suffer from budget cuts just like the rest of us.  Problem is, they never had as much money per rifleman as the Army ever did, so once again, they will have to do more with less.
2/4/2012 8:30:28 AM EDT
[#2]
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about to suffer from budget cuts just like the rest of us.  Problem is, they never had as much money per rifleman as the Army ever did, so once again, they will have to do more with less.


I was always under the impression  that it was the opposite. marines have always had more money per rifleman than the army it was just invested more heavily in training than in equipment.
2/4/2012 8:31:52 AM EDT
[#3]
Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!
2/4/2012 9:06:35 AM EDT
[#4]
Semper Fidelis, Leathernecks !

BTW, What is this 'Funding' that you speak of?

zulu - '78-'82
2/4/2012 9:13:19 AM EDT
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Semper Fidelis, Leathernecks !



BTW, What is this 'Funding' that you speak of?



zulu - '78-'82


Funding. The reason you had to buy your own shit paper. The reason you had to buy your own cleaning supplies and wax for field day or get your Libo secured when you failed the squadbay inspection on Fridays.

 
2/4/2012 9:20:30 AM EDT
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2/4/2012 9:24:00 AM EDT
[#7]
The marines I have known have been crazy to the point of stupidity and tough as nails.  I would never want to fight against them.
2/4/2012 9:24:12 AM EDT
[#8]
Hmmm, I was in 2nd Armored Div in Texas and had to buy own shitpaper, Johnsons Paste wax for room and hall floors weekly
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Semper Fidelis, Leathernecks !

BTW, What is this 'Funding' that you speak of?

zulu - '78-'82

Funding. The reason you had to buy your own shit paper. The reason you had to buy your own cleaning supplies and wax for field day or get your Libo secured when you failed the squadbay inspection on Fridays.  


2/4/2012 9:35:04 AM EDT
[#9]
Wait! Marines have a "budget"; And here I thought they always used the "hand-me-downs" from the Army.
2/4/2012 9:36:08 AM EDT
[#10]
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!


We've actually had it pretty good during GWOT.
2/4/2012 10:04:09 AM EDT
[#11]
The cuts are already happening. I was at my old unit on Camp Pendleton last week and their entire budget was gutted. The unit went from a $300k annual budget to >$25k budget in just 3 months.

So glad that I retired, I lived through the Clinton years and would not want to go through that shit again.
2/4/2012 10:21:50 AM EDT
[#12]
The near future for the Corps is going to look a lot like the 90's.  You'll be glad to get one box of blanks per man per week of field op's.

<–– USMC '95 - '99
2/4/2012 10:22:52 AM EDT
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The cuts are already happening. I was at my old unit on Camp Pendleton last week and their entire budget was gutted. The unit went from a $300k annual budget to >$25k budget in just 3 months.

So glad that I retired, I lived through the Clinton years and would not want to go through that shit again.


Happens every time we turn a libtard democRAT loose in the WH.  I had a "3" chief that was at either 1st or 3rd Tanks during the Carter admin.  He said they went 6 months without leaving the ramp one year-and stayed like that until about '79 when dumbass saw the writing on the wall and added 5% to DoD funding.

During the Klinton reign of terror, HQMC was asking for reservists to volunteer for AD while units that were chopped out to the MEUs deployed from the east coast.  The MEUs went out, whether there was anyone left behind or not (there wasn't).

Well, I guess the traffic situation in Jacksonville will get better as it becomes a near ghost town.
2/4/2012 10:33:16 AM EDT
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!


Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?
2/4/2012 10:35:18 AM EDT
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The near future for the Corps is going to look a lot like the 90's.  You'll be glad to get one box of blanks per man per week of field op's.

<–– USMC '95 - '99


Lot's of time to play games in the 90's and not the good kind of games.  

2/4/2012 10:51:22 AM EDT
[#16]
Roger that
2/4/2012 10:53:40 AM EDT
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!


Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?


Hahahahhahahaha. Zing. Let see

Ospreys
UH1Y
AH1Z
F35B
CH53K
J model C130s

Yup, scraps for sure.
2/4/2012 11:02:13 AM EDT
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!


Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?


Hahahahhahahaha. Zing. Let see

Ospreys
UH1Y
AH1Z
F35B
CH53K
J model C130s

Yup, scraps for sure.


LAV
M16A4
AV8B
M224LW
EFSS

You guys have/had plenty of proprietary equipment.

Marines are far from shopping at Salvation Army.
2/4/2012 11:04:24 AM EDT
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!


Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?


Hahahahhahahaha. Zing. Let see

Ospreys
UH1Y
AH1Z
F35B
CH53K
J model C130s

Yup, scraps for sure.


Pog ass air wing gets money no shit. Infantry doesnt get a damn thing. Im still in the Corps as a grunt and we never have any money what so ever. We usually scream " bang bang" instead of using blanks or live rounds in training. They only have enough plate carriers which are the new flak jackets for the guys deploying so you get a shitty ass old one thats been on 3 pumps already right before you deploy. There are so many examples of the Marine Corps having nothing i dont even know where to start.
2/4/2012 11:09:14 AM EDT
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Seriously, anything but that.
2/4/2012 11:10:08 AM EDT
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!


Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?


Hahahahhahahaha. Zing. Let see

Ospreys
UH1Y
AH1Z
F35B
CH53K
J model C130s

Yup, scraps for sure.


Pog ass air wing gets money no shit. Infantry doesnt get a damn thing. Im still in the Corps as a grunt and we never have any money what so ever. We usually scream " bang bang" instead of using blanks or live rounds in training. They only have enough plate carriers which are the new flak jackets for the guys deploying so you get a shitty ass old one thats been on 3 pumps already right before you deploy. There are so many examples of the Marine Corps having nothing i dont even know where to start.


Yeah, well the Wing may have gotten some new gear, but I can remember in the carter days when a pilot was lucky to get 2 flight hours a MONTH and mechs were scrounging for whatever supplies we could lay our hands on, and it will likely revert to that in the very near future.
2/4/2012 11:10:24 AM EDT
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!


Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?


Hahahahhahahaha. Zing. Let see

Ospreys
UH1Y
AH1Z
F35B
CH53K
J model C130s

Yup, scraps for sure.


Pog ass air wing gets money no shit. Infantry doesnt get a damn thing. Im still in the Corps as a grunt and we never have any money what so ever. We usually scream " bang bang" instead of using blanks or live rounds in training. They only have enough plate carriers which are the new flak jackets for the guys deploying so you get a shitty ass old one thats been on 3 pumps already right before you deploy. There are so many examples of the Marine Corps having nothing i dont even know where to start.


Well that sounds like failures of the Marine Corps leadership in allocating their funds, rather than The Marines (tm) not getting the funding they deserve.
2/4/2012 11:18:12 AM EDT
[#23]
DUPE!!!

See sigline below
2/4/2012 11:19:32 AM EDT
[#24]
Thats a joke right? You must be high. The Army recieves 214 billion compared to the Marine Corps 23 billion..... hmmm you do the math.

source :

http://www.deathandtaxesposter.com/
2/4/2012 11:21:01 AM EDT
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!




Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?




Hahahahhahahaha. Zing. Let see



Ospreys

UH1Y

AH1Z

F35B

CH53K

J model C130s



Yup, scraps for sure.




Pog ass air wing gets money no shit. Infantry doesnt get a damn thing. Im still in the Corps as a grunt and we never have any money what so ever. We usually scream " bang bang" instead of using blanks or live rounds in training. They only have enough plate carriers which are the new flak jackets for the guys deploying so you get a shitty ass old one thats been on 3 pumps already right before you deploy. There are so many examples of the Marine Corps having nothing i dont even know where to start.




Well that sounds like failures of the Marine Corps leadership in allocating their funds, rather than The Marines (tm) not getting the funding they deserve.


For the record Marine Corps Leaders do not fail. They succeed in the opposite direction. Yut!
2/4/2012 11:22:10 AM EDT
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For the record Marine Corps Leaders do not fail. They succeed in the opposite direction. Yut!


2/4/2012 11:24:46 AM EDT
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For the record Marine Corps Leaders do not fail. They succeed in the opposite direction. Yut!




Im not a mot dog by any means I am counting the days till i get out but the Marine Corps does the most with nothing for sure. Noone even mentioned the stats i posted but thats cool ignorance is bliss.
2/4/2012 11:25:46 AM EDT
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The marines I have known have been crazy to the point of stupidity and tough as nails.  I would never want to fight against them.


As a Marine I think you got that backwards- stupid to the point of crazy!
2/4/2012 11:26:59 AM EDT
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For the record Marine Corps Leaders do not fail. They succeed in the opposite direction. Yut!








Im not a mot dog by any means I am counting the days till i get out but the Marine Corps does the most with nothing for sure. Noone even mentioned the stats i posted but thats cool ignorance is bliss.


Chill out Devil. It's all good.

 
2/4/2012 11:27:21 AM EDT
[#30]
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about to suffer from budget cuts just like the rest of us.  Problem is, they never had as much money per rifleman as the Army ever did, so once again, they will have to do more with less.


I was always under the impression  that it was the opposite. marines have always had more money per rifleman than the army it was just invested more heavily in training than in equipment.


Their uniforms and boots are certainly better than the Army's.
2/4/2012 11:28:58 AM EDT
[#31]
Money for aircraft is blue dollars, and fenced off from the rest of the Marine Corps green dollars.

That being said, it is more myth than anything that the Marine Corps has had hand-me down gear at least for the last 20 years.  We tended to have newer and better individual gear than all of big army.
2/4/2012 11:29:02 AM EDT
[#32]
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about to suffer from budget cuts just like the rest of us.  Problem is, they never had as much money per rifleman as the Army ever did, so once again, they will have to do more with less.


I was always under the impression  that it was the opposite. marines have always had more money per rifleman than the army it was just invested more heavily in training than in equipment.


Their uniforms and boots are certainly better than the Army's.


We have to buy our own. Another reason we have nothing.
2/4/2012 11:29:15 AM EDT
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For the record Marine Corps Leaders do not fail. They succeed in the opposite direction. Yut!






Hahaha!  And here's what my unit leadership did pre-GWOT.  Almost ALL of the budget went to ammo.  Training is mostly free aside from that.  

 



And when the ammo runs out, it's "butter, butter, bang" fellas!




Yut! Kill!
2/4/2012 11:29:26 AM EDT
[#34]



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about to suffer from budget cuts just like the rest of us.  Problem is, they never had as much money per rifleman as the Army ever did, so once again, they will have to do more with less.




I was always under the impression  that it was the opposite. marines have always had more money per rifleman than the army it was just invested more heavily in training than in equipment.




Their uniforms and boots are certainly better than the Army's.


We like to be pretty with goofy haircuts! So sue us!

 
2/4/2012 11:30:45 AM EDT
[#35]



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For the record Marine Corps Leaders do not fail. They succeed in the opposite direction. Yut!






Hahaha!  And here's what my unit leadership did pre-GWOT.  Almost ALL of the budget went to ammo.  Training is mostly free aside from that.    



And when the ammo runs out, it's "butter, butter, bang" fellas!




Yut! Kill!


Do they still get pissed if you heave a rock and yell grenade?

 
2/4/2012 11:31:17 AM EDT
[#36]
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!


Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?


Hahahahhahahaha. Zing. Let see

Ospreys
UH1Y
AH1Z
F35B
CH53K
J model C130s

Yup, scraps for sure.


Pog ass air wing gets money no shit. Infantry doesnt get a damn thing. Im still in the Corps as a grunt and we never have any money what so ever. We usually scream " bang bang" instead of using blanks or live rounds in training. They only have enough plate carriers which are the new flak jackets for the guys deploying so you get a shitty ass old one thats been on 3 pumps already right before you deploy. There are so many examples of the Marine Corps having nothing i dont even know where to start.


Everything you just said describes the Army Infantry as well. Don't think Marine grunts are special when it comes to getting fucked on the budget.
2/4/2012 11:32:13 AM EDT
[#37]
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The marines I have known have been crazy to the point of stupidity and tough as nails.  I would never want to fight against them.[/quoteI

I totally agree. I have close family that are Marines and I would follow them through hell and right out the back door without a second thought. Seriously.
2/4/2012 11:32:51 AM EDT
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!






Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?






Hahahahhahahaha. Zing. Let see





Ospreys


UH1Y


AH1Z


F35B


CH53K


J model C130s





Yup, scraps for sure.
arent a majority of those just upgrades of old platforms..?
 
2/4/2012 11:33:44 AM EDT
[#39]



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about to suffer from budget cuts just like the rest of us.  Problem is, they never had as much money per rifleman as the Army ever did, so once again, they will have to do more with less.




I was always under the impression  that it was the opposite. marines have always had more money per rifleman than the army it was just invested more heavily in training than in equipment.




Their uniforms and boots are certainly better than the Army's.




We have to buy our own. Another reason we have nothing.


That's nothing new Man. That's what the Clothing Maintenance allowance is for.

 
2/4/2012 11:34:01 AM EDT
[#40]
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!


Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?


Hahahahhahahaha. Zing. Let see

Ospreys
UH1Y
AH1Z
F35B
CH53K
J model C130s

Yup, scraps for sure.
arent a majority of those just upgrades of an old platform..?

 


No

2/4/2012 11:37:05 AM EDT
[#41]
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!


Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?


Hahahahhahahaha. Zing. Let see

Ospreys
UH1Y
AH1Z
F35B
CH53K
J model C130s

Yup, scraps for sure.


Pog ass air wing gets money no shit. Infantry doesnt get a damn thing. Im still in the Corps as a grunt and we never have any money what so ever. We usually scream " bang bang" instead of using blanks or live rounds in training. They only have enough plate carriers which are the new flak jackets for the guys deploying so you get a shitty ass old one thats been on 3 pumps already right before you deploy. There are so many examples of the Marine Corps having nothing i dont even know where to start.


I've seen all of that while in the army infantry.
2/4/2012 11:41:02 AM EDT
[#42]
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about to suffer from budget cuts just like the rest of us.  Problem is, they never had as much money per rifleman as the Army ever did, so once again, they will have to do more with less.


I was always under the impression  that it was the opposite. marines have always had more money per rifleman than the army it was just invested more heavily in training than in equipment.


Their uniforms and boots are certainly better than the Army's.


Yeah, cause we have to buy them out of our own paychecks.

2/4/2012 11:43:05 AM EDT
[#43]
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about to suffer from budget cuts just like the rest of us.  Problem is, they never had as much money per rifleman as the Army ever did, so once again, they will have to do more with less.


I was always under the impression  that it was the opposite. marines have always had more money per rifleman than the army it was just invested more heavily in training than in equipment.


Their uniforms and boots are certainly better than the Army's.


Yeah, cause we have to buy them out of our own paychecks.



As do we. The only "free uniforms" we get are for deployment. We get 4, to last a year, if they don't last (and they don't) you buy new ones out of your pocket.
2/4/2012 11:46:29 AM EDT
[#44]
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about to suffer from budget cuts just like the rest of us.  Problem is, they never had as much money per rifleman as the Army ever did, so once again, they will have to do more with less.


I was always under the impression  that it was the opposite. marines have always had more money per rifleman than the army it was just invested more heavily in training than in equipment.


Their uniforms and boots are certainly better than the Army's.


We have to buy our own. Another reason we have nothing.

That's nothing new Man. That's what the Clothing Maintenance allowance is for.  


When I was in CMA was $200 a year.  A pair of cammies was$48 not to mention all the BS you had to buy just for inspections.  Closer to 1k a year spent out of pocket between all the shit we had to buy out of pocket.  

2/4/2012 11:47:30 AM EDT
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Nope. The USMC made do with scraps always have and seems always will.  IMPROVISE, ADAPT, and OVERCOME!


Hmmm... where are you getting those F-35Bs second hand?


Hahahahhahahaha. Zing. Let see

Ospreys
UH1Y
AH1Z
F35B
CH53K
J model C130s

Yup, scraps for sure.


Pog ass air wing gets money no shit. Infantry doesnt get a damn thing. Im still in the Corps as a grunt and we never have any money what so ever. We usually scream " bang bang" instead of using blanks or live rounds in training. They only have enough plate carriers which are the new flak jackets for the guys deploying so you get a shitty ass old one thats been on 3 pumps already right before you deploy. There are so many examples of the Marine Corps having nothing i dont even know where to start.


I've seen all of that while in the army infantry.


Would you rather have an F35 on call or have fired an extra few hundred rounds in training?

This coming from someone who had their job cut in the recent budget cuts.
2/4/2012 11:48:00 AM EDT
[#46]
yea seriously. A pair of boots is like 70-100 depending on what you get. You forgot being forced to go to the Marine Corps ball and if you get your medals mounted its like 100 or more depending on your salt level.
2/4/2012 11:49:08 AM EDT
[#47]
I have a t-shirt with that quote on the back.

And, yes, we yelled "bang-bang-jam!!!" at Camp Geiger because there were no blanks to train with.
2/4/2012 11:49:11 AM EDT
[#48]
F35's arent even in country i dont think. I never saw one. All the CAS is F18's and A10's or rotary.
2/4/2012 11:50:45 AM EDT
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about to suffer from budget cuts just like the rest of us.  Problem is, they never had as much money per rifleman as the Army ever did, so once again, they will have to do more with less.


I was always under the impression  that it was the opposite. marines have always had more money per rifleman than the army it was just invested more heavily in training than in equipment.


Their uniforms and boots are certainly better than the Army's.


We have to buy our own. Another reason we have nothing.

That's nothing new Man. That's what the Clothing Maintenance allowance is for.  


When I was in CMA was $200 a year.  A pair of cammies was$48 not to mention all the BS you had to buy just for inspections.  Closer to 1k a year spent out of pocket between all the shit we had to buy out of pocket.  



That is obviously a failure in policy. If you're spending $1000 a year out of pocket for uniform inspections, the biggest budget in the world wouldn't solve the obvious stupidity going on at higher levels.

A pair of ACU's costs about $140, and lasts 6 months, tops, if you hit the field a lot. with the new and improved 670-1 heading our way, I'm sure we too will get to enjoy wasted money due to uniform inspections that will make the command feel good.

2/4/2012 11:52:17 AM EDT
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yea seriously. A pair of boots is like 70-100 depending on what you get. You forgot being forced to go to the Marine Corps ball and if you get your medals mounted its like 100 or more depending on your salt level.


Our issued boots are 65 or 70.

They suck ass. If you get a pair that's actually comfortable, you're easily looking at $130-150+

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