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Posted: 5/22/2008 2:13:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Bonesaw]
Anyone got a good recipe for loading this bullet?
for my first batch i did: 21.3 grains of Accurate 2230 powder CCI #41 primers Winchester,Federal, and LC cases. I looked at the sticky but there was only 1 entry for this bullet |
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Posted: 5/22/2008 9:17:11 AM EDT
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I've had good luck with Hodgdon H335 and the same components.Speer book says 23.0 to 25.0 grs.
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Posted: 5/22/2008 10:10:49 AM EDT
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I'm looking for the same info . . . but I have 30# of WC846 powder in my powder locker, so I'd really like to know if there's a good load for the 62gr SS109 projo with that powder.
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Posted: 5/22/2008 11:30:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ma96782]
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Taken from…….
www.warrifles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51236 ____________________________ And more military powder loads……… www.fortliberty.org/military-library/ballistics-chart.shtml Aloha, Mark PS..........general load data...........Free Load Data………… www.magnusbullets.com/loading_data.htm _________________________________ Or, try this one…….. www.handloads.org/loaddata/ |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/22/2008 6:25:24 PM EDT
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Mine ended up as 24.5 of H335 and CCI450's. Non-chrony'd I'd say "feels" about like 90's RORG. Coincidently, I had an old ADCOM laying around that had a neck pimple, so I pulled it and weighed the charge. Granted I have no way of knowing exactly what the powder was for ADCOM, but it weighed at 24.5.....so I know I'm in the ballpark.
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Posted: 5/22/2008 9:56:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3]
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I used the start loads for the Speer 62 gr FMJBT (lead core), and worked up.
In my rifle these loads are safe, and are 1/2 gr below the first signs of pressure. All these loads use LC brass trimmed to 1.750, neck deburred inside and out. Primer pocket swaged, Win SR, pulled SS-109 62 gr FMJBT seated to mid cannelure. Crimped with a Lee FCD (factory crimp die). My rifle has a 1 in 9 twist, 16 ", 5.56 chamber. AA-2230, 24.5 grs. Shoots great. H-335, 25.0 grs. OK load, just that other powders are more accurate. ( In my rifle) BLC2, 26.0 grs. My favorite SS-109 load. Varget, 26.5 grs. Most accurate SS-109 load in my rifle. Just a hassle to load. Tac, 26.0 grs. Another good load. W-748 25.5 grs. Not accurate in my rifle, your rifle might like. Remember to work your loads up, your rifle may be different from mine. edited |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/22/2008 10:31:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rg1]
[#6]
I tested the M855 62fmj with H335 powder in my Colt 20" 1/7 twist using RP and WCC cases. RP 7 1/2 primers were used.
24 grains of H335 RP case---2949 fps WCC------2890 24.6 grains of H335 RP case-----3040fps WCC--------3033 I'd consider the 24.6 grain charge as maximum in my rifle with my components as it shows it nearly matches the military spec for the M855 62gr green tip fmj which is 3025fps 78 feet from the muzzle. Don't start at 24.6 as it could be too much for your rifle and components. This is from only one test but the temperature was 90 degrees in July and the chrono was at 6 ft. from the muzzle. No accuracy report. COL as tested was 2.255-2.260". |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 6:42:46 AM EDT
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this would be a bad representation though wouldn't it due to the length difference between the bullet you list and the actual ss109? Granted the weight is the same, the ss109 is a long bullet and can change pressures significantly using the shorter bullets (normal 62gr FMJBT) data because of seating depth, correct me if i'm wrong |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 6:50:43 AM EDT
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I just pulled a '04 Lake City and the powder measured 26.9gr and looks just like BLC-2 |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 2:58:50 PM EDT
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Not necessarily. The burn rate of WC846 can vary quite a bit from lot to lot.  This information is provided for educational purposes only. It is not intended to be used for the actual loading of ammunition. No warranty, guarantee or assurance that these loads are safe is stated, suggested or implied. Usage of this information for the actual loading of ammunition may result in malfunctions, damage and destruction of property and grave injury or death to beings human in nature or otherwise. Don't even view this information in the presence of children or small animals. |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 4:20:20 PM EDT
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It's not all that long. The pressure will be affected by the bearing length of the bullet more than the seating depth in this case. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2008 4:22:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bullseye308]
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http://www.frfrogspad.com/miscellq.htm#duplicate
This should help. :) |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 4:55:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dryflash3]
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edited original post. Thanks for the correction Molon. |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 4:58:57 PM EDT
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Which is why I used the start load. |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 4:25:22 PM EDT
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Taggin' this one for later, as I'm building up 10,000 rounds of SHTF ammo!
 - Clint |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 7:31:02 PM EDT
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Personally I wouldn't store reloaded ammo long term - talking 10 years plus. For my long term storage SHTF ammo I set aside a couple sealed spam cans of whatever, something with sealed primers and case necks. But if you have a humidity/temp controlled area to store ammo, you could get away with long term storage of reloaded stuff. I'd still put it in a tight sealing ammo can with desicant inside. |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 11:18:29 PM EDT
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Oh........ I was planning on putting it in a open five gallon bucket in my living room next to my aquarium, is that a bad idea?  JUST JOKIN'  Availability of AMMO in Alaska is pretty poor. I'm building up some SHTF ammo that will be replaced if I can ever find some good ammo at a good price!  Damn GWOT...  - Clint |
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Posted: 5/28/2008 11:29:16 PM EDT
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I have fired my reloads 15 years after they were loaded. No sealer on bullet or primer.
Stored in a GI ammo can in workshop. No desiccant, Didn't have any. 223 and 357 magnum. Shot good, no problems. Right now I am shooting SHTF 55 gr FMJBTs that were loaded in 1999. I did a lot of reloading in 1999. This ammo was stored with desiccant, in GI ammo cans. |
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Posted: 5/30/2008 12:16:10 AM EDT
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I know, just saying ... I'm 33 now, a SHTF happen next week or when I'm 63. I'd be a little iffy counting on 30 year old reloads.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2008 12:30:41 AM EDT
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My 38 specials and 357 magnums loaded with 125 gr hp on top of unique and Blue dot are running just fine. I loaded them in 1977 and have stored them on a shelf in a Houston garage. The exposed lead shows oxidation but they work just fine.
I understand the concern, but to my experience it is not an issue. I have had a problem with the foam in the boxes (yellow plastic CCI ammo) degrading to nearly nothing. So don't use 30 year old foam. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2008 1:02:31 AM EDT
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I use 25gr varget because it gives me a nice number to work with. Results are about +- MOA at 100, a bit more often on the + side but I'm not complaining too much about that..
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Posted: 5/30/2008 11:56:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/30/2008 2:02:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/30/2008 5:47:43 PM EDT
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Can we safely assume that handloading to M855 specs with the SS109 bullet will yield better accuracy than issue ammunition?
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Posted: 6/6/2008 11:39:08 PM EDT
[#24]
I don't try to load to M855 specs, I load for the best accuracy in my rifle.
SS-109s are a 2 to 2 1/2" group bullet. 10 shot groups, at 100 yds. Match bullets go into less than an inch, 10 shot groups, 100 yds in my rifle. |
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Posted: 6/7/2008 10:19:10 AM EDT
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There is no way to identify a powder just by how it "looks." Take a look at the four different powders below. Can you identify which one is BL-C(2)?     |
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Posted: 6/7/2008 2:13:28 PM EDT
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3rd one down
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Posted: 6/7/2008 3:44:27 PM EDT
[#27]
ost.
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Posted: 6/7/2008 4:28:00 PM EDT
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tag I have 1000 rounds M855 and want to load 1000 rounds with the Barnes 62 grain x bullet and am looking for load. Would same load be OK for ss109 and the Barnes 62 grain I wonder. I am going to load those Barnes in nickel brass and I plan on keeping them a long time. These 2k rounds are going to be my SHTF ammo.
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Posted: 6/7/2008 5:48:01 PM EDT
[#29]
I've run about 1000 rounds of the SS109 through three different ARs and a Galil using 25g of IMR4895 with no problems whatsoever. Accuracy is decent also.
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Posted: 6/7/2008 6:36:15 PM EDT
[#30]
Grade 1 pulled m855's
25.3gr Ramshot TAC CCI small rifle primers(400) FC and LC cases. Typically 1.5moa at 100yds. Good all around load I've been using for 4000+ rounds. I've even been able to get them to group out at 600yards on occasion. |
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Posted: 6/7/2008 6:58:20 PM EDT
[#31]
Close, but no cigar! The powder you identified is W748.
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Posted: 6/7/2008 10:46:08 PM EDT
[#32]
I would start your load development with Barnes data. Get one of their reloading manuals. Reason I used Speer starting loads in my post on page 1, is it was a similar bullet and the same weight. In your case, the bullet weighs the same, but is a different type of bullet. |
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Posted: 6/8/2008 1:19:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FishTheRockRiver]
[#33]
I concede your point. Yet, I need to make Wild Guesses: #1 - 846 #2 - BLC2 #3 - 748 #4 - TAC Do tell... |
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Posted: 6/8/2008 10:12:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
[#34]
Originally Posted By FishTheRockRiver:
Originally Posted By Molon:
Originally Posted By -edgecrusher-:
Originally Posted By philoparts:
Mine ended up as 24.5 of H335 and CCI450's. Non-chrony'd I'd say "feels" about like 90's RORG. Coincidently, I had an old ADCOM laying around that had a neck pimple, so I pulled it and weighed the charge. Granted I have no way of knowing exactly what the powder was for ADCOM, but it weighed at 24.5.....so I know I'm in the ballpark. I just pulled a '04 Lake City and the powder measured 26.9gr and looks just like BLC-2 There is no way to identify a powder just by how it "looks." Take a look at the four different powders below. Can you identify which one is BL-C(2)? www.box.net/shared/static/9s5dzzgv4g.jpg www.box.net/shared/static/in9975gkkw.jpg www.box.net/shared/static/cuv5076ok4.jpg www.box.net/shared/static/nf25xfkgso.jpg I concede your point. Yet, I need to make Wild Guesses: #1 - 846 #2 - BLC2 #3 - 748 #4 - TAC Do tell... I'll post the correct answers tomorrow evening. 
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Posted: 8/4/2008 10:19:48 PM EDT
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It's been a long time, Molon! Answers, please!!!
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Posted: 8/5/2008 6:40:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Molon]
[#36]
Originally Posted By ShakenNotStirred:
Originally Posted By Molon:
I'll post the correct answers tomorrow evening. It's been a long time, Molon! Answers, please!!! Sorry about that. I had forgotten all about this thread. 1. 2. 3. 4. |
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Posted: 8/6/2008 11:53:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ShakenNotStirred]
[#37]
Using this thread as I guide, I loaded up some SS109 test ammo. The projos are 62gr FMJSCBT rounds I got from Wideners years ago. Brass was twice-fired USGI originally prepped by RVOW. Primers were CCI 400 (I know, I was young and stupid and didn't realize that the 450's were any different). Powder is WC-846.
Results out of a 16" Colt 1/9 HBAR, screens approx 6' from muzzle. I only shot for velocity, not accuracy (didn't even glance at the target when I was done). 23.0gr, average velocity 2517 24.2gr, average velocity 2665 25.0gr, average velocity 2759 26.0gr, average velocity 2895 The 26.0gr load showed flattened primers across the board (too hot, unless those CCI 400's are too soft). The 25.0gr load show some flattening. The 24.2gr and 23.0gr loads showed totally normal primers. Questions: 1) Would it be worth it to try other primers? Are there others that are harder and/or would stand up to the pressure better? 2) Is it normal for ALL of the primers to show a little "divot" in the middle of the firing pin indentation? The plan now is to load 23.0, 23.3, 23.6, 23.9, 24.2 and test them for accuracy, as well as velocity and pressure signs. I think that will give me something to go with. ETA: Now I see that CCI makes the 400, the 450, the 41, and the BR-4 primer. Would it make any difference in my pressure signs if I switched to one of these other primers? Thanks! |
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Posted: 8/21/2008 2:59:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2008 10:09:03 PM EDT
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/26/2008 11:47:44 PM EDT
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Anyone have a load using W748? I have a couple pounds of it and 1000 ss109's.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/27/2008 5:29:23 PM EDT
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I have used 25gr of W748 with mixed head stamp brass. The brass had at least 2-3 loads through it. No chrony, no pressure signs. I think the 10 shot groups were around 3" at 30 yards, but that is mostly me not the ammo or the 16" 1/9 Bushmaster.
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Posted: 8/27/2008 5:42:20 PM EDT
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Page 1, 6th post. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/28/2008 12:13:22 AM EDT
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That load is for a Speer 62 lead core fmjbt. |
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Posted: 8/28/2008 11:26:49 PM EDT
[#44]
Correct, read the whole post. I listed the loads I use in my two rifles, and how I got there. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2008 12:44:19 AM EDT
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Oops, I need to read more closely. Thanks |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 8/29/2008 2:23:15 AM EDT
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For my rifle 25.5 of BLC has given the best results with ss109 bullets. I've tried h322, h335, & h4895. All worked but the blc gives 2" groups at 100 with iron sights. none of the other did any better, but all gave the best groups with either 1/2 or 1 gr less then the max loads listed by hogdon. It might be me but I seem to get a 3 and 2 cluster in my groups. the first 3 will be touching. and the next two touching but about an inch right of the first three.
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Posted: 8/29/2008 7:53:02 AM EDT
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The next time you shoot, try to findout whether the strays are caused by barrel heating, the wind, or failure to focus on the front sight. |
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Posted: 1/17/2011 10:11:26 PM EDT
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Good info here. Does anyone have anything to add by chance? Maybe some 200 or 300 yd groups with their powder of choice?
I plan on using this for some Coyote loads, since I got a bunch of 62gr FMJBT long bullets in a trade. 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/17/2011 11:16:01 PM EDT
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25 grains of tac got me an average of 2900 fps out of my Scar carbine.
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Posted: 1/18/2011 1:00:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: InfiniteGrim]
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I finally got more AA2230, but I havent had the time to work up a load but this is what I got to so far....
Pulled SS109 24.2gr AA2230 CCI #41 untrimmed LC brass that was at 1.77" 50 yards with irons (The rounds fired here are the ones from my avatar) 
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