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Posted: 6/4/2015 6:07:35 PM EDT
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I've never had a problem or noticed it being any dirtier than any other factory ammo I've run.
Is your load data lighter than the ZQI? it may burn cleaner due to less powder. |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 7:41:06 PM EDT
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I bought a DPMS GII MOE a month ago and my local gun store (Walmart) had the ZQ1 cheap so I bought 12 boxes. First time out with the new rifle I couldn't get a group better than 10-12". And yes it was very dirty. I then picked up a bock of Winchester Super X and shot 4-6" five shot groups. Then put the ZQ1 back in and it was again all over the place. Went out for the 3rd time with the rifle today and tried a box of Perfecta and it was about 4-5". I'm not impressed yet with the GII and hope to find something not too expensive that gives me better groups. I was firing from a rest in awesome weather today, 100yards. Was able to do continuously get 2" groups with a full 20 round mag using m855 with my Core 15. I really like how it shoots.
I think I'll try some better stuff next time in my search for better groups. maybe Federal Gold Medal? What do you think? |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 9:21:50 PM EDT
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I like the stuff, never had any issues at all, shot better than any other cheap fmj ammo.
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Posted: 6/4/2015 9:27:11 PM EDT
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I bought a DPMS GII MOE a month ago and my local gun store (Walmart) had the ZQ1 cheap so I bought 12 boxes. First time out with the new rifle I couldn't get a group better than 10-12". And yes it was very dirty. I then picked up a bock of Winchester Super X and shot 4-6" five shot groups. Then put the ZQ1 back in and it was again all over the place. Went out for the 3rd time with the rifle today and tried a box of Perfecta and it was about 4-5". I'm not impressed yet with the GII and hope to find something not too expensive that gives me better groups. I was firing from a rest in awesome weather today, 100yards. Was able to do continuously get 2" groups with a full 20 round mag using m855 with my Core 15. I really like how it shoots. I think I'll try some better stuff next time in my search for better groups. maybe Federal Gold Medal? What do you think? I was not impressed with Federal Gold medal match.............Try some Hornady American Whitetail........I shot several three-shot one hole groups with the stuff at 50 yards..................... |
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Posted: 6/4/2015 9:51:18 PM EDT
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Thanks. What rifle and barrel?
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Posted: 6/5/2015 4:17:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI think I'll try some better stuff next time in my search for better groups. maybe Federal Gold Medal? What do you think? FGMM (168gr) is the most precise 308 factory load I've tried in all of my 308s including RRA LAR8, PTR91, and Ruger MKIIVT target rifle. If you're only doing 4-5" groups, however, you may be better served with a decent scope and a new trigger. Hornady match is OK too, PPU match is fair but cheap (1-2MOA). I've heard great things about Aussie Outback match, but haven't tried it myself. Lastly - ZQI, as you found out the hard way, is complete junk ammo. Its factory specified to only be 5.5MOA, which is horrendous in anything short of a full-auto Browning 1919. Not even a bargain at Walmart's 50cpr, IMHO. |
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Posted: 6/5/2015 6:30:44 PM EDT
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FGMM (168gr) is the most precise 308 factory load I've tried in all of my 308s including RRA LAR8, PTR91, and Ruger MKIIVT target rifle. If you're only doing 4-5" groups, however, you may be better served with a decent scope and a new trigger. Hornady match is OK too, PPU match is fair but cheap (1-2MOA). I've heard great things about Aussie Outback match, but haven't tried it myself. Lastly - ZQI, as you found out the hard way, is complete junk ammo. Its factory specified to only be 5.5MOA, which is horrendous in anything short of a full-auto Browning 1919. Not even a bargain at Walmart's 50cpr, IMHO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I think I'll try some better stuff next time in my search for better groups. maybe Federal Gold Medal? What do you think? FGMM (168gr) is the most precise 308 factory load I've tried in all of my 308s including RRA LAR8, PTR91, and Ruger MKIIVT target rifle. If you're only doing 4-5" groups, however, you may be better served with a decent scope and a new trigger. Hornady match is OK too, PPU match is fair but cheap (1-2MOA). I've heard great things about Aussie Outback match, but haven't tried it myself. Lastly - ZQI, as you found out the hard way, is complete junk ammo. Its factory specified to only be 5.5MOA, which is horrendous in anything short of a full-auto Browning 1919. Not even a bargain at Walmart's 50cpr, IMHO. The saving grace is its boxer primed and reloadable..........which I have reloaded some of it.......with Hornady bullets and Winchester 748 powder..........I built a Savage bolt gun several years back..........with a Mcgowen barrel.......Timney trigger and a BC target stock........best groups, which were consistent one hole 3 shot groups were with Sierra Game King bullets (150 GR) and Hodgdon Ball powder, FGMM was not as good in my opinion.........pricey as hell too...........but then again.........Good ammo ain't cheap and cheap ammo ain't good. |
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Posted: 6/6/2015 1:09:44 PM EDT
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ZQI shoots about 11", 5 shot groups at 100 yards out of my AR with 16" barrel.
ZQI Shoots about 3"-5", 5 shot groups at 100 yards out of my FAL's with 16"-21" barrels. Haven't had any failures but it isn't real acurate |
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Posted: 6/6/2015 1:10:22 PM EDT
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ZQI shoots about 11", 5 shot groups at 100 yards out of my LR308 with 16" barrel.
ZQI Shoots about 3"-5", 5 shot groups at 100 yards out of my FAL's with 16"-21" barrels. Haven't had any failures but it isn't real acurate Edit; I went back and looked through some of my old targets and found a 4.5" 10 shot group of ZQI at 100yds out of my LR308. So that isn't too bad, and it was a little bigger group than the LC13 ammo. So it has potential, just prob not 5 shot 1" potential. |
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Posted: 6/6/2015 1:45:39 PM EDT
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My scar 17 didn't like it at all, didn't have any fte or ftf but it shot 11" to 14" groups at 100 yards.
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Posted: 6/6/2015 7:16:46 PM EDT
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Obviously you need a better scope and trigger like I've been told... :)
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Posted: 6/6/2015 7:26:48 PM EDT
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When I picked some up the 1st time I was not expecting much considering it was lowest priced ammo at Walmart that was made in a craphole called turkey.
I did get what I expected, ammo that could cycle my adjustable gas system rifle and was boxer primed. Accuracy was so so but it is good for letting other people use when they want to put a few rnds down range. |
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Posted: 6/6/2015 11:02:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ZQI shoots about 11", 5 shot groups at 100 yards out of my AR with 16" barrel. ZQI Shoots about 3"-5", 5 shot groups at 100 yards out of my FAL's with 16"-21" barrels. Haven't had any failures but it isn't real acurate |
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Posted: 6/7/2015 7:33:35 AM EDT
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I have read on other forums... that you need to break the seal from the tar neck sealant... so you reseat the bullet a few thousands, breaking the seal..... then it shoots better.
I haven't tried it yet, but that has worked before on various USGI surplus ammos. |
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Posted: 6/7/2015 8:02:19 AM EDT
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it's great for plinking and zeroing IMO
i agree it is dirty as hell, especially when i ran my suppressor. |
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Posted: 6/7/2015 8:58:31 AM EDT
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Never had any issues with it. Not any dirtier than any other ball I shot, and accuracy was what I would expect from ball in general. Gun is a PSA with 16" BHW tube and DPMS BCG. accuracy averages about 2MOA.
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Posted: 6/7/2015 9:10:02 AM EDT
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Lastly - ZQI, as you found out the hard way, is complete junk ammo. Its factory specified to only be 5.5MOA, which is horrendous in anything short of a full-auto Browning 1919. Not even a bargain at Walmart's 50cpr, IMHO. I keep seeing this, but don't know where it's coming from. The box reads "less than one minute of angle at 100 meters". Whether any given rifle will approach that or not is one thing, but I've never seen it advertised as anything worse than 1MOA. |
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Posted: 6/8/2015 4:17:56 PM EDT
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I keep seeing this, but don't know where it's coming from. The box reads "less than one minute of angle at 100 meters". Whether any given rifle will approach that or not is one thing, but I've never seen it advertised as anything worse than 1MOA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lastly - ZQI, as you found out the hard way, is complete junk ammo. Its factory specified to only be 5.5MOA, which is horrendous in anything short of a full-auto Browning 1919. Not even a bargain at Walmart's 50cpr, IMHO. I keep seeing this, but don't know where it's coming from. The box reads "less than one minute of angle at 100 meters". Whether any given rifle will approach that or not is one thing, but I've never seen it advertised as anything worse than 1MOA. http://zqiammo.com/ From ZQIs website: "Accuracy: Max. mean radius 1.38 in @ 100 m" That means your average grouping is 2.8" at 100yds, which is abysmal, IMHO. That also translates to roughly 5.5MOA at 95%. |
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Posted: 6/11/2015 6:45:23 AM EDT
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1 MOA claim comes from here.  |
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Posted: 6/12/2015 1:42:43 AM EDT
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might be a sales pitch...........The brass does not have the NATO "cross" and some of it I shot didn't seem consistent. You get what you pay for............Ive reloaded a bunch of it and it is boxer primed reloadable and I didn't have any issues with it when full length resized with RCBS dies.............
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Posted: 6/14/2015 8:41:48 AM EDT
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This thread is starting to look like the old Wolf .223 threads with people bashing due to poor accuracy.
It's foreign made M80 ball ammo, expect 3-5 MOA because that's as good as it's likely to get. If I want right little groups I don't go seeking the cheapest, unknown mfr of ammo I can find. It's .50 cpr at WallyWorld, buy it, shoot it, and enjoy it for what it is, decent practice at a better price. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 3:19:35 AM EDT
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I shoot a lot of the 5.56 ZQI and it groups well, consistently under 2" which is OK for NATO spec...I can hit the steel silhouettes easily at 700 yards with it.
However, my son has had nothing but terrible groups (6"+) with the 7.62 ZQI, while other quality brands readily group at 1-2", and his hand loads group like match ammo, so we know its not the barrel. The brass makes for good reloads, but the loaded ammo is junk. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 6:42:50 AM EDT
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ive shot a good bit of 5.56
poor accuracy, but for short range plinking with irons, its good enough Good price point, but walmart isn't sticking it anymore 
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Posted: 6/23/2015 6:57:27 AM EDT
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http://zqiammo.com/ From ZQIs website: "Accuracy: Max. mean radius 1.38 in @ 100 m" That means your average grouping is 2.8" at 100yds, which is abysmal, IMHO. That also translates to roughly 5.5MOA at 95%. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lastly - ZQI, as you found out the hard way, is complete junk ammo. Its factory specified to only be 5.5MOA, which is horrendous in anything short of a full-auto Browning 1919. Not even a bargain at Walmart's 50cpr, IMHO. I keep seeing this, but don't know where it's coming from. The box reads "less than one minute of angle at 100 meters". Whether any given rifle will approach that or not is one thing, but I've never seen it advertised as anything worse than 1MOA. http://zqiammo.com/ From ZQIs website: "Accuracy: Max. mean radius 1.38 in @ 100 m" That means your average grouping is 2.8" at 100yds, which is abysmal, IMHO. That also translates to roughly 5.5MOA at 95%. How does 2.8'' diameter group at 100 yards equal 5.5 MOA? That would be ~2.8 MOA... |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 12:34:49 PM EDT
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How does 2.8'' diameter group at 100 yards equal 5.5 MOA? That would be ~2.8 MOA... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lastly - ZQI, as you found out the hard way, is complete junk ammo. Its factory specified to only be 5.5MOA, which is horrendous in anything short of a full-auto Browning 1919. Not even a bargain at Walmart's 50cpr, IMHO. I keep seeing this, but don't know where it's coming from. The box reads "less than one minute of angle at 100 meters". Whether any given rifle will approach that or not is one thing, but I've never seen it advertised as anything worse than 1MOA. http://zqiammo.com/ From ZQIs website: "Accuracy: Max. mean radius 1.38 in @ 100 m" That means your average grouping is 2.8" at 100yds, which is abysmal, IMHO. That also translates to roughly 5.5MOA at 95%. How does 2.8'' diameter group at 100 yards equal 5.5 MOA? That would be ~2.8 MOA... Its not a 2.8" diameter group - that is the "MEAN RADIUS" of a typical group. That's the mean (or average) radius, or the average error, as opposed to extreme spread, which is what MOA generally refers to. Assuming a normal distribution about the group center, that correlates to 1 sigma. Assuming 95% of rounds meet an MOA claim, that correlates to 2 sigma. So, the ratio of mean radius to 95% extreme radius (1/2 MOA) is 2, and the extreme expected diameter (95%) is 4*(mean radius). 1.38*4 = 5.52MOA. If there are any statisticians in here, feel free to correct me if I made a mistake. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 12:45:17 PM EDT
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runs fine with my Aero M5 receivered Rainier 20" Barrel build.
I get 3-5" groups at 100 with it. The loads are definitely inconsistent. I am running an adjustable SLR sentry 7 block on my rainier select 20" (rifle length, 1:11 twist) barrel. Once I dialed in the gas block, all my brass would pile up in nice neat spots within 12" or so of each other once they were ejected from the rifle. American Eagle would land in one spot, Perfecta would land in another, etc etc, but all fairly well grouped. The ZQI however, would eject all over the place. I would have brass spreading from 1'oclock back to 6 o'clock and the recoil/noise level would be effected in a similar manner. I dont mind the ammo, but it is just inconsistent with accuracy and powder load for sure. for .50 cents a round, I cannot complain. It gives me some brass to collect for reloading after and lets me dump rounds down range without breaking the bank. |
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Posted: 6/25/2015 9:58:16 AM EDT
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bought about 400 rounds at the local Wally World.....I hadn't owned a 308 rifle in several years and sold my dies so I wanted something to use in my 2 Palmetto 308's...........One of the Palmettos really likes the stuff........The other one runs inconsistently with it........Both rifles are using A2 stocks with the correct buffer and Springs..............The other PA10 that does not like the stuff has a 20inch Anderson Barrel on it...........I picked up a set of RCBS full length dies and loaded up a bunch of ammo......using Hornday 150 grain spire point and Winchester ball powder 748. I had no issues with the Anderson barreled PA10, gobbled up all the reloads without a hitch.........I also ran a box of Hornady American Whitetail 150 grain through it without a hitch........I also reloaded 20 rounds using ZQI brass and had no issues at all..... The batch of ZQI that was giving me issues seemed inconsistent with each pull of the trigger........almost like one round was fine and the next one seemed underpowered ......at any rate Im suspicious of this stuff......because my reloads ran fine in this rifle........ I also noticed that the powder in the ZQI ammo is dirty as hell..........I cleaned the rifle after running about 60 rounds of Winchester 748 loaded ammo and what a difference .......... anybody else have similar issues................thanks It's not just you as I've had the same result. Not with all ZQI, mind you... But a batch here and here. I chrono'ed some from a batch that I was having issues with five or six years back out of my M-14 and found maybe 80ish% running normal M80 velocity and the rest running about 2,500ish fps which is really low velocity for a full length barrel. On target I found two distinct points of impact. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 4:59:58 PM EDT
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Does anyone know the status of the zqi 5.56? I don't see it at walmart anymore even though they still carry the 7.62 flavor. If walmart is no longer stocking it what are some other outlets? Having some .308 that I can shoot out of my Ishy for only 50cents is mighty convenient, so now that I have a 5.56 gun I can only imagine that zqi's prices on that caliber would be attractive as well.
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:25:54 PM EDT
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Does anyone know the status of the zqi 5.56? I don't see it at walmart anymore even though they still carry the 7.62 flavor. If walmart is no longer stocking it what are some other outlets? Having some .308 that I can shoot out of my Ishy for only 50cents is mighty convenient, so now that I have a 5.56 gun I can only imagine that zqi's prices on that caliber would be attractive as well. The prices at Walmart were/are them clearing out what they have left, probably at a loss. The 5.56 for $0.33/round is long gone, except maybe a couple stores. You can order directly from ZQI but it's $0.38/round and shipping is on the high side. Not a terrible price but not really a deal either, about the going rate for M855/SS109. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 9:47:11 PM EDT
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Follow up on using ZQ one, I went out again today with my new DPMS GII. As reported earlier the ZQ1 was all over, absolutely no accuracy. Also I used a couple other rounds before wit poor results. Today I tried PMC and it was a bit better, 4" groups but then I tried PPU 180gr and Fusion MSR 150gr and poof, 1-1.5" groups. Seems to like the heavier rounds better. I was starting to think I needed to send the rifle back to DPMS.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 2:01:49 AM EDT
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bought about 400 rounds at the local Wally World.....I hadn't owned a 308 rifle in several years and sold my dies so I wanted something to use in my 2 Palmetto 308's...........One of the Palmettos really likes the stuff........The other one runs inconsistently with it........Both rifles are using A2 stocks with the correct buffer and Springs..............The other PA10 that does not like the stuff has a 20inch Anderson Barrel on it...........I picked up a set of RCBS full length dies and loaded up a bunch of ammo......using Hornday 150 grain spire point and Winchester ball powder 748. I had no issues with the Anderson barreled PA10, gobbled up all the reloads without a hitch.........I also ran a box of Hornady American Whitetail 150 grain through it without a hitch........I also reloaded 20 rounds using ZQI brass and had no issues at all..... The batch of ZQI that was giving me issues seemed inconsistent with each pull of the trigger........almost like one round was fine and the next one seemed underpowered ......at any rate Im suspicious of this stuff......because my reloads ran fine in this rifle........ I also noticed that the powder in the ZQI ammo is dirty as hell..........I cleaned the rifle after running about 60 rounds of Winchester 748 loaded ammo and what a difference .......... anybody else have similar issues................thanks I had the same issues with its filthiness. I don't recall ever shooting such dirty crap in my life. It went bang but after a hundred rounds the receiver was so full of crud I had to hose it out with Gun Scrub. |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 5:21:37 AM EDT
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Does anyone know the status of the zqi 5.56? I don't see it at walmart anymore even though they still carry the 7.62 flavor. If walmart is no longer stocking it what are some other outlets? Having some .308 that I can shoot out of my Ishy for only 50cents is mighty convenient, so now that I have a 5.56 gun I can only imagine that zqi's prices on that caliber would be attractive as well. contract ran out get perfecta instead |
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:41:08 PM EDT
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Oh yeah, just in case anyone wasn't aware (or I'm REALLY late to the party lol)...boxes of ZQI 7.62x51 can be apparently both Lake City M80 spec (attracted a magnet and all) and not. Still great stuff considering I picked up a bunch for $9.97 a box.
This is what I found between two boxes of ZQI...one box of 20 with the MKE stamp, but the other appears to be Lake City stamped...again, BOTH boxes were ZQI 7.62x51 sold in walmart with the "made in Turkey" label on the box. How about that... 
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:47:43 PM EDT
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Oh yeah, just in case anyone wasn't aware (or I'm REALLY late to the party lol)...boxes of ZQI 7.62x51 can be apparently both Lake City M80 spec (attracted a magnet and all) and not. Still great stuff considering I picked up a bunch for $9.97 a box. This is what I found between two boxes of ZQI...one box of 20 with the MKE stamp, but the other appears to be Lake City stamped...again, BOTH boxes were ZQI 7.62x51 sold in walmart with the "made in Turkey" label on the box. How about that...
<a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/user/hoevito/media/20150627_005511_zpsbpc9gkt0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/hoevito/20150627_005511_zpsbpc9gkt0.jpg</a> wait, so ZQI/Lake city is a bimetal jacket? or partial steel jacket? please help me understand this. I passed on a bunch of winchester m80 ball labeled as "steel jacket" the toher day at a good price to avoid extra wear and tear on my barrel.... I'm kinda bummed if these are in fact steel or partially steel jacketed bullets  . Gilded is one thing (zinc/copper alloy) partial steel is another.
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Posted: 7/1/2015 11:00:19 PM EDT
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wait, so ZQI/Lake city is a bimetal jacket? or partial steel jacket? please help me understand this. I passed on a bunch of winchester m80 ball labeled as "steel jacket" the toher day at a good price to avoid extra wear and tear on my barrel.... I'm kinda bummed if these are in fact steel or partially steel jacketed bullets . Gilded is one thing (zinc/copper alloy) partial steel is another.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh yeah, just in case anyone wasn't aware (or I'm REALLY late to the party lol)...boxes of ZQI 7.62x51 can be apparently both Lake City M80 spec (attracted a magnet and all) and not. Still great stuff considering I picked up a bunch for $9.97 a box. This is what I found between two boxes of ZQI...one box of 20 with the MKE stamp, but the other appears to be Lake City stamped...again, BOTH boxes were ZQI 7.62x51 sold in walmart with the "made in Turkey" label on the box. How about that...
<a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/user/hoevito/media/20150627_005511_zpsbpc9gkt0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/hoevito/20150627_005511_zpsbpc9gkt0.jpg</a> wait, so ZQI/Lake city is a bimetal jacket? or partial steel jacket? please help me understand this. I passed on a bunch of winchester m80 ball labeled as "steel jacket" the toher day at a good price to avoid extra wear and tear on my barrel.... I'm kinda bummed if these are in fact steel or partially steel jacketed bullets . Gilded is one thing (zinc/copper alloy) partial steel is another.I'm pretty sure it's copper washed steel jacketed, but from what I gather it may not necessarily be. I found out when I tried to shoot some of this stuff at a local indoor range, and one box passed the magnet test while the other failed. I was VERY surprised, and didn't even notice that the stuff was actually stamped Lake City instead of MKE until I got home and checked it out. The range officer claimed that m80 has a steel penetrator, ala m855 
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Posted: 7/1/2015 11:08:05 PM EDT
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i just looked it up. M80 ball does NOT have a steel penetrator, but it does have a thin, partial steel jacket.
Layer of Copper Layer of steel Layer of Copper Lead Core...  not sure what to think. I did not want to pound bimetal bullets through my stainless barrel... and sure enough, I have.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:43:34 AM EDT
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I'm pretty sure it's copper washed steel jacketed, but from what I gather it may not necessarily be. I found out when I tried to shoot some of this stuff at a local indoor range, and one box passed the magnet test while the other failed. I was VERY surprised, and didn't even notice that the stuff was actually stamped Lake City instead of MKE until I got home and checked it out. The range officer claimed that m80 has a steel penetrator, ala m855 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh yeah, just in case anyone wasn't aware (or I'm REALLY late to the party lol)...boxes of ZQI 7.62x51 can be apparently both Lake City M80 spec (attracted a magnet and all) and not. Still great stuff considering I picked up a bunch for $9.97 a box. This is what I found between two boxes of ZQI...one box of 20 with the MKE stamp, but the other appears to be Lake City stamped...again, BOTH boxes were ZQI 7.62x51 sold in walmart with the "made in Turkey" label on the box. How about that...
<a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/user/hoevito/media/20150627_005511_zpsbpc9gkt0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/hoevito/20150627_005511_zpsbpc9gkt0.jpg</a> wait, so ZQI/Lake city is a bimetal jacket? or partial steel jacket? please help me understand this. I passed on a bunch of winchester m80 ball labeled as "steel jacket" the toher day at a good price to avoid extra wear and tear on my barrel.... I'm kinda bummed if these are in fact steel or partially steel jacketed bullets . Gilded is one thing (zinc/copper alloy) partial steel is another.I'm pretty sure it's copper washed steel jacketed, but from what I gather it may not necessarily be. I found out when I tried to shoot some of this stuff at a local indoor range, and one box passed the magnet test while the other failed. I was VERY surprised, and didn't even notice that the stuff was actually stamped Lake City instead of MKE until I got home and checked it out. The range officer claimed that m80 has a steel penetrator, ala m855 The ZQI boxes aren't glued very well, and break open. Looks like you got a "repack", where some LC was mixed in with ZQI when the boxes busted open. I got one box where there was only 19 rounds (WM employee couldn't count when refilling and taping up the box). ZQI doesn't use LC brass. Oh, and XM80 is magnetic, ZQI is NOT... at least, none of my 2K rounds are. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:08:16 AM EDT
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The ZQI boxes aren't glued very well, and break open. Looks like you got a "repack", where some LC was mixed in with ZQI when the boxes busted open. I got one box where there was only 19 rounds (WM employee couldn't count when refilling and taping up the box). ZQI doesn't use LC brass. Oh, and XM80 is magnetic, ZQI is NOT... at least, none of my 2K rounds are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh yeah, just in case anyone wasn't aware (or I'm REALLY late to the party lol)...boxes of ZQI 7.62x51 can be apparently both Lake City M80 spec (attracted a magnet and all) and not. Still great stuff considering I picked up a bunch for $9.97 a box. This is what I found between two boxes of ZQI...one box of 20 with the MKE stamp, but the other appears to be Lake City stamped...again, BOTH boxes were ZQI 7.62x51 sold in walmart with the "made in Turkey" label on the box. How about that...
<a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/user/hoevito/media/20150627_005511_zpsbpc9gkt0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i59/hoevito/20150627_005511_zpsbpc9gkt0.jpg</a> wait, so ZQI/Lake city is a bimetal jacket? or partial steel jacket? please help me understand this. I passed on a bunch of winchester m80 ball labeled as "steel jacket" the toher day at a good price to avoid extra wear and tear on my barrel.... I'm kinda bummed if these are in fact steel or partially steel jacketed bullets . Gilded is one thing (zinc/copper alloy) partial steel is another.I'm pretty sure it's copper washed steel jacketed, but from what I gather it may not necessarily be. I found out when I tried to shoot some of this stuff at a local indoor range, and one box passed the magnet test while the other failed. I was VERY surprised, and didn't even notice that the stuff was actually stamped Lake City instead of MKE until I got home and checked it out. The range officer claimed that m80 has a steel penetrator, ala m855 The ZQI boxes aren't glued very well, and break open. Looks like you got a "repack", where some LC was mixed in with ZQI when the boxes busted open. I got one box where there was only 19 rounds (WM employee couldn't count when refilling and taping up the box). ZQI doesn't use LC brass. Oh, and XM80 is magnetic, ZQI is NOT... at least, none of my 2K rounds are. May have been a repack for all I know, but I can confirm all 20 rounds were Lake City m80. Interesting nonetheless...don't know how it could've happened, but maybe with these odds I should play the lottery more
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Posted: 7/2/2015 10:20:28 AM EDT
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I just went through my 147 to 150 grain FMJ ammo with a magnet and checked.
ZQI- NOT magnetic (copper jacket only) Federal XM80CL- MAGNETIC (gilded jacket of steel and copper) Perfecta 308 win (made my tulammo)- not Magnetic American Eagle 308 win- not Magnetic Remington UMC 308 win- not magnetic basically lake city, federal, etc (domestic M80 ball producers) have gilded jackets. Foreign stuff you won't know til you hit it with a magnet. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 2:16:12 PM EDT
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i just looked it up. M80 ball does NOT have a steel penetrator, but it does have a thin, partial steel jacket. Layer of Copper Layer of steel Layer of Copper Lead Core... not sure what to think. I did not want to pound bimetal bullets through my stainless barrel... and sure enough, I have.Could be worse. I bought a case of CBC M80 - first I discovered that it was bi-metal, THEN I got an X-series LAR8 tackdriver from RRA, and they included a note with the rifle that says "Do not shoot CBC ammo through this rifle! Contact customer service for details." So, I contacted RRA, and they said that the CBC ammo was horribly inconsistent - so bad they thought they had a defective lot, but when they contacted CBC about it, the company didn't seem to care - so RRA recommends not shooting CBC at all. I have 3 other rifles chambered in 308, but I don't necessarily want to put the stuff through any of them, and I still have a WHOLE damned case. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:55:36 PM EDT
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I've had mixed results so far. It all fires fine, not short stroking or FTF. I've only put it throught 4 firearms so far.
Franken SR25 clone (CMMG Upper, DPMS lower and BCG, KAC Stock and URX Rail, and a head down defense barrel) it shot 4.5" groups at 100 with an aimpoint G3a4 Parts kit build shot about a 12-13" group. it was so all over the place I gave up on it. It runs South African like a top and is consistently under 4" with that. Savage 110FP reworked by a well known rifle maker. It shot a 2.9" group at 110 yards. not terrible I guess, but the same rifle like FGMM 168 and will put 5rds of that under a half inch if I do my part. 3/4 of an inch the rest of the time. Semi 1919a4 parts kit build in .308. I ran about 100rds of it mixed into a belt... it all hit the 14" inch tree I was aiming at. so you know, I've got that going for me.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 12:41:12 AM EDT
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In the other thread concerning ZQI ammo, it seems everyone who has used the 7.62x51 stuff has nothing but positive things to say about it. My walmart has 12 boxes and not sure if I should fo if it's going to shoot crappy 4-12" groups.
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Posted: 7/7/2015 11:29:37 AM EDT
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In the other thread concerning ZQI ammo, it seems everyone who has used the 7.62x51 stuff has nothing but positive things to say about it. My walmart has 12 boxes and not sure if I should fo if it's going to shoot crappy 4-12" groups. Its garbage. At 50 cpr, there are those that are happy if the rounds all fire and the gun doesn't blow up. I might want to do some spray n' pray blasting at 25 cpr, but personally, I don't have any use for a 308 round (50 cent or otherwise) that can't print a <2" group at 100 yards. I ended up buying some of the ZQI, but I'm just going use it to foul my barrels before running the REAL ammo through them. |
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Posted: 7/7/2015 7:00:13 PM EDT
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Its garbage. At 50 cpr, there are those that are happy if the rounds all fire and the gun doesn't blow up. I might want to do some spray n' pray blasting at 25 cpr, but personally, I don't have any use for a 308 round (50 cent or otherwise) that can't print a <2" group at 100 yards. I ended up buying some of the ZQI, but I'm just going use it to foul my barrels before running the REAL ammo through them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In the other thread concerning ZQI ammo, it seems everyone who has used the 7.62x51 stuff has nothing but positive things to say about it. My walmart has 12 boxes and not sure if I should fo if it's going to shoot crappy 4-12" groups. Its garbage. At 50 cpr, there are those that are happy if the rounds all fire and the gun doesn't blow up. I might want to do some spray n' pray blasting at 25 cpr, but personally, I don't have any use for a 308 round (50 cent or otherwise) that can't print a <2" group at 100 yards. I ended up buying some of the ZQI, but I'm just going use it to foul my barrels before running the REAL ammo through them. Duly noted. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 7:59:32 PM EDT
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Well ZQI 7.62 is back in quantity at all the Wallyworlds in my AO. One store had 20 boxes in the case and another 100 in the back.
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Posted: 7/19/2015 9:39:55 PM EDT
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Could be worse. I bought a case of CBC M80 - first I discovered that it was bi-metal, THEN I got an X-series LAR8 tackdriver from RRA, and they included a note with the rifle that says "Do not shoot CBC ammo through this rifle! Contact customer service for details." So, I contacted RRA, and they said that the CBC ammo was horribly inconsistent - so bad they thought they had a defective lot, but when they contacted CBC about it, the company didn't seem to care - so RRA recommends not shooting CBC at all. I have 3 other rifles chambered in 308, but I don't necessarily want to put the stuff through any of them, and I still have a WHOLE damned case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i just looked it up. M80 ball does NOT have a steel penetrator, but it does have a thin, partial steel jacket. Layer of Copper Layer of steel Layer of Copper Lead Core... not sure what to think. I did not want to pound bimetal bullets through my stainless barrel... and sure enough, I have.Could be worse. I bought a case of CBC M80 - first I discovered that it was bi-metal, THEN I got an X-series LAR8 tackdriver from RRA, and they included a note with the rifle that says "Do not shoot CBC ammo through this rifle! Contact customer service for details." So, I contacted RRA, and they said that the CBC ammo was horribly inconsistent - so bad they thought they had a defective lot, but when they contacted CBC about it, the company didn't seem to care - so RRA recommends not shooting CBC at all. I have 3 other rifles chambered in 308, but I don't necessarily want to put the stuff through any of them, and I still have a WHOLE damned case. Seriously, you need a FAL to eat up all that "useless" ammo.... 
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Posted: 7/21/2015 1:55:03 PM EDT
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i just looked it up. M80 ball does NOT have a steel penetrator, but it does have a thin, partial steel jacket. Layer of Copper Layer of steel Layer of Copper Lead Core... not sure what to think. I did not want to pound bimetal bullets through my stainless barrel... and sure enough, I have.Could be worse. I bought a case of CBC M80 - first I discovered that it was bi-metal, THEN I got an X-series LAR8 tackdriver from RRA, and they included a note with the rifle that says "Do not shoot CBC ammo through this rifle! Contact customer service for details." So, I contacted RRA, and they said that the CBC ammo was horribly inconsistent - so bad they thought they had a defective lot, but when they contacted CBC about it, the company didn't seem to care - so RRA recommends not shooting CBC at all. I have 3 other rifles chambered in 308, but I don't necessarily want to put the stuff through any of them, and I still have a WHOLE damned case. Seriously, you need a FAL to eat up all that "useless" ammo.... Not a problem - I have a PTR91 that will eat it (and like it). |
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Posted: 7/25/2015 10:57:03 AM EDT
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Interesting tour of the ZQI factory by Military Arms Channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTPXSKkaCAE Hking |
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Posted: 7/25/2015 5:21:14 PM EDT
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My old Sig 716 hated the ZQI 7.62, my S&W MP-10 likes it and my Springfield M1Asquad scout loves it.
The Sig got 8" groups at 100, the M&P 10 gets 3" groups and the SA M1A gets 1.5" groups at 100. It's good ammo but kind of dirty not as bad as other. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 3:20:44 PM EDT
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It's been great ammo in my PTR 91 GI and ruger scout.
Accuracy has been average, but all I use these rifles for is bang steel plates from 100-300 yards. Works fine for that. |
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