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Posted: 6/25/2014 6:11:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JarHead94:
I'll tell ya what I think....so get ready! 
I was about to stick a high-dollar barrel on my 6920, since I was already putting on an expensive PRI free-float tube. A guy that was helping me do the build insisted I shoot the stock M4 barrel first before I spent more money than needed. I did as he suggested, and to my surprise it shot so good as is, that an 18" match barrel couldn't be justified at the time. So, kudos to you for not getting rid of something that works just because the build list requires it! I guess everyone will say ours aren't really "recce" type rifles without the 18" match barrel, and I am sure they are right, however, to the untrained eye, you can't tell what barrel I have by casual glance, and certainly not by looking at the groups it shoots. I'm happy with mine. I do need an Geiselle or at least and RRA NM trigger. I just can't afford it right now. I am thinking about ditching the PEPR mounts for LaRue or ADM in the near future. I am tickled as a pig in poop with the MTAC scope, however, I am thinking of stepping up the 1.5x-6x version. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JarHead94:
Originally Posted By WideFlange:
My parts and pieces collection resembles an actual rifle, a really nice shooting one at that. It has an Adams Arms Piston with a Walther Lothar 16" barrel and a RRA 2 stage trigger. The Atlas belongs elsewhere, but I think the SWFA 1-6 will stay (that way i wont be tempted to sell it) A good friend from my days in the USAF has staked claim to it with the idea that he will actually buy it from me someday. (im not holding my breath) http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b499/WideFlange1/imagejpg5_zpsa9807d14.jpg What does the hive think? I'll tell ya what I think....so get ready!
I was about to stick a high-dollar barrel on my 6920, since I was already putting on an expensive PRI free-float tube. A guy that was helping me do the build insisted I shoot the stock M4 barrel first before I spent more money than needed. I did as he suggested, and to my surprise it shot so good as is, that an 18" match barrel couldn't be justified at the time. So, kudos to you for not getting rid of something that works just because the build list requires it! I guess everyone will say ours aren't really "recce" type rifles without the 18" match barrel, and I am sure they are right, however, to the untrained eye, you can't tell what barrel I have by casual glance, and certainly not by looking at the groups it shoots. I'm happy with mine. I do need an Geiselle or at least and RRA NM trigger. I just can't afford it right now. I am thinking about ditching the PEPR mounts for LaRue or ADM in the near future. I am tickled as a pig in poop with the MTAC scope, however, I am thinking of stepping up the 1.5x-6x version. FYI, Recce barrels are not 18". The Lilja barrel measures 17" from end to end. My guess is that actual length is 16.5" or so. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 6:16:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By new-arguy:
Two of those are mine and both have NPR2 reticles, which work fine. A friend, Jboy on here, has one with the FC2 reticle and dislikes it. Each of us purchased these when they were in production, so did not have to pay the collectors item prices. I doubt I would. I like having these scopes because of their compact size and light weight, and they are the proper optics on my SEAL Recce and 416 Recce. But it's small objective lens means a smaller FOV and tighter restrictions on how much your head can move behind the optic. Not a great picture, but this is the view through it at targets that are 700, 800, 900 and 1000 yards https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/1014002_754874844542413_66245114_n.jpg I'm using the FC-2 in my 1-4x and like it a good bit. I probably wouldn't care for it in a 2.5-10x. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 6:51:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hydra-shokz:
I'm using the FC-2 in my 1-4x and like it a good bit. I probably wouldn't care for it in a 2.5-10x. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hydra-shokz:
Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Two of those are mine and both have NPR2 reticles, which work fine. A friend, Jboy on here, has one with the FC2 reticle and dislikes it. Each of us purchased these when they were in production, so did not have to pay the collectors item prices. I doubt I would. I like having these scopes because of their compact size and light weight, and they are the proper optics on my SEAL Recce and 416 Recce. But it's small objective lens means a smaller FOV and tighter restrictions on how much your head can move behind the optic. Not a great picture, but this is the view through it at targets that are 700, 800, 900 and 1000 yards https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/1014002_754874844542413_66245114_n.jpg I'm using the FC-2 in my 1-4x and like it a good bit. I probably wouldn't care for it in a 2.5-10x. I think I'd like the FC-2 in the 1-4. Always wanted to try that scope. For a 2.5-10 I'd go with something else. Personally I use the NP-R2. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 7:30:03 PM EDT
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KAC/MRP Recce
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:31:09 PM EDT
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Since y'all are on the subject and seem knowledge about them, I was looking into the nf 1x4 but heard the eye relief can be finicky and the illumination is not day time bright, does that sound about right?
Pic thread, my 308 "recce"  2014-06-25 09.04.46_3 by tb5252, on Flickr
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Posted: 6/26/2014 3:32:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TannerB:
Since y'all are on the subject and seem knowledge about them, I was looking into the nf 1x4 but heard the eye relief can be finicky and the illumination is not day time bright, does that sound about right? Pic thread, my 308 "recce" <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nPixXa" target="_blank">https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3864/14318791827_359b0e1493_c.jpg</a>2014-06-25 09.04.46_3 by tb5252, on Flickr Very nice! One day I'll get around to the .308 |
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Posted: 6/26/2014 10:11:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hydra-shokz:
I'm using the FC-2 in my 1-4x and like it a good bit. I probably wouldn't care for it in a 2.5-10x. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hydra-shokz:
Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Two of those are mine and both have NPR2 reticles, which work fine. A friend, Jboy on here, has one with the FC2 reticle and dislikes it. Each of us purchased these when they were in production, so did not have to pay the collectors item prices. I doubt I would. I like having these scopes because of their compact size and light weight, and they are the proper optics on my SEAL Recce and 416 Recce. But it's small objective lens means a smaller FOV and tighter restrictions on how much your head can move behind the optic. Not a great picture, but this is the view through it at targets that are 700, 800, 900 and 1000 yards https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/1014002_754874844542413_66245114_n.jpg I'm using the FC-2 in my 1-4x and like it a good bit. I probably wouldn't care for it in a 2.5-10x. I have the FC-3 in a 1-4x, its their new version of the FC-2 which I used to have. I like the FC-3 a little better. Same concept but more reference marks for ranging and drop. I have it on my LMT MRP, which "could" be a Recce style rifle, depending on which barrel I installed! 
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Posted: 6/26/2014 10:57:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By new-arguy:
I have the FC-3 in a 1-4x, its their new version of the FC-2 which I used to have. I like the FC-3 a little better. Same concept but more reference marks for ranging and drop. I have it on my LMT MRP, which "could" be a Recce style rifle, depending on which barrel I installed! https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10177359_823705614326002_7851522925868927191_n.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By new-arguy:
Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz:
Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Two of those are mine and both have NPR2 reticles, which work fine. A friend, Jboy on here, has one with the FC2 reticle and dislikes it. Each of us purchased these when they were in production, so did not have to pay the collectors item prices. I doubt I would. I like having these scopes because of their compact size and light weight, and they are the proper optics on my SEAL Recce and 416 Recce. But it's small objective lens means a smaller FOV and tighter restrictions on how much your head can move behind the optic. Not a great picture, but this is the view through it at targets that are 700, 800, 900 and 1000 yards https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/1014002_754874844542413_66245114_n.jpg I'm using the FC-2 in my 1-4x and like it a good bit. I probably wouldn't care for it in a 2.5-10x. I have the FC-3 in a 1-4x, its their new version of the FC-2 which I used to have. I like the FC-3 a little better. Same concept but more reference marks for ranging and drop. I have it on my LMT MRP, which "could" be a Recce style rifle, depending on which barrel I installed! https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/10177359_823705614326002_7851522925868927191_n.jpg To answer the last question--the illumination is not daylight visible. Nice rifles gents! |
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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:52:52 PM EDT
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As said above the NF 1-4's are not daylight bright. This isn't an issue for me since I really don't need it to be. Lowlight it works fine. Even with the illumination off the reticle pops right up when I light a target with my torch. I reckon if my rifle was geared toward 3-gun I'd probably want something a little brighter. As a "fighting optic" the NF 1-4's are tough to beat. They are very compact and simple, which is nice, IMO. And for the most part, bomb proof. I think I paid a little over 1100 for mine which is too bad IMO. My NXS 5.5-22x50mm MOAR has also been really solid optic.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 7:02:45 PM EDT
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My 14.7 midlength in Recce form. Upper and Optic/Mount combo are both for sale. Message for details. 
'Scuse the messy living room and obligatory arfcom foot/hairy thigh. |
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Posted: 6/26/2014 7:25:04 PM EDT
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Got my Mini-4 stamp in.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 8:23:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNasty stick how's the new can? |
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Posted: 6/26/2014 11:00:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattNificent:
Devgru Gold Squadron in Somalia http://oi58.tinypic.com/28u7p5d.jpg very similar set up to the "sawman recce" ....difference beingfixed stock, shorter tube, a riser under the scope, no suppressor.....i didnt know there was flat tops around at that time though, custom job perhaps??? The upper looks like ones that used to be made by Accuracy Speaks, not sure if it would be current in that particular timeframe - but many builders did similar modification attaching Weaver rails to cut down carry handled uppers. The stock and lower all look like A2 parts, probably "started out" as a full RO727. Hmmm... maybe another clone to pursue? 
These pre-SOPMOD/M4 era weapons are really fascinating. ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/26/2014 11:40:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Morg308]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee:
The upper looks like ones that used to be made by Accuracy Speaks, not sure if it would be current in that particular timeframe - but many builders did similar modification attaching Weaver rails to cut down carry handled uppers. The stock and lower all look like A2 parts, probably "started out" as a full RO727. Hmmm... maybe another clone to pursue?
These pre-SOPMOD/M4 era weapons are really fascinating. ~Augee Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By MattNificent:
Devgru Gold Squadron in Somalia http://oi58.tinypic.com/28u7p5d.jpg very similar set up to the "sawman recce" ....difference beingfixed stock, shorter tube, a riser under the scope, no suppressor.....i didnt know there was flat tops around at that time though, custom job perhaps??? The upper looks like ones that used to be made by Accuracy Speaks, not sure if it would be current in that particular timeframe - but many builders did similar modification attaching Weaver rails to cut down carry handled uppers. The stock and lower all look like A2 parts, probably "started out" as a full RO727. Hmmm... maybe another clone to pursue?
These pre-SOPMOD/M4 era weapons are really fascinating. ~Augee Augee- I've considered doing a cut-down carry handle flattop before, and am reconsidering it because of this pic. What do you think the FF tube and the scope are? ETA: Looking at it close up, I think it's either a cut down C7 or A2 upper - has the Brunton Bump. |
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Posted: 6/27/2014 1:21:06 AM EDT
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Just finished mine
Upper: krieger 16.5" wylde chambered, Vltor, Y/M carrier, DD lite rail, troy front/kac rear BUIS, BAW muzzle break. Lower: LWRC with SSA-e trigger on the way. Took her out first time to the range last week to work on the load-developement. Pic is 69 gr nosler hbpt, wil have to fine tune and work on 77 gr next. http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1187_zpsbdd27411.jpg http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1188_zps3b7c907e.jpg http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1189_zpsf9a00e7e.jpg http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1194_zpsbf2cfb35.jpg http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/69n140_zps38051402.jpg |
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Posted: 6/27/2014 1:21:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morg308:
Augee- I've considered doing a cut-down carry handle flattop before, and am reconsidering it because of this pic. What do you think the FF tube and the scope are? ETA: Looking at it close up, I think it's either a cut down C7 or A2 upper - has the Brunton Bump. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morg308:
Originally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By MattNificent:
Devgru Gold Squadron in Somalia http://oi58.tinypic.com/28u7p5d.jpg very similar set up to the "sawman recce" ....difference beingfixed stock, shorter tube, a riser under the scope, no suppressor.....i didnt know there was flat tops around at that time though, custom job perhaps??? The upper looks like ones that used to be made by Accuracy Speaks, not sure if it would be current in that particular timeframe - but many builders did similar modification attaching Weaver rails to cut down carry handled uppers. The stock and lower all look like A2 parts, probably "started out" as a full RO727. Hmmm... maybe another clone to pursue?
These pre-SOPMOD/M4 era weapons are really fascinating. ~Augee Augee- I've considered doing a cut-down carry handle flattop before, and am reconsidering it because of this pic. What do you think the FF tube and the scope are? ETA: Looking at it close up, I think it's either a cut down C7 or A2 upper - has the Brunton Bump. Not sure at a glance on the scope or tube, though the Bushmaster/QP V-Match is usually associated with that time period. My guess would be that it was a complete RO727 A2 upper that was modified, there've been a couple of accounts and photographs of RO727s being used with fixed stocks (sometimes claimed to be MK 4 MOD 0 lowers, though that photo looks like an A2 stock and lower) in the same role and as a precursor to the "NSW Recce," and it might be fair to say that the "recce" "evolved" from that kind of configuration. ~Augee |
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Posted: 6/27/2014 9:57:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ptnguyen:
Just finished mine Upper: krieger 16.5" wylde chambered, Vltor, Y/M carrier, DD lite rail, troy front/kac rear BUIS, BAW muzzle break. Lower: LWRC with SSA-e trigger on the way. Took her out first time to the range last week to work on the load-developement. Pic is 69 gr nosler hbpt, wil have to fine tune and work on 77 gr next. <a href="http://s893.photobucket.com/user/ntpphong/media/DSC_1187_zpsbdd27411.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1187_zpsbdd27411.jpg</a> <a href="http://s893.photobucket.com/user/ntpphong/media/DSC_1188_zps3b7c907e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1188_zps3b7c907e.jpg</a> <a href="http://s893.photobucket.com/user/ntpphong/media/DSC_1189_zpsf9a00e7e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1189_zpsf9a00e7e.jpg</a> <a href="http://s893.photobucket.com/user/ntpphong/media/DSC_1194_zpsbf2cfb35.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1194_zpsbf2cfb35.jpg</a> <a href="http://s893.photobucket.com/user/ntpphong/media/69n140_zps38051402.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/69n140_zps38051402.jpg</a> Looks good! |
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Posted: 6/27/2014 11:24:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ptnguyen:
Just finished mine Upper: krieger 16.5" wylde chambered, Vltor, Y/M carrier, DD lite rail, troy front/kac rear BUIS, BAW muzzle break. Lower: LWRC with SSA-e trigger on the way. Took her out first time to the range last week to work on the load-developement. Pic is 69 gr nosler hbpt, wil have to fine tune and work on 77 gr next. <a href="http://s893.photobucket.com/user/ntpphong/media/DSC_1187_zpsbdd27411.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1187_zpsbdd27411.jpg</a> <a href="http://s893.photobucket.com/user/ntpphong/media/DSC_1188_zps3b7c907e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1188_zps3b7c907e.jpg</a> <a href="http://s893.photobucket.com/user/ntpphong/media/DSC_1189_zpsf9a00e7e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1189_zpsf9a00e7e.jpg</a> <a href="http://s893.photobucket.com/user/ntpphong/media/DSC_1194_zpsbf2cfb35.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/DSC_1194_zpsbf2cfb35.jpg</a> <a href="http://s893.photobucket.com/user/ntpphong/media/69n140_zps38051402.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac133/ntpphong/69n140_zps38051402.jpg</a> Nice rig and good shooting! I'm hoping to get out this weekend and try out some different ammo. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:28:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: krichbaum]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce:
Got my Mini-4 stamp in.
I love my mini-4. I wish I had another one or two. 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 3:52:36 PM EDT
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Ringin out some steel
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Posted: 6/29/2014 3:54:57 AM EDT
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Got the balls to paint my recce.... I think it turned out nice
Sorry about the mess my son decided to bring out all his stuff into the living room... |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2014 2:17:35 PM EDT
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Upper is listed in the ee 
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Posted: 6/29/2014 5:29:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Got the balls to paint my recce.... I think it turned out nice http://<a href=http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u510/davegibbs45/031B9FF8-AFCE-427B-BE1E-E21765FB8237.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u510/davegibbs45/C09033C4-D7C9-45B7-BC07-359AF521C56B.jpg</a>" /> Sorry about the mess my son decided to bring out all his stuff into the living room... Can we get specs on the HK UZI36 cap gun? |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 6:54:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By westford86:
Can we get specs on the HK UZI36 cap gun? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By westford86:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Got the balls to paint my recce.... I think it turned out nice http://<a href=http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u510/davegibbs45/031B9FF8-AFCE-427B-BE1E-E21765FB8237.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u510/davegibbs45/C09033C4-D7C9-45B7-BC07-359AF521C56B.jpg</a>" /> Sorry about the mess my son decided to bring out all his stuff into the living room... Can we get specs on the HK UZI36 cap gun?
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Posted: 6/29/2014 7:57:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Arson8Ball]
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Hello! I've lurked for a while and finally made an account! Besides the Block II thread this one has always been one of my favorites, theres some great looking rifles in here! Anyhow, time to post my Recce upper, ill get around to putting a lower together this fall! Love this thing, the specs are:
16" Noveske Recon barrel SureFire MB556RC Vltor Gas Block Geissele Mk 4 SMR Noveske Upper KAC Micro BUIS 2-600 rear (Cant get the front sight to zero at the moment) No name BCG (need to upgrade this) BCM Gunfighter CH LaRue QD mount with Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10 Harris Bipod on LaRue QD mount on my Block II's lower: Noveske Chainsaw Geissele SSAE B5 SOPMOD BCM Gunfighter Grip  </a>" />
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I can only shoot at 100 yds at the moment, im looking forward to stretching her legs a little more when I get the opportunity! |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 10:06:05 PM EDT
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Here is a close up of the pattern. This was my first camo attempt, I may actually strip it and redo in Duracoat....
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Posted: 6/29/2014 10:56:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GuynamedDave: Here is a close up of the pattern. This was my first camo attempt, I may actually strip it and redo in Duracoat.... http://<a href=http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u510/davegibbs45/60E15872-AED9-4C44-9147-689BE8F2EBCC.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u510/davegibbs45/0511CAAA-EB2B-44E5-B2C3-1DBAB76C27AB.jpg</a>" />  Don't be foolish. |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 10:56:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Here is a close up of the pattern. This was my first camo attempt, I may actually strip it and redo in Duracoat.... http://<a href=http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u510/davegibbs45/60E15872-AED9-4C44-9147-689BE8F2EBCC.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u510/davegibbs45/0511CAAA-EB2B-44E5-B2C3-1DBAB76C27AB.jpg</a>" /> Looks good the way it is. I hate how shiny duracoat looks.. |
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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:15:23 PM EDT
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For those of you who do it, how are you guys coating your SS barrels to get rid of the high light reflective qualities of SS?
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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:54:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beve: For those of you who do it, how are you guys coating your SS barrels to get rid of the high light reflective qualities of SS? I used Duracoat on mine, but that shit sucked dick. So what I did was just spray painted that shit and haven't looked back.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 6:11:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beve:
For those of you who do it, how are you guys coating your SS barrels to get rid of the high light reflective qualities of SS? Blasted with 120 AO 
You can also rattle can it with flat black BBQ paint or header paint. If you have the correct tools, Armor Black Cerakote(or any color) is probably the best finish going. I also really like KG Gunkote 1600. This KG stuff only comes in flat black and is the only KG product I will use. It really works well with pistol barrels with its PTFE. |
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Posted: 6/30/2014 2:56:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/30/2014 4:15:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spc71:
http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh614/spc1071/50ce0826896bef6f89a226ebdad1a4a5_zps07b13fd7.jpg Nice rifle! However I never liked that trigger guard for some reason. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 6:04:13 PM EDT
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Anyone have a recce build with a 16" barrel and a 15" handguard?
I am thinking of setting one up and I'd love to see it. |
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:36:18 PM EDT
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Top one is a 16" BCM with a 15" Geissele MK3
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/2/2014 10:58:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3rdline]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brew1182:
Top one is a 16" BCM with a 15" Geissele MK3 Thanks man... I think I like it. Decisions, decisions. Anyone using a fixed stock, specifically a PRS? Or does the weight throw the balance way off? |
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Posted: 7/3/2014 7:10:57 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3rdline:
Thanks man... I think I like it. Decisions, decisions. Anyone using a fixed stock, specifically a PRS? Or does the weight throw the balance way off? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3rdline:
Originally Posted By Brew1182:
Top one is a 16" BCM with a 15" Geissele MK3 Thanks man... I think I like it. Decisions, decisions. Anyone using a fixed stock, specifically a PRS? Or does the weight throw the balance way off? A fixed stock, would slightly fall outside of the "Spirit" of the "RECCE" rifle "Concept". Originally was a carbine, with a 16" accurized stainless barreled, carbine length gas system, full rifle length handguard/rail system, variable powered optics, collapsible stock... Basically a "Baby" MK12 SPR, but was a concept, and in use a lil bit before SPR. Some say that it's "Dated"... I say that it's "Perfect!"
If I think that I'm going to have to engage paper or poppers at further than 600 yds, I'm not grabbing one of my 5.56 rifles... No matter if I have 2 more inches of barrel length for 100 or so FPS
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Posted: 7/3/2014 7:41:47 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1:
A fixed stock, would slightly fall outside of the "Spirit" of the "RECCE" rifle "Concept". Originally was a carbine, with a 16" accurized stainless barreled, carbine length gas system, full rifle length handguard/rail system, variable powered optics, collapsible stock... Basically a "Baby" MK12 SPR, but was a concept, and in use a lil bit before SPR. Granted, I don't know about a PRS... But as far as fixed stocks go, I'd say that there's nothing wrong with a fixed stock - near as I can tell, the "original" recce concept seems to have grown out of modified COTS M16A2 Carbines (RO72x series), many of which featured fixed stocks, with some of the earliest reported to have been RO72x uppers on MK 4 MOD 0 lowers. I would think that fixed stocks, if that were user preference, would be more than appropriate in the "spirit" and "concept" of the recce. 
~Augee |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/3/2014 9:04:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3rdline]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1:
A fixed stock, would slightly fall outside of the "Spirit" of the "RECCE" rifle "Concept". Originally was a carbine, with a 16" accurized stainless barreled, carbine length gas system, full rifle length handguard/rail system, variable powered optics, collapsible stock... Basically a "Baby" MK12 SPR, but was a concept, and in use a lil bit before SPR. Some say that it's "Dated"... I say that it's "Perfect!"
If I think that I'm going to have to engage paper or poppers at further than 600 yds, I'm not grabbing one of my 5.56 rifles... No matter if I have 2 more inches of barrel length for 100 or so FPS
Well thats good, because thats pretty much what I am going for. 
But I consider myself lucky, and I wont be using this in any combat situations, so I wont be getting out of any vehicles with this strapped on my chest. I am tall and I like LOP and comb adjustments, so realistically this will be a sub 400 yard varmint gun/"tactical gun" (aka something I can practice with and would be a 50-400 yard gun if anarchy reigned) that I will eventually buy a 6.5 Grendel upper for as well. In both those situations a fixed stock has advantages. When it comes down to it I am not building an exact clone (cool for those that do but its not my thing) so whether its a wannabe-SPR or wannabe-Recce is really a matter of 2" of barrel. The way I see it most of these guns in the SPR and Recce build threads have more in common with a 3 gun setup than anything else, and those guys successfully use tons of different stocks. Anyway, I'm not disagreeing, I am sure you know more about the spirit of the true Recce than I do, but I am happy to take part in this as a wanna-be. I read a lot of the thread looking for inspiration and it seemed that this Recce thread and the SPR thread (not the mk12 thread) were cool with builds that took the heritage from the guns but weren't clones. If this isnt the case, feel free to correct me. 
Odds are I will probably throw an ACS on it first and see how that goes, but I am playing with the idea of a PRS or the new LUTH-AR. |
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Posted: 7/3/2014 9:34:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ObsceneJesster]
[#40]
The Barrel is a 16" Rainier MEDCON and the optics are SWFA SS 1x6. I'm waiting on a mount for my Elzetta and I'm trying to decide which Bi-Pod I want to use.
 Burnt Bronze1 by ObsceneJesster, on Flickr
 Burnt Bronze2 by ObsceneJesster, on Flickr
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Posted: 7/3/2014 9:35:52 PM EDT
[#41]
I am in NO WAY an authority in anything in this Recce thread!
If Augee says a fixed stock is... Acutally, NO... A PRS is not acceptable!!! There are some very loose variables in this thread... But I'll say it right now, that a PRS or any other fixed stock, disqualifies you... These rifles have adjustable stocks... Nevermind the premium barrels, Optics, and trigger set-ups 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/3/2014 11:33:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beve:
For those of you who do it, how are you guys coating your SS barrels to get rid of the high light reflective qualities of SS? Better to bead blast it. On the original RECCE order with Dan spec'd bead blasted and it kills the reflection entirely (dull grey) without no pits for rust or a coat/paint that can wear off. |
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Posted: 7/4/2014 12:57:58 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scrum:
Better to bead blast it. On the original RECCE order with Dan spec'd bead blasted and it kills the reflection entirely (dull grey) without no pits for rust or a coat/paint that can wear off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scrum:
Originally Posted By beve:
For those of you who do it, how are you guys coating your SS barrels to get rid of the high light reflective qualities of SS? Better to bead blast it. On the original RECCE order with Dan spec'd bead blasted and it kills the reflection entirely (dull grey) without no pits for rust or a coat/paint that can wear off. I second this. I had a SS barrel bead blasted before and it was very dull plus it looked super cool  . Don't sand blast, make sure to bead blast.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 1:50:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Morg308]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee:
Granted, I don't know about a PRS... But as far as fixed stocks go, I'd say that there's nothing wrong with a fixed stock - near as I can tell, the "original" recce concept seems to have grown out of modified COTS M16A2 Carbines (RO72x series), many of which featured fixed stocks, with some of the earliest reported to have been RO72x uppers on MK 4 MOD 0 lowers. I would think that fixed stocks, if that were user preference, would be more than appropriate in the "spirit" and "concept" of the recce. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/akim85/navysoc2381V.jpg http://oi58.tinypic.com/28u7p5d.jpg ~Augee Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee:
Originally Posted By slowkota1:
A fixed stock, would slightly fall outside of the "Spirit" of the "RECCE" rifle "Concept". Originally was a carbine, with a 16" accurized stainless barreled, carbine length gas system, full rifle length handguard/rail system, variable powered optics, collapsible stock... Basically a "Baby" MK12 SPR, but was a concept, and in use a lil bit before SPR. Granted, I don't know about a PRS... But as far as fixed stocks go, I'd say that there's nothing wrong with a fixed stock - near as I can tell, the "original" recce concept seems to have grown out of modified COTS M16A2 Carbines (RO72x series), many of which featured fixed stocks, with some of the earliest reported to have been RO72x uppers on MK 4 MOD 0 lowers. I would think that fixed stocks, if that were user preference, would be more than appropriate in the "spirit" and "concept" of the recce. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e131/akim85/navysoc2381V.jpg http://oi58.tinypic.com/28u7p5d.jpg ~Augee Augee - I must have looked at that 2nd photo 30 times and just now realized that the guy on the right has the same setup slung behind him. This seems pretty clear that they were after a consistent DMR setup, and as guys at that level are always testing new gear it doesn't surprise me. As to the first photo, it's one of my faves. I built an 'early M4' with a grey M4 marked A2 upper (over the gas port) and a fixed A1stock, and it was the single most ergonomic carbine I've handled. It was like the middle bowl of porridge. Just right. I want to build another, with a LMG upper and SOCOM barrel. (Have both but have other (723) plans for the barrel) Can't afford an ACOG at the moment, but it's on the list. Frankly I would like to build clones of both - can you tell me more about the laser designator? I believe you posted something awhile back. An IM to the link would be enough. BTW, the book should be out on Amazon by end of August. I am fully on schedule, if not ahead.
ETA: One question - is it me, or do the barrels in the 2nd pic look like 16" M4 barrels? It's be nice to know the profile - whether standard Colt or a medcon...but I'd go with the heavier SOCOM spec barrel if possible eh? It also looks like an A2 length stock, which makes sense. |
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Posted: 7/4/2014 3:27:12 AM EDT
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I believe the laser is some variation of the ITL AIM-1:
http://www.sibat.mod.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/DC2CB4B2-5268-48FD-9EB6-69B37E805E87/0/sod_ITL.pdf ...another model of which is frequently associated with aiming machine guns... on AH-64 Apaches.
Looking closely at the photos of that rifle, the barrel almost certainly appears to be an RO72x series barrel (based on the angle of the M203 mounting step's shoulder (ref. Ekie's Carbine guide) and is definitely 14.5". Like I said, my best guess at that upper is a "straight" RO727 conversion, which would make it a "government" profile barrel. I'd love to do a clone of it - it would be relatively easy to get "the look," though period correct parts would require a lot of searching and scouring. The 1990s to early-2000s SOF carbine variations are some of the most fascinating to me, though, IMHO, it really begins with the Son Tay Raiders' GAUs (technically speaking, of course, you could reach back to early uses of the R605 and R607s as well as the R656 and MK 4 MOD 0s, but one has to draw the line somewhere ) of several convergent strains of mission specific modifications and experimentation to a pre-modular M16 carbine system that culminates in the SOPMOD program and explodes into the "modular weapon system" that we now see the M16 FOW as. Things like the KAC MRE and the "Recce" represent to me evolutionary offshoots of that progression that while, in some ways, ended up being "dead ends" still greatly influenced later developments.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 8:09:35 AM EDT
[#46]
Someone asked me to post these here.
I took these pics earlier this week at the British Army's shooting championships at Bisley, England. These are pics of the USAMU Combat shooting team and their carbines. All rifles had variations of the Leupold Mk6 scope, either the 3-18 or 1-6 
I believe this is a Mk12 Mod0 
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Posted: 7/4/2014 9:19:59 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bradders:
Someone asked me to post these here. I took these pics earlier this week at the British Army's shooting championships at Bisley, England. These are pics of the USAMU Combat shooting team and their carbines. All rifles had variations of the Leupold Mk6 scope, either the 3-18 or 1-6 <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/IMG_5787_zps76aa0c00.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/IMG_5787_zps76aa0c00.jpg</a> <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/IMG_5788_zpsaa512567.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/IMG_5788_zpsaa512567.jpg</a> <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/IMG_5790_zps7b8ae20e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/IMG_5790_zps7b8ae20e.jpg</a> <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/IMG_5791_zps6d9b1ebf.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/IMG_5791_zps6d9b1ebf.jpg</a> <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/IMG_5792_zps8d2792b9.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/IMG_5792_zps8d2792b9.jpg</a> <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/IMG_5809_zps8fda58e4.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/IMG_5809_zps8fda58e4.jpg</a> <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/IMG_5810_zps5b67f15f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/IMG_5810_zps5b67f15f.jpg</a> I believe this is a Mk12 Mod0 <a href="http://s818.photobucket.com/user/Mbradders/media/IMG_5814_zps67046729.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz105/Mbradders/IMG_5814_zps67046729.jpg</a> Mod 1... Knight's rail. |
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Posted: 7/4/2014 9:45:38 AM EDT
[#48]
Lots of Daniel defense m4 12.0 there
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Posted: 7/4/2014 11:51:55 AM EDT
[#49]
I wonder what barrels are under there. Look 14.5".
Almost certainly rebuilt USAMU SDM-Rs, which, if they've cannibalized and rebuilt them, pretty much means the end of that program as well, since I think a few units in 3rd ID were the only line units that ever had them. Nice rifles, though, got to handle (but not shoot) one back in '05-'06-ish. The USAMU guys have some pretty interesting rifles - lots of non-standard parts. ~Augee |
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Posted: 7/4/2014 2:35:22 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Augee:
I wonder what barrels are under there. Look 14.5". Almost certainly rebuilt USAMU SDM-Rs, which, if they've cannibalized and rebuilt them, pretty much means the end of that program as well, since I think a few units in 3rd ID were the only line units that ever had them. Nice rifles, though, got to handle (but not shoot) one back in '05-'06-ish. The USAMU guys have some pretty interesting rifles - lots of non-standard parts. ~Augee Those dd m4 12.0 look like they were FSP'd by the USAMU as well... , and a YHM FSB installed?
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