Posted: 11/13/2012 7:15:14 AM EDT
| Anybody on here ever gone to a class? Iam pretty much set on going to the fighting pistol class and then the fighting rifle one at a later date. Been wanting to do some classes and there only a 4hr drive away from me. |
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I have been to the "Big Name" schools (Sig Arms/Blackwater/EAG) and also have been to Tactical Response.
James Yeager can be a dick, is controversial (and a lot of folks hate him), but, he is passionate about what he is teaching. You will not be wasting your money taking Fighting Pistol or Fighting Rifle. Train there with confidence. |
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I havent been. Don't get too twisted up about what people say about him. Don't get me wrong I think he is an arrogant douche bag ass hole, but I think his training is quality. What are you measuring his classes "quality" against? What is your point of reference? With so much quality training available, I've never figured out why anyone would choose to do business with him. |
| Thanks for the replys guys. I don't really care if someone is a cocky dbag iam not going to become his friend iam wanting to go to get some training. I don't see anyone saying to go to the army cause the drill sergeants that train you are assholes... Iam just looking to go to a place where I can get some quality training and stay in my area. Paying over 1k going to a class is not iam option for me. |
| There are MUCH better options out there for you and within your price range. TR is not highly regarded by those who actually carry a weapon for a living, rather he is laughed at. There is a reason DoS shows his Iraq video 2 seperate times in their DS agent course as "What NOT to do." |
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There are MUCH better options out there for you and within your price range. TR is not highly regarded by those who actually carry a weapon for a living, rather he is laughed at. There is a reason DoS shows his Iraq video 2 seperate times in their DS agent course as "What NOT to do." I would not use anything DoS or DSS does as an example of anything. |
| I don't know, i have spoken to a lot of people personally that have learned a lot from his Fighting Pistol class. If you can get past his language, the quality of the class is good, is the review that I most commonly hear. Just out of curiousity, are there any posters above who have attended a TR class who are also giving it a bad review? |
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There are MUCH better options out there for you and within your price range. TR is not highly regarded by those who actually carry a weapon for a living, rather he is laughed at. There is a reason DoS shows his Iraq video 2 seperate times in their DS agent course as "What NOT to do." I would not use anything DoS or DSS does as an example of anything. At least they (DoS) teach you when to pull the e-brake and don't teach you to cower in a ditch and watch your team die... Seen his forums and clientelle. Nothing but weekend wantabees there and not a single professional. It's bad when the NRA has to pay a top shooter to go there for a promotion. Bunches of National Guard rejects who get a hard on doing mag dumps and popping smoke are not the best spokesmen for his "training." Just because he got kicked out of Iraq doesn't mean that he knows what he is doing. |
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I don't know, i have spoken to a lot of people personally that have learned a lot from his Fighting Pistol class. If you can get past his language, the quality of the class is good, is the review that I most commonly hear. Just out of curiousity, are there any posters above who have attended a TR class who are also giving it a bad review? I have been to two of his classes and had no issues. As I have previously posted, I have been to other schools/instructors (nationally recognized ones, at that) so I have a base of reference to compare Tactical Response against. Yes, I have seen the Operation Apollo video (in its entirety), and it had no bearing on my opinion of the instruction I received. I am not going to hold anything against those that choose not to train with Tactical Response (or any school/instructor, for that matter), but, I also don't bad-mouth schools/instructors that I have not trained with. |
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I don't know, i have spoken to a lot of people personally that have learned a lot from his Fighting Pistol class. If you can get past his language, the quality of the class is good, is the review that I most commonly hear. Just out of curiousity, are there any posters above who have attended a TR class who are also giving it a bad review? I have been to two of his classes and had no issues. As I have previously posted, I have been to other schools/instructors (nationally recognized ones, at that) so I have a base of reference to compare Tactical Response against. Yes, I have seen the Operation Apollo video (in its entirety), and it had no bearing on my opinion of the instruction I received. I am not going to hold anything against those that choose not to train with Tactical Response (or any school/instructor, for that matter), but, I also don't bad-mouth schools/instructors that I have not trained with. I refuse to go to any of his classes as he has NOTHING to offer me. I've been in his position in Iraq & Afg. many times since '02 and had different outcomes because I didn't hide in a ditch. He may be fine for a begining shooter who doesn't know the difference between the grip and the muzzle but as far as me or anyone on the teams here, he is a joke and an insult to instructors. I'll save any further comments about that waste of oxygen as I'm sure my thoughts about him are obvious enough. Anything regarding TR gets locked on this site at the mention of Apollo. OP: do some more research and look elsewhere. That is my suggestion... |
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Quoted:I'll save any further comments about that waste of oxygen as I'm sure my thoughts about him are obvious enough. Anything regarding TR gets locked on this site at the mention of Apollo.
Yea ..... because we can do without the drama. As a topic of discussion it's nothing more than an "ambulance chasers" dream. OP: do some more research and look elsewhere. That is my suggestion...
Mine as well. If anyone wants to discuss operation apollo on this site, take it to GD ........... where it belongs. |
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Some of the best combat veterans in the world made mistakes in combat that led to people getting killed. Mistakes made in combat lead to future trainers teaching their students what to do and, more importantly, what NOT to do.
Human beings make mistakes. You would be amazed at some of the fuckups that very well known instructors made in combat. Those very mistakes led them to be better trainers. I've seen the video in question and one thing that combat has taught me is that if I wasn't there, I won't call anyone a coward because I wasn't there, experiencing what they were experiencing, and making the split second decisions that they had to make in combat. And then, if it gets filmed the internet heros get to critique everything that was done from the safety (and anonymity) of their computers. I have not been to Yeager's training and frankly, he's a little too outspoken for my tastes. However, I have a personal friend who has trained at TR and have another personal friend who used to work with TR as an instructor. They speak well of him. |
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Yeager has some good instructors under him. His personal bio, notwithstanding his Edinburough fuck-up has always seemed thin....6 years LE work for small agencies, couple of years as a reserve LEO. He seems to be one of those guys with more schools and training than actual experience.
Having said all of that, I have been to a couple of courses, including The Fight. If you can get beyond his braggadocio and key in on his adjunct instructors, you will be good to go. Just try not to be the guy standing between targets running the camera during live fire drills. |
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Shit happens in a fire fight, I don't blame him for that But I think what most people do blame him for it not toning down his bluster I think most blame his AAR and actions after the event, far more than the incident itself. If you take the time to read the actual AAR (its out there if you look) it is, umm, lets just say interesting. |
| I've heard the training is decent. I was pretty interested in his fighting pistol class but I passed. He reminds me of a high school kid who thinks hes hot shit because he lost his virginity. I don't think the issue is his incident in Iraq. It's more like, I don't get my ass beat in a fist fight and then go brag about it. |
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To the OP, I've attended one of his class that was taught locally. It was alright, don't know if I'd go again since there are normally other options available in my area.
The thing that stuck with me most wasn't acutually taught on the range, but when they talk about not only being physically and mentally reading for a fight, but being financially and legally ready for the aftermath. If you want to know more, I'd be happy to share. |
| OP I have taken Fighting Pistol, advanced Fighting Piston, and Fighting Rifle with Tactical Response. What I suggest his go to his forum and read the reviews and read the FAQ. If you understand what he is selling and it fits your needs then you will get a lot out of their classes. Yeager's not one of my favorite people as our personalities clash but his other trainers that I have had are solid and real good guys. Fighting Rifle was a decent class that had some good things about it but not on the level of their pistol class. I think their pistol classes are outstanding if you understand going in that they are about fighting better and not just shooting better. I have taken pistol class with several instructors including Vickers and Hackathorn. I think TR's pistol classes are every bit as good but in a different way. |
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I've taken a couple of classes with Tactical Response, I think it was very worthwhile.
Yeager wasn't more than briefly an instructor in either of those, so I can't really comment on that too much. I will say that all the instructors I dealt with were competent and patient. Paul Gomez was the lead instructor when I took fighting pistol, he was definitely a good one. RIP |
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Chris has never trained with yeager Yeager was a student in a class Costa did in NC a few months ago. correct on that but as of late chris has not trained with yeager nor any other professional who wasn't being paid and sponsored to be there... |