Posted: 1/9/2015 9:46:06 AM EDT
| I was wondering if someone could point out to me why some schools (Tactical Response comes to mind first) teach operating the slide of the handgun on reloads, no matter if the situation is emergency, tactical or administrative? I'm not saying that they are wrong or right, just curious as to the reasoning behind it. |
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I guess the one that really confuses me is running the slide after a tactical reload. If you run the gun dry, power stroke or slide release make sense. If you have to clear a malfunction that requires the magazine to be stripped of course the the slide will be manipulated to chamber a round after inserting a fresh magazine. However, lets say you engage a target and fire the number of rounds it takes to do the job. Then you scan and asses the area. After it checks out you decide to top of the gun, so you bring a fresh mag to the gun, swap mags, retain the old one. Some instructors/schools would have you cycle the slide at that point, and that is what I am confused about. Same guys operate the rifles in the same way.
The only thing that I can think of, is that the above mentioned method would work with pistols that do not have designs that hold the action open after the last round is fired, and would eliminate the possibility that you could perform a reload and leave the chamber empty (makes sense in the AK manual of arms in rifles). Someone please enlighten me. |
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Some reasons I have come across:
Works with all pistols regardless of where the slide release is located (not strictly true, just mostly) Instead of learning two separate manipulations you train with one all the time More positive ie you aren't likely to miss grabbing the slide but you might the slide release under stress It is slower in my experience to rack the slide than to use the slide release, plus you add in the time to transition your support hand down for a two handed grip. Manipulating the slide release with your support hand you are already in a two handed grip, and either in or close to thumbs forward. I prefer to use the slide release but I see the merits to both. |
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Thank you. Now that I have an explanation, am I wrong in that it seems completely unnecessary? Quoted:
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TR's purpose for racking the slide after manipulations, unless something has changed, is to insure that you have a round chambered. Thank you. Now that I have an explanation, am I wrong in that it seems completely unnecessary? They are one of the only companies I know of teaching that |
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Thank you. Now that I have an explanation, am I wrong in that it seems completely unnecessary? Depends on who you're asking. 95% of trainers, and shooters who spend a decent amount of time throwing lead down range will tell you that is the dumbest thing they've ever heard. I am one of them. If you're doing a tactical reload, your weapon should already have a round chambered and ready to rock. Why the hell you would rack the gun, lose a round, and risk having a malfunction is WAY the hell beyond me. |
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Depends on who you're asking. 95% of trainers, and shooters who spend a decent amount of time throwing lead down range will tell you that is the dumbest thing they've ever heard. I am one of them. If you're doing a tactical reload, your weapon should already have a round chambered and ready to rock. Why the hell you would rack the gun, lose a round, and risk having a malfunction is WAY the hell beyond me. Quoted:
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Thank you. Now that I have an explanation, am I wrong in that it seems completely unnecessary? Depends on who you're asking. 95% of trainers, and shooters who spend a decent amount of time throwing lead down range will tell you that is the dumbest thing they've ever heard. I am one of them. If you're doing a tactical reload, your weapon should already have a round chambered and ready to rock. Why the hell you would rack the gun, lose a round, and risk having a malfunction is WAY the hell beyond me. Yes I agree this is unnecessary Tacticool operator ninja shit to look cool. Isnt this that james yeager douche nozzle? Unfortunately he's lost me because I use a outdated unreliable 1911 that sucks and will fail so I guess I could never take 1 of his classes 
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Thank you. Now that I have an explanation, am I wrong in that it seems completely unnecessary? Quoted:
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TR's purpose for racking the slide after manipulations, unless something has changed, is to insure that you have a round chambered. Thank you. Now that I have an explanation, am I wrong in that it seems completely unnecessary? No, sounds stupid to me. |
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Yeah, agreed very bad idea on a tac-reload. As an LEO trainer I would never teach my officers to do that. It is completely pointless, wastes a round you may need, and could potentially create a malfunction. Now for anything other than a tac-reload, we always tech rack the slide. Most guns don't lock completely back and using slide lock lever (the correct name for it) doesn't utilize full power of spring to chamber a round and racking the slide will. Plus using slide lock lever is a fine motor skill which greatly dimishes during an adrenaline dump; i.e. in a gunfight.
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Yeah, agreed very bad idea on a tac-reload. As an LEO trainer I would never teach my officers to do that. It is completely pointless, wastes a round you may need, and could potentially create a malfunction. Now for anything other than a tac-reload, we always tech rack the slide. Most guns don't lock completely back and using slide lock lever (the correct name for it) doesn't utilize full power of spring to chamber a round and racking the slide will. Plus using slide lock lever is a fine motor skill which greatly dimishes during an adrenaline dump; i.e. in a gunfight. I'll add to that the exception of "unless you practice it a lot". It is faster to get the gun going again in competition, so I'll practice it. I've not had a problem doing it since then, and anytime I would have to reload from the slide locked back in my matches means I probably screwed up somewhere. The run of the mill LEOs... sling shot training. |
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