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Posted: 11/23/2018 8:12:24 PM EDT
Bill's sponsor--Sen. Kevin Parker 
Co-Sponsor, Brooklyn Borough President, Eric Adams A bill introduced in the New York State Assembly would require residents to hand over social media passwords and internet search history before being granted permission to purchase a firearm. Surely--this is a late April Fool's joke, no? 
What the hell is in the water that they drink in Albany? |
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Posted: 11/23/2018 10:10:00 PM EDT
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You're late
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Posted: 11/24/2018 2:15:20 PM EDT
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they haven't got the resources to get their ammo database online, yet. this would be far more resource intensive.
totally unworkable. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 3:46:10 PM EDT
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they haven't got the resources to get their ammo database online, yet. this would be far more resource intensive. totally unworkable. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 4:24:02 PM EDT
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Would this site be included in social media? This is the only “social media” type thing I post on anymore
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Posted: 11/24/2018 5:32:30 PM EDT
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The work burden for this would not fall on the state, but on the agency doing the permit application. Local law enforcement. Another unfunded mandate from Albany |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 5:38:05 PM EDT
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Would this site be included in social media? This is the only “social media” type thing I post on anymore They would have to work with your ISP to track exactly where you go on the internet in order to get a complete list. Again a daunting task for every renewal or purchase. who knows if that would require them to get a warrant, further complicating this. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 8:14:53 PM EDT
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No social media accounts & my history consists of here, porn hub & menus from local restaurants... Meh, let em look
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Posted: 11/24/2018 10:49:01 PM EDT
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Choke on my cock
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Posted: 11/25/2018 8:54:14 AM EDT
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This story was again news this morning on WCBS 880. I guess it is a slow news day plus Parker's district is in the city so it makes news. I certainly think this has legs and will either find its way into SAFE II in January or will be passed standalone rather quickly (who is going stop it? The Senate LOL). Then the gun rights groups will spend a mint trying to get it ruled unconstitutional but I am sure "Scratchy", if it goes before him, will uphold it as will the 2nd Circus. New York is going to one-up California on gun control. Even if it kills us...
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Posted: 11/25/2018 9:10:59 AM EDT
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FaceWhat?
TwitWhat? GoogWhat+? I have none of the social media accounts they will probably try to target. I should create a MySpace account and provide that, but put nothing but Pro Cumhole shit on it (It might get me a NYC CC right?) Realistically, it will probably fail due to the Constitution that Cumhole hates so much! What if gun runners start requiring a basic background check to purchase an illegal firearm? BUYER: Sir, I would like to purchase that .25 you have for $75.00. SELLER: You will love that one, it has been used, but not in this state. Please fill out this "NICS form 4473.5 Illegla Firearm Sales Request". Bill |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 9:32:29 AM EDT
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History > Clear Recent History > Time Range to Clear: Everything (also, all boxes checked)
So, now, what am I supposed to turn over? Might just go here before submitting. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 12:05:52 PM EDT
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History > Clear Recent History > Time Range to Clear: Everything (also, all boxes checked) So, now, what am I supposed to turn over? Might just go here before submitting. https://myactivity.google.com/delete-activity Bill |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 1:12:04 PM EDT
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I'm already against this of course. I see it as using the first amendment to restrict the second. some liberal doesn't like that you're a conservative online? Bam no guns for you right?
but also - passwords? So they can just steal your accounts? So how is this different from the issues a few years ago when businesses were demanding FB passwords before they hired you? Not only does it violate your privacy - it also violates the privacy of anyone you talk to. Not to mention that NY already has pending laws regarding the privacy of social media accounts. So... they want a law to violate other laws? |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 1:57:39 PM EDT
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The Washington Times take on this.
By - Associated Press - Sunday, November 25, 2018 NEW YORK — A state lawmaker is proposing a change to New York’s gun laws to allow authorities to search social media for potential red flags before approving a handgun license. State Senator Kevin Parker’s bill would mandate that applicants provide investigators with their Facebook, Snapchat, Twitter and Instagram passwords and access to their Google, Yahoo and Bing searches. The Brooklyn Democrat wants investigators to look at the last three years of an applicant’s social media postings and a year of their search histories for “any good cause for the denial of a license,” such as racial slurs, threats of violence and terrorism-related posts. The bill, submitted on Nov. 14, appeared to come in response to recent mass shootings whose suspects had posted threats or ranted about potential targets. No vote is scheduled. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 2:07:52 PM EDT
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Choke on my cock |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 2:29:39 PM EDT
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The Washington Times take on this. By - Associated Press - Sunday, November 25, 2018 NEW YORK — A state lawmaker is proposing a change to New York’s gun laws to allow authorities to search social media for potential red flags before approving a handgun license. State Senator Kevin Parker’s bill would mandate that applicants provide investigators with their Facebook, Snapchat, Twitter and Instagram passwords and access to their Google, Yahoo and Bing searches. The Brooklyn Democrat wants investigators to look at the last three years of an applicant’s social media postings and a year of their search histories for “any good cause for the denial of a license,” such as racial slurs, threats of violence and terrorism-related posts. The bill, submitted on Nov. 14, appeared to come in response to recent mass shootings whose suspects had posted threats or ranted about potential targets. No vote is scheduled. I hope some one sues and they are personally held accountable on a civil level and have to pay out of the ass for such bs... But they will not.. The courts will just waiver to the communist left.. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 3:43:35 PM EDT
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Realistically, it will probably fail due to the Constitution that Cumhole hates so much! Since when has a gun measure failed in New York on ANY constitutional measure. If it is about gun control, the courts will uphold trampling any and all civil rights including those enumerated in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th. By asking the state's permission to own a firearm, you have waived your rights including HIPAA protections. After the 2nd Circus upheld SAFE as constitutional, despite Heller and MacDonald, and even reinstated the "muzzle break" ban, it became apparent the constitution was no longer in effect in New York in relation to firearms. Plus as another thread notes, police in Erie Country are still arresting people violating the 7-round rule. So even if there is an unfavorable court ruling, New York will disregard it and do what it wants. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 6:11:13 PM EDT
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LOL Since when has a gun measure failed in New York on ANY constitutional measure. If it is about gun control, the courts will uphold trampling any and all civil rights including those enumerated in the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th. By asking the state's permission to own a firearm, you have waived your rights including HIPAA protections. After the 2nd Circus upheld SAFE as constitutional, despite Heller and MacDonald, and even reinstated the "muzzle break" ban, it became apparent the constitution was no longer in effect in New York in relation to firearms. Plus as another thread notes, police in Erie Country are still arresting people violating the 7-round rule. So even if there is an unfavorable court ruling, New York will disregard it and do what it wants. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 6:20:35 PM EDT
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How about fuck New York
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Posted: 11/26/2018 9:19:56 AM EDT
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you may be right, but all the upheld safe restrictions dealt solely with gun related items. this crosses over into other areas. it might be upheld in NY, but the NY courts are not the final word. |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 9:54:05 AM EDT
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Dem wanting social media scrutiny for gun-license applicants has violent, tax-delinquent past: reports
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-proposal-mandates-gun-license-applicants-give-authorities-social-media-passwords-search-history A real jewel of the democrap party... But the bill's sponsor, state Sen. Kevin Parker, has a history of his own legal skirmishes. Parker was convicted in 2010 of roughing up a New York Post photographer -- and allegedly did the same to a traffic agent in 2005, but avoided punishment by agreeing to undergo anger management training. In addition, government records cited by the Post in 2017 indicated Parker owed more than $50,000 in property taxes and water bills. |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 12:55:00 PM EDT
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The New York Legislature's session begins in January, but no vote on Parker's bill has been scheduled. |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 2:15:52 PM EDT
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Its the communist way of doing it..
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Posted: 11/26/2018 2:37:27 PM EDT
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True. The New York courts are not the final word, SCOTUS is. But it is not just the New York courts that will agree but the federal 2nd Quote HistoryQuoted:
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you may be right, but all the upheld safe restrictions dealt solely with gun related items. this crosses over into other areas. it might be upheld in NY, but the NY courts are not the final word. |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 4:17:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if this is enough of a 1st amendment concern to *shudder* get the ACLU on our side. They did join with the NRA against Il Duece for targeting insurance companies (for the 1st amendment aspect, not the 2nd, to be clear)... |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 4:43:56 PM EDT
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I want the LN/PW for everyone in NY government, too.
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Posted: 11/26/2018 6:42:22 PM EDT
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This is going no-where... Andy ain’t gonna be upstaged by nobody!
Firearms legislation is Cuomo's domain, period. If more pressure is going to come to bear, it will be added to the Safe Act, not by these dweebs. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 6:10:40 AM EDT
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You know though.... I’m thinking it’ll get shut down when they realize the liberals end up being the ones with “disqualifying” online posts.
Either that or they’ll do what Twitter and Facebook does and give parsons to liberals who make death threats, but hammer others who do far far less |
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Posted: 12/4/2018 6:52:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Andy would love too.. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 12:37:55 AM EDT
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Facebook, twitter, Instagram, google, bing and all the others are not going to spend millions of man hours researching and turning over internet histories and archived data to ANYONE without a warrant or fair compensation for doing so.
Show me where a judge is going to find the legal justification to sign a search warrant for a non-criminal action? OR You think NYSP, NYPD, NCPD, SCPD or some Podunk county clerks office is going to pay tens of thousands of dollars for Comcast, Optimum, Time warner, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile (or all of them) to pull all the IP addresses you have used on your phone, home, ipad, laptop aircard etc and then pay google/bing/yahoo etc for the man hours it takes to pull the last year worth of internet searches from a couple dozen dynamic IP address for one pistol license application? And that's IF you actually signed a waiver and granted permission for them to release said information? And what about using a work computer? Do you think any business is just going to open up their servers and allow the local PD to go cruising around, and then get them to sign another release for their IP address providers to see what the person has been doing while at work? Never gonna happen. Even if it gets signed by the idiot in charge in Albany, no PD or county clerk will have the resources to do the research. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 8:39:01 AM EDT
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Facebook, twitter, Instagram, google, bing and all the others are not going to spend millions of man hours researching and turning over internet histories and archived data to ANYONE without a warrant or fair compensation for doing so. Show me where a judge is going to find the legal justification to sign a search warrant for a non-criminal action? OR You think NYSP, NYPD, NCPD, SCPD or some Podunk county clerks office is going to pay tens of thousands of dollars for Comcast, Optimum, Time warner, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile (or all of them) to pull all the IP addresses you have used on your phone, home, ipad, laptop aircard etc and then pay google/bing/yahoo etc for the man hours it takes to pull the last year worth of internet searches from a couple dozen dynamic IP address for one pistol license application? And that's IF you actually signed a waiver and granted permission for them to release said information? And what about using a work computer? Do you think any business is just going to open up their servers and allow the local PD to go cruising around, and then get them to sign another release for their IP address providers to see what the person has been doing while at work? Never gonna happen. Even if it gets signed by the idiot in charge in Albany, no PD or county clerk will have the resources to do the research. Check it out sometime. Bill |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 12:44:05 PM EDT
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Andrew Hollister wants to turn this around and get the liberals to turn against this. Take the angle that if this passes, then eventually Trump could use this to get to their social media accounts down the roads.
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Posted: 12/5/2018 1:34:02 PM EDT
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None of this will need to happen if someone hands over their password! Your history is viewable with a few clicks when you are logged in. Check it out sometime. Bill After all, what do you have to hide, It's a "common sense law" that only radicals who are unfit for owning guns would object to. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 4:10:04 PM EDT
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You think NYSP, NYPD, NCPD, SCPD or some Podunk county clerks office is going to pay tens of thousands of dollars for Comcast, Optimum, Time warner, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile (or all of them) to pull all the IP addresses you have used on your phone, home, ipad, laptop aircard etc and then pay google/bing/yahoo etc for the man hours it takes to pull the last year worth of internet searches from a couple dozen dynamic IP address for one pistol license application? And that's IF you actually signed a waiver and granted permission for them to release said information? |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 8:32:17 PM EDT
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Please. NCPD already charges $200 for a permit every five years. They'll request approval from the legislature to make it $500 or more to cover those expenses. Sourcing fees from people they do not want having licenses in the first place is a no-brainer vote for the Democrat's. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 3:11:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of this will need to happen if someone hands over their password! Your history is viewable with a few clicks when you are logged in. Check it out sometime. Bill Now what? Deny someone on the basis of them NOT having a social media account? I think even the ACLU would take that case... Eta: And search history, I don't log in to a search provider, I dont have a Gmail account and use google all the time. My browser history deletes when I log out of my computer. My cookies delete in my phone whenever I do a soft reset. So now I have to turn over my hard drive for forensic examination? You have no idea what that costs, and will only provide a small search history as the info is written over pretty quickly... and forget it if you use an SSD hard drive in your computer. In order to examine my search history, it means pulling IP addresses and then getting archived history from the search providers. Even with my written consent it would be dozens of man hours that the companies would demand to be paid for. I've done this with a Federal search warrant, its a long and expensive process. Not something an extra $300 to the NCPD is going to cover... The social media accounts is one thing that would just take time, extra man power, and then you need some kind of a review board to make a determination. No cop or county clerk is going to open themselves up to a lawsuit because they made the decision and signed their name to a denial because your media post was offensive and they now violated your first ammendment right. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 3:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "I deleted that account months ago.." and "any pictures online of me are from friends pages I have no control over..." Now what? Deny someone on the basis of them NOT having a social media account? I think even the ACLU would take that case... Eta: And search history, I don't log in to a search provider, I dont have a Gmail account and use google all the time. My browser history deletes when I log out of my computer. My cookies delete in my phone whenever I do a soft reset. So now I have to turn over my hard drive for forensic examination? You have no idea what that costs, and will only provide a small search history as the info is written over pretty quickly... and forget it if you use an SSD hard drive in your computer. In order to examine my search history, it means pulling IP addresses and then getting archived history from the search providers. Even with my written consent it would be dozens of man hours that the companies would demand to be paid for. I've done this with a Federal search warrant, its a long and expensive process. Not something an extra $300 to the NCPD is going to cover... The social media accounts is one thing that would just take time, extra man power, and then you need some kind of a review board to make a determination. No cop or county clerk is going to open themselves up to a lawsuit because they made the decision and signed their name to a denial because your media post was offensive and they now violated your first ammendment right.
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