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Posted: 11/19/2017 2:49:04 PM EDT

Please, no blather or chest thumping; this is serious with serious consequences.
If you do not recertify, then by Law the Lifetime Licenses is revoked.
There's damn little guidance...
The Counties (that are already short staffed) will be compelled by the State to do the dirty work.
If I don't recertify, ALL my handguns WILL BE relocated to a Free State.
When the Cops show up, will it be "I sold them out of State to a FFL" (where they'll ask for Proof, and maybe you forgot where they went)
They're all in our Winter house in Florida.
I no longer have them, here's the licenses, have a nice day.
Are they going to request warrants to search for guns?
Try and confiscate other than handguns?
Its going to be a cluster-fuck of epic proportions, one that will take years to sort through, and lots of Court time, suits, violations of Civil Rights, et.al.

Posted: 11/19/2017 3:02:59 PM EDT

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I'm going to wait to close to the last possible minute and submit via snail mail.

Posted: 11/19/2017 3:06:26 PM EDT

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That seems to be the consensus, and I expect about as many to recertify as registered their assault weapons.

Posted: 11/19/2017 3:18:23 PM EDT

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Given the number of people who still have no idea of the effects of the SAFE act ban on their weapon options, I worry about the people who legitimately miss the deadline and lose their firearms as a result.
I just had a non-LEO just last week asking me what models of Bushmaster they could buy, and I was like, as far as I know, Bushmaster makes no NY SAFE act compliant models yet.
Two or three years into SAFE and we still have gun owners who don't comprehend just how badly Cuomo stabbed us in the back.

Posted: 11/19/2017 3:39:19 PM EDT

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Whatever it is, I hope NY gun owners make it as painful, onerous and costly as possible on NYS.....

Registered, signature required to increase man hours as much as possible would be good...

Posted: 11/19/2017 6:01:58 PM EDT

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Given the number of people who still have no idea of the effects of the SAFE act ban on their weapon options, I worry about the people who legitimately miss the deadline and lose their firearms as a result.
I just had a non-LEO just last week asking me what models of Bushmaster they could buy, and I was like, as far as I know, Bushmaster makes no NY SAFE act compliant models yet.
Two or three years into SAFE and we still have gun owners who don't comprehend just how badly Cuomo stabbed us in the ~~back~~.

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In the heart. He looked us in the eye while he did it too, not giving a damn. FUAC FNYS

Posted: 11/19/2017 8:24:17 PM EDT

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Registerd mail, signature required, end of December. Why anyone would do this online after FUAC shoved this bs law down our throats in the middle of the night is beyond me.

Posted: 11/19/2017 10:46:17 PM EDT

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I just wonder IF the "recertification" done by the NYSP will result in a new licenses (of sorts) complete with a list of firearms you "currently possess" and if so, is this your new default Licenses? Will this be the States way of taking over the system piecemeal?
Could this be amnesty without saying so? (not that I or anyone else would break the Law, but life happens with legally challenging situations)

Posted: 11/20/2017 11:00:52 AM EDT

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This....except more like late January. The letter I got says the deadline to submit is January 31st (my permit was issued prior to 1/15/13). So I will make sure I get a receipt proving it was mailed out that day and I will send it certified mail and make somebody sign for it.

Posted: 11/20/2017 11:04:58 AM EDT

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I just wonder IF the "recertification" done by the NYSP will result in a new licenses (of sorts) complete with a list of firearms you "currently possess" and if so, is this your new default Licenses? Will this be the States way of taking over the system piecemeal?
Could this be amnesty without saying so? (not that I or anyone else would break the Law, but life happens with legally challenging situations)

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Didn't they say they were going to issue a "recert card" that had to be carried when you carry? Supposedly they were going to reconcile the state record with county ones to make sure people add everything and don't use it as an amnesty.

Posted: 11/20/2017 11:44:02 AM EDT

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Yep. USPS priority (thus has tracking) with signature required, sent at last minute.

Posted: 11/20/2017 12:24:59 PM EDT

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On the advice of a well known attorney I did register. Wasn't happy doing it. Major step backwards for us all.
Don't want to hyjack this thread so Please check out my thread on future long gun registration.

Posted: 11/20/2017 12:41:11 PM EDT

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Are you talking about the registration of "assault weapons" or the pistol permit recert?

ETA: Nevermind. . .I see that Westchester residents have different procedures for renewing/recertifying our permits than upstate. .

Posted: 11/23/2017 6:05:26 PM EDT

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I complied.

Sure you can send shit in late or not at all. But in the end, until the law changes it's complie or lose rights.

I also registered my “AW's”, and those that I know that didn't have insta felony safe queens unfortunately. We got fucked, and need to find a way to change that. I am not losing my freedom to live as a free, non-felon, over kicking and screaming.

Posted: 11/24/2017 10:07:51 PM EDT

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uh... what recert? my pistol permit has no recert date on it? I just redid my brady check, or whatever the fuck it its called back in 14...

Posted: 11/25/2017 6:46:26 AM EDT

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uh... what recert? my pistol permit has no recert date on it? I just redid my brady check, or whatever the fuck it its called back in 14...

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You're in NYS?
Brady check?
You mean that little slip of paper that was supposed to exempt you from a background check if you had a NY permit?
Those things have been worthless for years now.
There were counties still doing them for years after our permits stopped being an exemption to a NICS check.
Read up on the SAFE act if you don't understand that NY permits will now lapse every 5 years if you don't recertify.

Posted: 11/25/2017 7:02:25 PM EDT

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I wonder how it'll work if one "recertifies" but doesn't list "everything"?
So far I registered on line, but didn't list any handguns.

Posted: 11/26/2017 5:40:59 PM EDT

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No worries here. I left NY and took my guns with me. It wasn't easy, because I've spent decades in NY and developed a lot of very strong ties there, but I didn't want to live with this and all the other consequences of the SAFE Act. It was that big a deal for me. (I do still donate to NYSRPA, though.)

Indiana is a shall-issue state. My lifetime license arrived in my mailbox a week and a half after I submitted the application. I now own multiple suppressors and an AR pistol. Recently I saw a classified ad for a handgun I wanted, met the guy in a bank parking lot, and bought it on the spot. All mind-blowing for a guy who's spent years under NY's iron thumb.

NY is such a beautiful place. Too bad the politicians had to mess it up so badly. Best of luck.

Posted: 11/27/2017 4:53:06 PM EDT

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I did it months ago online. I didn't see the point is trying to be the white knight and wait till the last second, or make some low level functionary physically sign for anything. Besides, all signature required, registered return receipt etc does is prove you mailed SOMETHING, doesn't prove what it was.

As someone else said, until we get more of legislative backing, only thing all this "I'm waiting till the last second" or "FUAC, I ain't doin it" is good for is making you feel better, imho.

Posted: 11/27/2017 5:33:00 PM EDT

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I wonder how it'll work if one "recertifies" but doesn't list "everything"?
So far I registered on line, but didn't list any handguns.

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This is a great question...

Posted: 11/27/2017 5:36:10 PM EDT

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Not NYSP or any sort of authority on the subject, but I would assume not listing all handguns listed on your permit would carry the same repercussions as not recertifying. Just less chance of getting caught since they'd have to physically pull records at the specific county to compare, other than just noting that John Q. Public has a XXX county issued pistol permit and did or did not recertify.

Posted: 11/29/2017 11:39:48 AM EDT

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Recertified online ahead of deadline. Fight it at the polls, or when I leave NY.

One interesting piece from the online recertification - you must select your License Type from three options - Carry Concealed, Premise, and employment.

Posted: 11/29/2017 11:42:08 AM EDT

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One interesting piece from the online recertification - you must select your License Type from three options - Carry Concealed, Premise, and employment.

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Because those are the three recognized types of permits.
The overstamps for hunting and target practice are administrative restrictions by the issuing judge

Posted: 12/15/2017 9:11:00 AM EDT

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Someone told me they were going to mail an envelope every day in January to the New York State Police, Pistol Permit Bureau, Building 22, 1220 Washington Avenue, Albany, New York 12226-2252. This envelope would contain a simple letter expressing their opinion of the Governor's job performance in general and the SAFE Act in particular. Won't they already be receiving a high volume of mail during that time with about 75% recertifying during January?

Posted: 12/15/2017 9:15:21 AM EDT

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Someone told me they were going to mail an envelope every day in January to the New York State Police, Pistol Permit Bureau, Building 22, 1220 Washington Avenue, Albany, New York 12226-2252. This envelope would contain a simple letter expressing their opinion of the Governor's job performance in general and the SAFE Act in particular. Won't they already be receiving a high volume of mail during that time with about 75% recertifying during January?

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Yup, and I can tell you exactly what will happen. Some bored, uncaring grade 7 OA1 (Stores and Mail) will shred every last one of those before anyone with any sort of influence ever knows they existed.

Posted: 12/15/2017 9:03:23 PM EDT

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Could someone explain the re certification. Is it only for pistols?

Posted: 12/15/2017 9:06:31 PM EDT

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Could someone explain the re certification. Is it only for pistols?

Pistol permits have to be recertified every 5 years now. Was part of the SAFE act. You have until January to complete it, or your permit could be revoked.

NYS Pistol Permit Recertification

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If your permit was issued before January 15, 2013, the deadline to submit your recertification is January 31, 2018. If your permit was issued on or after January 15, 2013, the deadline to recertify is five years after the date the permit was issued. As a permit holder, it is your responsibility to recertify your permit whether you receive a notification letter or not.

Posted: 12/16/2017 3:32:54 AM EDT

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Thanks Not a permit holder but I have friends that are. I assume they know but will remind them to be sure

Posted: 12/16/2017 3:13:59 PM EDT

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So maybe 10 years ago I put a couple virgin AR15 lowers on my pistol permit that I registered as pistols so I could someday build an AR pistol if I was so inclined. I have since then built them into rifles and I'm pretty sure I'm never going to bother with an AR pistol (if its even legal now with the safe act).

I'm curious if I should just leave those off the recertification list?

Posted: 12/16/2017 5:11:18 PM EDT

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So maybe 10 years ago I put a couple virgin AR15 lowers on my pistol permit that I registered as pistols so I could someday build an AR pistol if I was so inclined. I have since then built them into rifles and I'm pretty sure I'm never going to bother with an AR pistol (if its even legal now with the safe act).

I'm curious if I should just leave those off the recertification list?

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Your choice, but if it were me, I'd do every single serial number that's on my permit at the current time. If you happen to have guns on there that you've sold, traded etc and never updated your permit, I'd get that taken care of first before re-certifying.

Posted: 12/17/2017 8:16:40 AM EDT

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So maybe 10 years ago I put a couple virgin AR15 lowers on my pistol permit that I registered as pistols so I could someday build an AR pistol if I was so inclined. I have since then built them into rifles and I'm pretty sure I'm never going to bother with an AR pistol (if its even legal now with the safe act).

I'm curious if I should just leave those off the recertification list?

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How does that work with ATF? I thought a registered pistol lower could not be built as a rifle (have a stock for example) and a registered rifle lower could not be converted to a pistol (SBR) because of NFA.

Posted: 12/17/2017 3:04:05 PM EDT

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How does that work with ATF? I thought a registered pistol lower could not be built as a rifle (have a stock for example) and a registered rifle lower could not be converted to a pistol (SBR) because of NFA.

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So maybe 10 years ago I put a couple virgin AR15 lowers on my pistol permit that I registered as pistols so I could someday build an AR pistol if I was so inclined. I have since then built them into rifles and I'm pretty sure I'm never going to bother with an AR pistol (if its even legal now with the safe act).

I'm curious if I should just leave those off the recertification list?

How does that work with ATF? I thought a registered pistol lower could not be built as a rifle (have a stock for example) and a registered rifle lower could not be converted to a pistol (SBR) because of NFA.

Per American Rifleman article:

A factory fresh AR lower receiver that has never been part of a firearm can be used to build a pistol, carbine or rifle. If a lower receiver is built into and registered as a pistol first, it can be stripped down and converted into a rifle in the future. If the receiver built into a carbine or rifle first, it must always remain part of a rifle and cannot ever be used to build a pistol.

<font color="#222222" face="Adelle, sans-serif">The relevant ATF info is here</font>

Posted: 12/18/2017 6:38:05 PM EDT

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So I am seriously planning on sending my recertification (with 25 or so handguns) in a large cardboard box, filled with packing peanuts, certified mail/signature required, the last week of January.

Realistically can I get in trouble for this?

After all, I just want to make sure it gets there safe so our wonderful overlords can properly keep track of my constitutionally protected posessions.

The funny thing is I am moving in February of 2018, so their precious records will be out of date pretty much immediately for me.

Posted: 12/18/2017 6:44:01 PM EDT

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No worries here. I left NY and took my guns with me. It wasn't easy, because I've spent decades in NY and developed a lot of very strong ties there, but I didn't want to live with this and all the other consequences of the SAFE Act. It was that big a deal for me. (I do still donate to NYSRPA, though.)

Indiana is a shall-issue state. My lifetime license arrived in my mailbox a week and a half after I submitted the application. I now own multiple suppressors and an AR pistol. Recently I saw a classified ad for a handgun I wanted, met the guy in a bank parking lot, and bought it on the spot. All mind-blowing for a guy who's spent years under NY's iron thumb.

NY is such a beautiful place. Too bad the politicians had to mess it up so badly. Best of luck.

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I made the same decision in 2016. Moved to the free state of Arizona!
Pluses:
Constitutional carry no permit required
If you do get a permit it allows carry in bars reciprocity with just about everyone west of the Mississippi and negates a nics check while valid
Class III as much as your wallet can beat
As many full cap mags as you like
Lower taxes
Lower cost of living
Better weather
I could go on...

Posted: 12/20/2017 1:30:10 PM EDT

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Question...WHY did they include this in the law?

Failure to recertify shall act as a revocation of such license. If the New York state police discover as a result of the recertification process that a licensee failed to provide a change of address, the New York state police shall not require the licensing officer to revoke such license.

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Why would they decide to be any bit lenient? They fucked us so hard with the unSAFE act, and didn't "compromise" on anything to get it passed...so why not revoke some poor schmoe's license if he forgot to update his address?

Posted: 12/20/2017 2:02:21 PM EDT

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Don't the unsafe act also say if there are issues, that all firearms including long guns must be removed as well? Issues such as re-certification or if applying for first time and getting denied due to taxes and such? Not criminal or arrest issues.

Posted: 12/20/2017 7:08:10 PM EDT

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Question...WHY did they include this in the law?

Why would they decide to be any bit lenient? They fucked us so hard with the unSAFE act, and didn't "compromise" on anything to get it passed...so why not revoke some poor schmoe's license if he forgot to update his address?

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Maybe they anticipate finding a LOT of wrong/inaccurate/out of date address? I doubt the state police want to be bothered schlepping around trying to track people down over a bad address. I'm sure they get enough of that with legit bad people. Just a guess.

Posted: 12/20/2017 10:42:39 PM EDT

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Maybe they anticipate finding a LOT of wrong/inaccurate/out of date address? I doubt the state police want to be bothered schlepping around trying to track people down over a bad address. I'm sure they get enough of that with legit bad people. Just a guess.

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To the NYSP, ALL gun owners are bad people.

Posted: 12/21/2017 9:46:09 AM EDT

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That statement is just ignorant and completely false. Maybe in the downstate area adjacent to NYC that might have a shred of truth. I know a lot of Troopers and not a one gives a fuck about guns or who owns what. I know more still that are into guns themselves and are great shooters, and hate the SAFE Act because of all the potential BS work it could give them.

Posted: 12/21/2017 10:19:55 AM EDT

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That statement is just ignorant and completely false. Maybe in the downstate area adjacent to NYC that might have a shred of truth. I know a lot of Troopers and not a one gives a fuck about guns or who owns what. I know more still that are into guns themselves and are great shooters, and hate the SAFE Act because of all the potential BS work it could give them.

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One, I was speaking as an organization, not necessarily individuals, but I am sure most toe the line. Two, I see a pattern with your posts....

Posted: 12/21/2017 10:23:49 AM EDT

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I really don't care if you see Santa in my posts. You said what you said and got called on it. Get over it and move on back to the TX HTF.

Posted: 12/21/2017 10:32:07 AM EDT

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I lived in NY for almost all my life, I was born there too. 40years living in that state, I can comment on anything I want. I moved out of NYS because of the SAFE Act.

The NYSP as an organization is the enemy, no matter how much you love them. Cuomo is the enemy. Liberals are destroying the state, and that is too bad.

Mr. I registered early....

Posted: 12/21/2017 10:35:58 AM EDT

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I lived in NY for almost all my life, I was born there too. 40years living in that state, I can comment on anything I want. I moved out of NYS because of the SAFE Act.

The NYSP as an organization is the enemy, no matter how much you love them. Cuomo is the enemy. Liberals are destroying the state, and that is too bad.

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Yea I did it early, big whoop. As I said before, all you're doing by waiting till the last second or sending the recert in with all sorts of sigs required is making more work for some low level paper pusher who could give fuck all about the whole process. And making yourself feel like a big bad crusader. If it makes you feel better, then go for it. Good for you for getting out. I'll be on my way out in about 20 years with my $70k pension.

Posted: 12/21/2017 11:04:43 AM EDT

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Yea I did it early, big whoop. As I said before, all you're doing by waiting till the last second or sending the recert in with all sorts of sigs required is making more work for some low level paper pusher who could give fuck all about the whole process. And making yourself feel like a big bad crusader. If it makes you feel better, then go for it. Good for you for getting out. I'll be on my way out in about 20 years with my $70k pension.

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Yeah, sure you will, you think NY will be solvent in 20 years....

There is a thing called resistance....I love that it inconveniences some "low level paper pusher who could give a fuck"...because you are wrong, punish them all, they are all part of the system. Resistance means making life miserable for those who pushed this bullshit. Make it cost them money, in time and effort. Overwhelm them with bullshit. Fuck them.

Why do you think they have been unable to get their background check for ammo scheme going, it costs too much money, which they don't have. Make their re-registration scheme as expensive and painful as possible, because while it is not going to get rid of the SAFE Act, it pushes back on some level. Try to strangle them with their own rules. Its better than bending over and grabbing your own ankles every time Cumhole opens his cockholster.

I am sure you were amongst the whopping 4% compliance with registration, and probably did that early too....good for you.

I save my applause for those who resist, however they can.

Oh, I believe it was NYSP who were confiscating cardboard gun cutouts...that's some mighty fine police work by pillars of the 2nd Amendment....

Posted: 12/22/2017 1:33:02 PM EDT

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They did as they were told by the Princess. Therein lies the problem.

Don't steal my Rights and property and expect me to go merrily along with it. FUAC, your minions can process this bs renewal by hand.

Posted: 12/22/2017 4:41:45 PM EDT

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I'll recertify... but no rush. I got my PP after 2000 so Albany already knows every gun I've added to my permit.

Posted: 12/23/2017 12:09:16 PM EDT

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That statement is just ignorant and completely false. Maybe in the downstate area adjacent to NYC that might have a shred of truth. I know a lot of Troopers and not a one gives a fuck about guns or who owns what. I know more still that are into guns themselves and are great shooters, and hate the SAFE Act because of all the potential BS work it could give them.

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Maybe but when their ordered to enforce the SAFE act they will because they're not going to risk their paycheck or their pension

Posted: 12/25/2017 1:55:42 PM EDT

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This is not the same thing as registering an AR. With an AR, they have no idea you had one. You could've just fixed the magazine or gone some other route of making it legal.

With the pistols, they are already registered. Everytime you go to your county clerk's office to make an amendment, a copy is sent to the state. They already know what you have. This recertification nonsense is so they can cancel out permits of the deceased or those that moved away. It is also to check for those that are no longer eligible and cannot pass a NICS check but still have their pistol permits.

Posted: 12/25/2017 5:53:39 PM EDT

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Those peoples permits are rescinded as soon as they get a disqualifying conviction.

Posted: 12/25/2017 7:08:39 PM EDT

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This is not the same thing as registering an AR. With an AR, they have no idea you had one. You could've just fixed the magazine or gone some other route of making it legal.

With the pistols, they are already registered. Everytime you go to your county clerk's office to make an amendment, a copy is sent to the state. They already know what you have. This recertification nonsense is so they can cancel out permits of the deceased or those that moved away. It is also to check for those that are no longer eligible and cannot pass a NICS check but still have their pistol permits.

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It's more than that. First, it gives Cuomo a mechanism to confiscate firearms (not just pistols, but long guns too that were never required to be registered) from those who unknowingly do not recertify. Second, it leaves the door open for the State to implement a recert fee. FUAC , Mr. "Confiscation is an option", didn't shove this down our throats for benevolent reasons.

Posted: 12/26/2017 7:56:27 AM EDT

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Second, it leaves the door open for the State to implement a recert fee. FUAC , Mr. "Confiscation is an option", didn't shove this down our throats for benevolent reasons.

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With the state facing a $7 billion budget hole next year and the SALT deduction limit, they will be looking at creative ways to raise funds. I expect an explosion in new fees and a substantial increase in existing fees. Currently state law prohibits fees from exceeding the cost to provide the service but I think that law will be gone in short order. Nassau and Suffolk have been relying on excessive fees to fund their bloated budgets and Nassau recently got smacked down by the courts over excessive fees. A change in law would fix that and let the state partake too.

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