Anybody have recommendations for firearms training courses this year in Indiana? I don't want to make too long trip of it, Kentucky would probably be OK too. I need self defense pistol first, but I'd also like to hear about carbine and shotgun. I'm especially interested if there's a second advanced course from the same trainers focusing on home defense or including force on force with simunitions or at least airsoft or something.
I've done Appleseed before, and maybe again this year, but the slow (though accurate) fire from formal positions doesn't make it a great self defense course, unless the bad guys are 300 yards out. I've been shooting extensively on my own for years, so I would test out of a total noob level the-bullet-comes-out-of-this-end class, but neither should I leap ahead.
ETA- Hard Target concealed carry tactics AAR
Hard Target is a small shooting school in Evansville run by retired police office Guy Minnis. I attended their Tactical Concealed Carry class this Saturday at Red Brush Range in Newburgh, 5 hour course, cost $85.
Spent a few minutes on basic safety, then lined up on the range. Next was drawing from concealment, the first couple times with unloaded weapons to make sure nobody was doing anything nuts. After that it was all live ammo.
All stages included drawing as rapidly as possible and reholstering loaded weapons. Fired something like 200rds. Stages were:
*10 yards stationary at single targets, typically two shots COM and one in the face (Minnis would call for left eye, right eye, or nose specifically- and he believes in killing the assailant as quickly as possible, "ending the threat" is lawyer talk, thank you very much) with emphasis on stance, grip, and presentation (rotating your wrist as you draw to have the gun instantly capable of firing, keeping it close in to your chest and leveled at the attacker as you raise it to eye level)
*10 yards with a sidestep to spoil the attacker's aim
*10 yards with a sidestep and obseving your surroundings after the attacker is down
*7 yards with left hand 90 degree turns to engage, right hand 90 degree turns to engage, and 180's
*7 yards firing on two attackers
*10 yards firing on the advance
*10 yards firing on the retreat
*3 yards firing from the sternum
*3 yards firing from the sternum and on the retreat
*3 yards firing from a sitting position
Minnis is of the good ole' boy variety, you'll get along with him. He knew some of the shooters personally and mocked them gleefully, everybody else got respectful, helpful instruction. There were two assistant instructors, young guys around 20 or so, also helpful. The instructor on my side helped me correct a sweeping draw style, a bad reholstering habit, and helped me improve on the 3 yard sternum shooting.
There were 14 shooters, 4 were women. Several pocket holsters, three swept back overshirt concealers (my style), one CCW purse, and the rest OWB with untucked shirts. Couple older folks, couple middle aged, about half were college aged, and I gather several of those were Criminal Justice majors. I saw at least four Glocks, three or four 380's, one Airweight, one M&P9, a Taurus 357, and I brought my XD9 Service. The guy with a new Sig P238 was constantly down or clearing malfs, and a gal with a ported Glock kept losing poorly seated mags. Minnis stayed behind ten or fifteen minutes trying to fix the guy's Sig, which was nice of him.
Pro- Solid basics covered, knowledgeable and personable instructors, reasonable goals for the class, beautiful day, cheap, quick, close to home, instructors corrected several of my bad habits, gave me several new scenarios to train with on my own, and my confidence is much higher
Cons- The bay we were in was too small for the class size, and we shot less than we might have since we had to swap between shooters and observers for the last ½ of the class. One of the taller gentlemen was shooting down into a rain puddle, with the breeze we got a little artificial rain. There was no work done on mag changes, they were actually sort of discouraged. There were a couple of full auto shooters in a nearby bay, that interrupted communication a little now and then.
Upshot- A week at Gunsite it ain't, but it's worth it if you haven't had similar training recently, and I plan to take additional courses, starting with point shooting in mid May.
I shot quite well and came away happy and educated (black marked hits are the instructor's- he wasn't really aiming, just demonstrating that guns work in weird firing positions, my lower left flyers are from the sternum shooting on the retreat, not something I've tried before):
Yes, that's OJ. All of the targets were OJ, Minnis does not care for OJ.