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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:39:29 PM EDT
193 days and counting...
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I know a guy who applied in early June for a new FOID. Not one word.
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Mine took 273 days but was finally approved. How long do they take to mail these after approval?
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Quoted: Mine took 273 days but was finally approved. How long do they take to mail these after approval? View Quote I think most people receive them in a couple of weeks once printed. However, the ISP says to allow 30 days IIRC. They dont print every day afaik, so depends on how far away you are from the next print run. |
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Help me remember....
@InterestedBystander @SwanHunter 1. How early can I start the renewal process? 2. If it expires doesn't that invalidate a CCW? (Answered by looking at the Tacked thread....Thx for that....) 3. Wasn't there a Ill state rep who's FOID expired but is CCW was still valid and he got arrested because the expired FOID invalided the CCW? |
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Quoted: Help me remember.... @InterestedBystander @SwanHunter 1. How early can I start the renewal process? 2. If it expires doesn't that invalidate a CCW? (Answered by looking at the Tacked thread....Thx for that....) 3. Wasn't there a Ill state rep who's FOID expired but is CCW was still valid and he got arrested because the expired FOID invalided the CCW? View Quote 1. My FOID renewal button opened for entry 3 months prior to expiration date printed on card. 90 days in advance, yet it's taking longer than that for renewals. 2. Under Covid rules FOID and CCL expirations are extended. Apply and you've got a valid card for 18 more months post disaster proclamation in spite of printed expire date. 3. Yes there was a story printed about that. I seem to recall the conclusion was "it was a mistake" and charges were dropped. Shocking!!! edit: https://news.wttw.com/2020/08/19/state-lawmaker-contemplates-suing-cpd-after-gun-charge-dismissed |
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Quoted: 1. My FOID renewal button opened for entry 3 months prior to expiration date printed on card. 90 days in advance, yet it's taking longer than that for renewals. 2. Under Covid rules FOID and CCL expirations are extended. Apply and you've got a valid card for 18 more months post disaster proclamation in spite of printed expire date. 3. Yes there was a story printed about that. I seem to recall the conclusion was "it was a mistake" and charges were dropped. Shocking!!! edit: https://news.wttw.com/2020/08/19/state-lawmaker-contemplates-suing-cpd-after-gun-charge-dismissed View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Help me remember.... @InterestedBystander @SwanHunter 1. How early can I start the renewal process? 2. If it expires doesn't that invalidate a CCW? (Answered by looking at the Tacked thread....Thx for that....) 3. Wasn't there a Ill state rep who's FOID expired but is CCW was still valid and he got arrested because the expired FOID invalided the CCW? 1. My FOID renewal button opened for entry 3 months prior to expiration date printed on card. 90 days in advance, yet it's taking longer than that for renewals. 2. Under Covid rules FOID and CCL expirations are extended. Apply and you've got a valid card for 18 more months post disaster proclamation in spite of printed expire date. 3. Yes there was a story printed about that. I seem to recall the conclusion was "it was a mistake" and charges were dropped. Shocking!!! edit: https://news.wttw.com/2020/08/19/state-lawmaker-contemplates-suing-cpd-after-gun-charge-dismissed @InterestedBystander So my first question is, does the 18 months apply to when I start my renewal process or does it start from Fhat Boy's disaster declaration date? Second, what if the Disaster declaration expires before the renewal process is completed? Does that impact the extension? Third....what to do when you run into the inevitable cop that has no clue and wants to arrest me because "your foid is expired"....and then they confiscate my gun as in the above scenario with the state congress person? |
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Quoted: @InterestedBystander So my first question is, does the 18 months apply to when I start my renewal process or does it start from Fhat Boy's disaster declaration date? Second, what if the Disaster declaration expires before the renewal process is completed? Does that impact the extension? Third....what to do when you run into the inevitable cop that has no clue and wants to arrest me because "your foid is expired"....and then they confiscate my gun as in the above scenario with the state congress person? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: @InterestedBystander So my first question is, does the 18 months apply to when I start my renewal process or does it start from Fhat Boy's disaster declaration date? Second, what if the Disaster declaration expires before the renewal process is completed? Does that impact the extension? Third....what to do when you run into the inevitable cop that has no clue and wants to arrest me because "your foid is expired"....and then they confiscate my gun as in the above scenario with the state congress person? IANAL. 1) Your extra 18 begins with end of proclamation as written. My interpretation is that if you have submitted a renewal then the card stays active through the end of disaster proclamation plus an additional 18 months from the end of proclamation edit: ISPFSB FAQ Q. What is the impact of the state's disaster declaration on my FOID expiration date? A. Firearms Owners Identification (FOID) card holders and Concealed Carry License (CCL) holders, who submit their renewal application will remain valid during the duration of the state's disaster proclamation and for a period of 18 months (previously 12 months) following the termination of the disaster, even if their renewal application is/was not submitted prior to expiration 2) Dont know. Assuming no additional JCAR changes or Covid rules, would expect it to still be the 18 months post end of declaration. If renewal submitted, then card is active until whenever disaster ends. So if thats 3 mo or longer from ability to start renewal + time until end of declaration + 18 months you are looking at close to two years. In general it seems renewals are around 5 or 6 months, some more, some less, some getting caught in system. 3) Although past expired date on card, LE lookup should bring back as Active. Recommendations are keeping a print of your renewal payment with you. Once I go past my expire date, Ill probably also include having a print of relevant Covid rules. The ISP Firearms Services Bureau encourages FOID cardholders and CCL holders to keep a copy of their confirmation from their submitted renewal application as additional verification of compliance. My best guess and looking forward to @Swanhunter input/corrections |
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Quoted: IANAL. 1) Your extra 18 begins with end of proclamation as written. My interpretation is that if you have submitted a renewal then the card stays active through the end of disaster proclamation plus an additional 18 months from the end of proclamation edit: ISPFSB FAQ Q. What is the impact of the state's disaster declaration on my FOID expiration date? A. Firearms Owners Identification (FOID) card holders and Concealed Carry License (CCL) holders, who submit their renewal application will remain valid during the duration of the state's disaster proclamation and for a period of 18 months (previously 12 months) following the termination of the disaster, even if their renewal application is/was not submitted prior to expiration 2) Dont know. Assuming no additional JCAR changes or Covid rules, would expect it to still be the 18 months post end of declaration. If renewal submitted, then card is active until whenever disaster ends. So if thats 3 mo or longer from ability to start renewal + time until end of declaration + 18 months you are looking at close to two years. In general it seems renewals are around 5 or 6 months, some more, some less, some getting caught in system. 3) Although past expired date on card, LE lookup should bring back as Active. Recommendations are keeping a print of your renewal payment with you. Once I go past my expire date, Ill probably also include having a print of relevant Covid rules. My best guess and looking forward to @Swanhunter input/corrections View Quote @InterestedBystander Thanks, that is extremely helpful. |
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Quoted: I think most people receive them in a couple of weeks once printed. However, the ISP says to allow 30 days IIRC. They dont print every day afaik, so depends on how far away you are from the next print run. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Mine took 273 days but was finally approved. How long do they take to mail these after approval? I think most people receive them in a couple of weeks once printed. However, the ISP says to allow 30 days IIRC. They dont print every day afaik, so depends on how far away you are from the next print run. 281 days from application to finally getting the card |
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Quoted: @InterestedBystander Thanks, that is extremely helpful. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: IANAL. 1) Your extra 18 begins with end of proclamation as written. My interpretation is that if you have submitted a renewal then the card stays active through the end of disaster proclamation plus an additional 18 months from the end of proclamation edit: ISPFSB FAQ Q. What is the impact of the state's disaster declaration on my FOID expiration date? A. Firearms Owners Identification (FOID) card holders and Concealed Carry License (CCL) holders, who submit their renewal application will remain valid during the duration of the state's disaster proclamation and for a period of 18 months (previously 12 months) following the termination of the disaster, even if their renewal application is/was not submitted prior to expiration 2) Dont know. Assuming no additional JCAR changes or Covid rules, would expect it to still be the 18 months post end of declaration. If renewal submitted, then card is active until whenever disaster ends. So if thats 3 mo or longer from ability to start renewal + time until end of declaration + 18 months you are looking at close to two years. In general it seems renewals are around 5 or 6 months, some more, some less, some getting caught in system. 3) Although past expired date on card, LE lookup should bring back as Active. Recommendations are keeping a print of your renewal payment with you. Once I go past my expire date, Ill probably also include having a print of relevant Covid rules. My best guess and looking forward to @Swanhunter input/corrections @InterestedBystander Thanks, that is extremely helpful. @slarti @InterestedBystander I made up a business card size printout of relevant dates, numbers, etc. and carry it in my wallet. So if I get challenged by a cop I can show expired CCL plus the printed card with renewal date, payment confirmation number, the IL regs (from tacked thread), etc. A cop is gonna cop, but if s/he is truly just uninformed then maybe I keep my property. Let me know if you want the template. |
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Quoted: @slarti @InterestedBystander I made up a business card size printout of relevant dates, numbers, etc. and carry it in my wallet. So if I get challenged by a cop I can show expired CCL plus the printed card with renewal date, payment confirmation number, the IL regs (from tacked thread), etc. A cop is gonna cop, but if s/he is truly just uninformed then maybe I keep my property. Let me know if you want the template. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: IANAL. 1) Your extra 18 begins with end of proclamation as written. My interpretation is that if you have submitted a renewal then the card stays active through the end of disaster proclamation plus an additional 18 months from the end of proclamation edit: ISPFSB FAQ Q. What is the impact of the state's disaster declaration on my FOID expiration date? A. Firearms Owners Identification (FOID) card holders and Concealed Carry License (CCL) holders, who submit their renewal application will remain valid during the duration of the state's disaster proclamation and for a period of 18 months (previously 12 months) following the termination of the disaster, even if their renewal application is/was not submitted prior to expiration 2) Dont know. Assuming no additional JCAR changes or Covid rules, would expect it to still be the 18 months post end of declaration. If renewal submitted, then card is active until whenever disaster ends. So if thats 3 mo or longer from ability to start renewal + time until end of declaration + 18 months you are looking at close to two years. In general it seems renewals are around 5 or 6 months, some more, some less, some getting caught in system. 3) Although past expired date on card, LE lookup should bring back as Active. Recommendations are keeping a print of your renewal payment with you. Once I go past my expire date, Ill probably also include having a print of relevant Covid rules. My best guess and looking forward to @Swanhunter input/corrections @InterestedBystander Thanks, that is extremely helpful. @slarti @InterestedBystander I made up a business card size printout of relevant dates, numbers, etc. and carry it in my wallet. So if I get challenged by a cop I can show expired CCL plus the printed card with renewal date, payment confirmation number, the IL regs (from tacked thread), etc. A cop is gonna cop, but if s/he is truly just uninformed then maybe I keep my property. Let me know if you want the template. @sendit14. Interested. |
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366 days for my son.
He received a letter from the ISPFSB several weeks ago explaining that the card is valid and their directive carries the force of statute. You’d think they could have just sent a new card. |
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Quoted: ...and their directive carries the force of statute. View Quote How does an ISP directive carry the force of statute if there has been no bill filed, debated or voted on? Is it the JCAR approval that does this? Not enough energy right now to look up the specifics. Can they just make up anything they want? |
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How does an ISP directive carry the force of statute if there has been no bill filed, debated or voted on? View Quote They believe it has the force of statute because it was an emergency order by the Governor. Mike IllinoisCarry.com |
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Quoted: How does an ISP directive carry the force of statute if there has been no bill filed, debated or voted on? Is it the JCAR approval that does this? Not enough energy right now to look up the specifics. Can they just make up anything they want? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: ...and their directive carries the force of statute. How does an ISP directive carry the force of statute if there has been no bill filed, debated or voted on? Is it the JCAR approval that does this? Not enough energy right now to look up the specifics. Can they just make up anything they want? Yes, they can and they do. EDIT: For clarity. |
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Got mine last Friday, March 5th, 2021 applied for it on October 19, 2019. I had to go through Above Biometrics to kick start the process. I got it within 4days of it going active.
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Quoted: Got mine last Friday, March 5th, 2021 applied for it on October 19, 2019. I had to go through Above Biometrics to kick start the process. I got it within 4days of it going active. View Quote Congrats on finally getting the card. I assume you are referring to CCL since Biometrics is a fingerprint service. Regardless, that is too long for either card. Im only 3 months into waiting on my FOID renewal submission so my card has caused no issues yet. |
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Quoted: Congrats on finally getting the card. I assume you are referring to CCL since Biometrics is a fingerprint service. Regardless, that is too long for either card. I'm only 3 months into waiting on my FOID renewal submission so my card has caused no issues yet. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Got mine last Friday, March 5th, 2021 applied for it on October 19, 2019. I had to go through Above Biometrics to kick start the process. I got it within 4 days of it going active. Congrats on finally getting the card. I assume you are referring to CCL since Biometrics is a fingerprint service. Regardless, that is too long for either card. I'm only 3 months into waiting on my FOID renewal submission so my card has caused no issues yet. No, actually I meant FOID. I took my renewal course two weeks ago for the CCL. At the class, the instructor advised us that if we were having problems with our FOIDs that they might be able to assist us. Mine had been sitting in purgatory since October '19. I called up Biometrics and the FOID went active the same day. I submitted my renewal through them for my CCL and it went active in less than a week. Considering the massive backload downstate the charge for submitting the renewal app is worth it. |
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Quoted: No, actually I meant FOID. I took my renewal course two weeks ago for the CCL. At the class, the instructor advised us that if we were having problems with our FOIDs that they might be able to assist us. Mine had been sitting in purgatory since October '19. I called up Bionics and the FOID went active the same day. I submitted my renewal through them for my CCL and it went active in less than a week. Considering the massive backload downstate the charge for submitting the renewal app is worth it. View Quote Wow. Makes no sense they could get it done but whatever works to make it happen! |
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I called up Bionics and the FOID went active the same day. I submitted my renewal through them for my CCL and it went active in less than a week View Quote This is totally news to us...Can you give more info on this outfit? |
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Quoted: This is totally news to us...Can you give more info on this outfit? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I called up Bionics and the FOID went active the same day. I submitted my renewal through them for my CCL and it went active in less than a week This is totally news to us...Can you give more info on this outfit? They're easy to find. I filled out the form on their website for the CCL renewal and submitted it through them with the photo and certificate. You'll have to give them access to your ISP info on the ISP portal, pay through them, and pay a $40 charge upfront. For the initial application, you'll have to do a fingerprint which they do no fingerprints if renewal unless you didn't have them on the initial application I guess. SH Check your inbox. @SwanHunter |
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Quoted: My Foid had been languishing for over a year. To get the CCL started they goosed the state somehow to process that so they could start with the CCL. They're easy to find. I filled out the form on their website for the CCL renewal and submitted it through them with the photo and certificate. You'll have to give them access to your ISP info on the ISP portal, pay through them, and pay a $40 charge upfront. For the initial application, you'll have to do a fingerprint which they do no fingerprints if renewal unless you didn't have them on the initial application I guess. SH Check your inbox. @SwanHunter View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I called up Bionics and the FOID went active the same day. I submitted my renewal through them for my CCL and it went active in less than a week This is totally news to us...Can you give more info on this outfit? They're easy to find. I filled out the form on their website for the CCL renewal and submitted it through them with the photo and certificate. You'll have to give them access to your ISP info on the ISP portal, pay through them, and pay a $40 charge upfront. For the initial application, you'll have to do a fingerprint which they do no fingerprints if renewal unless you didn't have them on the initial application I guess. SH Check your inbox. @SwanHunter Disclaimer: never heard of Bionics before this post Caveat: the following is my opinion and mine alone It makes sense that using a fingerprint service got it done faster. If the State moves quickly on fingerprinted applications then people tell other people to use a fingerprint service. Then 1) the state builds its database of CCL fingerprints quicker, and 2) undoubtedly someone at the state gets a taste from the fingerprinting service. |
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Quoted: Disclaimer: never heard of Bionics before this post Caveat: the following is my opinion and mine alone It makes sense that using a fingerprint service got it done faster. If the State moves quickly on fingerprinted applications then people tell other people to use a fingerprint service. Then 1) the state builds its database of CCL fingerprints quicker, and 2) undoubtedly someone at the state gets a taste from the fingerprinting service. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I called up Bionics and the FOID went active the same day. I submitted my renewal through them for my CCL and it went active in less than a week This is totally news to us...Can you give more info on this outfit? They're easy to find. I filled out the form on their website for the CCL renewal and submitted it through them with the photo and certificate. You'll have to give them access to your ISP info on the ISP portal, pay through them, and pay a $40 charge upfront. For the initial application, you'll have to do a fingerprint which they do no fingerprints if renewal unless you didn't have them on the initial application I guess. SH Check your inbox. @SwanHunter Disclaimer: never heard of Bionics before this post Caveat: the following is my opinion and mine alone It makes sense that using a fingerprint service got it done faster. If the State moves quickly on fingerprinted applications then people tell other people to use a fingerprint service. Then 1) the state builds its database of CCL fingerprints quicker, and 2) undoubtedly someone at the state gets a taste from the fingerprinting service. disclaimer: not Bionics, that's a typo of mine. The firm is Above Biometrics.......stupid typo my bad. |
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Quoted: disclaimer: not Bionics, that's a typo of mine. The firm is Above Biometrics.......stupid typo my bad. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I called up Bionics and the FOID went active the same day. I submitted my renewal through them for my CCL and it went active in less than a week This is totally news to us...Can you give more info on this outfit? They're easy to find. I filled out the form on their website for the CCL renewal and submitted it through them with the photo and certificate. You'll have to give them access to your ISP info on the ISP portal, pay through them, and pay a $40 charge upfront. For the initial application, you'll have to do a fingerprint which they do no fingerprints if renewal unless you didn't have them on the initial application I guess. SH Check your inbox. @SwanHunter Disclaimer: never heard of Bionics before this post Caveat: the following is my opinion and mine alone It makes sense that using a fingerprint service got it done faster. If the State moves quickly on fingerprinted applications then people tell other people to use a fingerprint service. Then 1) the state builds its database of CCL fingerprints quicker, and 2) undoubtedly someone at the state gets a taste from the fingerprinting service. disclaimer: not Bionics, that's a typo of mine. The firm is Above Biometrics.......stupid typo my bad. Never heard of them either My opinion is the same - substitute name ?? |
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Being a year late is common place. GSL gets phone calls and letters from non-members castigating us for not forcing the State of Illinois to follow its own law, and restore such non-members rights. GSL, ISRA, SAF, and NRA-ILA have filed or are supporting lawsuits on all this. Even if we win at the SCOTUS five years from now by a vote of 15 to 14, what will change? Illinois is not following the law now, how will a court ruling change that? There is talk of a new ISP task force to go pick up the guns of FOID cards carriers who forgot to renew. Does this sound like a protected Constitutional Right to you? Owning guns in Illinois is a privilege that only exists at the pleasure of the State.
Think about this. Suppose there were a FOID card for church attendance. You would have to wait up to a year to make sure it was okay with Illinois for you to exercise you first amendment right. |
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Quoted: Being a year late is common place. GSL gets phone calls and letters from non-members castigating us for not forcing the State of Illinois to follow its own law, and restore such non-members rights. GSL, ISRA, SAF, and NRA-ILA have filed or are supporting lawsuits on all this. Even if we win at the SCOTUS five years from now by a vote of 15 to 14, what will change? Illinois is not following the law now, how will a court ruling change that? There is talk of a new ISP task force to go pick up the guns of FOID cards carriers who forgot to renew. Does this sound like a protected Constitutional Right to you? Owning guns in Illinois is a privilege that only exists at the pleasure of the State. Think about this. Suppose there were a FOID card for church attendance. You would have to wait up to a year to make sure it was okay with Illinois for you to exercise you first amendment right. View Quote You mean like if churches and synagogues aren't open because of some Chinese virus? |
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110 calendar days. Things seem to be improving. Still waiting on physical card from USPS though.
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Quoted: You mean like if churches and synagogues aren't open because of some Chinese virus? View Quote I got two YELP reviews pulled last week because I used the words 'Chinese Flu' in them...they said I was culturally insensitive. I will write them back when I get back home and let them know they are outright lying and quashing my 1st amendment t rights. So let's review...where did this virus outbreak start and allowed to be spread worldwide? Oh yea China and it was called the Chinese Flu by many in the media until they became 'enlightened'. I'll remind YELP of that too...not that it will matter to them but maybe...just maybe my reply will enlighten someone at YELP...can't hurt to speak out...even to the delusional 'woke' crowd. Okay enough rant...have a blessed day fellow rough necks!! |
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Quoted: I got two YELP reviews pulled last week because I used the words 'Chinese Flu' in them...they said I was culturally insensitive. I will write them back when I get back home and let them know they are outright lying and quashing my 1st amendment t rights. So let's review...where did this virus outbreak start and allowed to be spread worldwide? Oh yea China and it was called the Chinese Flu by many in the media until they became 'enlightened'. I'll remind YELP of that too...not that it will matter to them but maybe...just maybe my reply will enlighten someone at YELP...can't hurt to speak out...even to the delusional 'woke' crowd. Okay enough rant...have a blessed day fellow rough necks!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You mean like if churches and synagogues aren't open because of some Chinese virus? I got two YELP reviews pulled last week because I used the words 'Chinese Flu' in them...they said I was culturally insensitive. I will write them back when I get back home and let them know they are outright lying and quashing my 1st amendment t rights. So let's review...where did this virus outbreak start and allowed to be spread worldwide? Oh yea China and it was called the Chinese Flu by many in the media until they became 'enlightened'. I'll remind YELP of that too...not that it will matter to them but maybe...just maybe my reply will enlighten someone at YELP...can't hurt to speak out...even to the delusional 'woke' crowd. Okay enough rant...have a blessed day fellow rough necks!! I think most places tolerate 'CCP virus' so try that? We can argue that it's a political statement and not a cultural abridgement ?? |
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Ok, I don't know what list I got on, but I applied for my FOID renewal on or about 4/4 and it arrived yesterday......Should I go buy a lotto ticket?
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Quoted: Ok, I don't know what list I got on, but I applied for my FOID renewal on or about 4/4 and it arrived yesterday......Should I go buy a lotto ticket? View Quote You are not the first person who has had a quick turn around in recent past. I can't help but wonder if old applications are in a huge pile somewhere and the ISP is chipping away at the pile. |
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Quoted: You are not the first person who has had a quick turn around in recent past. I can't help but wonder if old applications are in a huge pile somewhere and the ISP is chipping away at the pile. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ok, I don't know what list I got on, but I applied for my FOID renewal on or about 4/4 and it arrived yesterday......Should I go buy a lotto ticket? You are not the first person who has had a quick turn around in recent past. I can't help but wonder if old applications are in a huge pile somewhere and the ISP is chipping away at the pile. Would not surprise..... .GOV efficiency........ |
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Quoted: Would not surprise..... .GOV efficiency........ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok, I don't know what list I got on, but I applied for my FOID renewal on or about 4/4 and it arrived yesterday......Should I go buy a lotto ticket? You are not the first person who has had a quick turn around in recent past. I can't help but wonder if old applications are in a huge pile somewhere and the ISP is chipping away at the pile. Would not surprise..... .GOV efficiency........ they're not working with paper apps so much nowadays. |
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A retired old goat I meet for coffee told me he received his new FOID last week and the renewal took 30 days from the time the application was submitted.
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Just shy of 9 months on an address change. Fuck these people. That unconstitutional ruling needs to be applied statewide.
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Just shy of 9 months on an address change. Fuck these people. That unconstitutional ruling needs to be applied statewide. View Quote e-mail sent... |
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My FOID renews in September. Just renewed today. Will be interested to see how long it takes.
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I finally got my renewed CCP. 15 months after I mailed in the renewal! 710 more days and it's adios shithole.
ETA: My application had absolutely zero changes of any nature. |
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