Sorry,but I could not put the title into better words.

As I said in another thread here,I do not have the luxury of a lot of free time now, because of a number of reasons......but that's another story!

There seems to be a lot of unrest here, about a lot of things.............and maybe that is not all that  bad.I cannot read all the threads,so I thought I would start one thread, and those of you who want to do so,can post here so we can discuss-as friends- what problems are troubling you.

I have visited AZ several times, and have personally met many of you.I have had drinks,have eaten meals and have had great conversations with many of you.
Furthermore,I have established good friendships with WW,TREETOP,GO, and many others, and KNOW that I can count on you, if needed.I believe I can say, that I have a special relation and feel great affection for the AZ crew.

What I am trying to do,is establish some background to try to dispel any suspicion that there might be any kind of vendetta or "retaliatory strike" to suppress anyone......especially this group.
On the other hand,we must always try to apply the rules as evenly as possible,ESPECIALLY when it concerns friends and special groups, like the AZ crew.....as many,so often remind us

In what I considered a priviledged relation with this group,we asked -and then told you- to not use what WE CONSIDERED (I know this is a matter of interpretation) a derogatory term towards illegal Mexicans.Why not use the term illegal Mexican, if what we need to do is discuss the illegal allien problem?

I personally am secure with who I am, and couldn't care less if you call me a spic,raft monkey(derogatory term that applies to Cubans stereotyped from those who come to the US on rafts) or whatever you think is insulting to me.
However -we as Americans- are good hearted,kind,generous and compassionate  people. and therefore above the petty name calling crap.While nobody can force you to look at this problem from the point of view of the less fortunate Mexicans who come looking for a better life for their family (AT WHATEVER COST),I do ask, that you do not use derogatory terms when you put down your comments.

Again,I am not suggesting you should not be angry at the problems brought on by illegal immigration.I am not even asking that you stop discussing it here.All I am asking is that you show the decency of refering to these people as illegal aliens.Not "brown people",not "wetbacks" or "tonks" or whatever term you might find amusing, as you "rejoice" in their suffering.

If you feel that I do not deserve such small concession,and you cannot grant me such request -at the very least out of affection -then I have done something wrong in my relationship with you, as members of the Arizona crew.

Those who feel they no longer want to support the site with their Team membership donations, should not be criticized, but rather thanked for their past/current contributions to keep improving the site.It is certainly your prerogative to economically support AR15.com.Should you decide NOT to continue said support,you are ALWAYS welcome to stay as regular members.No hard feelings towards any of you,my friends!

Have a prosperous and happy new year!

Quoted: They are still criminals

Nobody is disputing that.So, call them illegal alliens,alliens who are criminally here,etc,etc?
How many here would not carry illegally if we had to thinking we might need it to defend our families?

We would be "criminals" and the antgunners could fear us,but it would not give them the right to call us potential murderers over parking space disputes.......as they often claim!

Quoted: call us potential murderers over parking space disputes.......as they often claim!

That analogy is a bit of a stretch...

Look, if you want to dispute,argue,etc EVERYTHING I say,fine.I have done the best I can to convey my message.

Quoted: No one was using any of the common slang words. They were saying Temporarily Out of Native Country.

And you were asked (nicely at first, several times) to NOT use that term--it's the same thing as the "common slang words."  I implore you (and everyone) to drop this.  When Ed Sr. loses his temper and begins posting in LARGE BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS, it's time to tiptoe inconspicuously out of the room.  Heed this.  

Quoted: wetback, taco, spic, not cool, i have mexican friends, they are not all that bad....

I own a color TV...

Quoted: I hate to say it, but your message has appeared to be nothing more than the defense of illegal aliens. This will probably get me banned, but I know what the problems are associated with illegal aliens first hand. I don't want or need someone else, especially outside of  AZ telling me the only problem with illegal aliens are those of us that don't like it.

Show me where I defend illegal immigration and I will buy you dinner 2 weeks from now when I will be in Phoenix.

You are confusing feeling sorry for someone's possition in the low strata of life,and defense of illegai immigration.
There is a difference between saying that (in their position)many of us would do the same,and encouraging anyone to cross the border illegaly.
There is a big difference in my saying that I feel sad for them,and saying that YOU have to feel the same way.

I have said "AD NAUSEUM" that all I ask you to do, is not use derogatory terms.I also asked if that was too much to request?

Quoted: The problem from my point of view is I think those that don't live here really don't understand how bad it is here. Our anger come from our media who have all kinds of PC names for illegals.  They don't call them what they are.  They use "undocumented worker" or "border crosser" which makes it seem like they are all just coming over for a daytrip. We have local groups who thwart lawful efforts by our border patrol  and defy laws by setting up aid stations for the illegals. We have the president of mexico publishing a "how to" book for illegals. Our schools and health care systems are overun. Our welfare system is a joke. These nice people just looking for a better life have murdered, raped and thieved all over southern AZ....hence the Ranch Rescue people. They leave garbage and destroy our lands. And NOTHING is done because the aztlan lobby will be all over like a cheap sombrero if you try to do anything. We are fed up and this shows in our frustrations here.

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Quoted: The problem from my point of view is I think those that don't live here really don't understand how bad it is here.

I live closer to the border than you do my friend, I work in the law enforcement community, and other than hearing it mentioned ONE time several years ago, the term "tonk" is NOT one I hear in the circles I run in.  

You know, I dont live in LA and I dont have to deal with the Crips and the Bloods, but if I did, would that give me the right to refer to them as "illegal nigger street gangs?"  Not if I have ANY common decency.

This whole thing is sad.   Really people, how many of you use the damn word anywhere outside of this forum?  How did we discuss the illegal immigrant situation BEFORE you guys latched on to "tonk" like you did pie, woot and any other word you can mindlessly repeat like a five year old?

Quoted: To make one point: Calling an illegal a "T-word" is the exact same as calling another criminal a "perp".  It's not a racial thing by its nature, but it can be perverted when used in a racial context.  It is far less derogatory than calling someone a "spic" or "wetback" with apparently Ed has no problem with.

How in the world do you infer that it is OK with me to say that,when my whole request is NOT TO USE derogatory terms?

I said "I don't care what you call ME".But that does not mean I don't have a problem with derogatory terms used on people.

Posted originally by EdAvilaSr I personally am secure with who I am, and couldn't care less if you call me a spic,raft monkey(derogatory term that applies to Cubans stereotyped from those who come to the US on rafts) or whatever you think is insulting to me. However -we as Americans- are good hearted,kind,generous and compassionate  people. and therefore above the petty name calling crap.While nobody can force you to look at this problem from the point of view of the less fortunate Mexicans who come looking for a better life for their family (AT WHATEVER COST),I do ask, that you do not use derogatory terms when you put down your comments. Again,I am not suggesting you should not be angry at the problems brought on by illegal immigration.I am not even asking that you stop discussing it here.All I am asking is that you show the decency of refering to these people as illegal aliens.Not "brown people",not "wetbacks" or "tonks" or whatever term you might find amusing, as you "rejoice" in their suffering.

I also would like 89grand -or anyone else - to show me where in my post I defend illegal immigration!

Can we stop this now?

Rehashing the rehashed.

We all know the rules, I ask you to abide them.

Quit forcing me to act/sound/type/think like a freakin Moderator!