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Posted: 12/3/2020 11:45:20 PM EDT
Update: 20210104
Dewine signed SB 175 into law!!! hurray! Governor DeWine Signs Duty to Retreat Bill  -------------------------------------------------- Update: 20201218 This is now a single bill, SB 175, and it was passed by both houses and is in Dewine's hands. SB 383 / HB 796 were inserted into SB 175 in late night maneuvering in the House... Great job everyone for getting on your Reps/Senators!  Now, we contact Dewine to urge enacting it into law: Duty to Retreat Bill Passes - Goes to Governor DeWine's Desk Instructions from the BFA article: CLICK HERE to go to the Governor's contact page online. Follow the directions below to send him a message: 1. Select "general" for the message issue. 2. Fill in your contact information. 3. Cut and paste this text into the "subject" line: Sign SB 175 Civil Immunity and Duty to Retreat Bill 4. Cut and paste this text into the "message" box, or write your own message. Please be polite but firm. The House and Senate have passed SB 175 and I'm urging you to sign this important bill into law. Current law allows law-abiding people to defend themselves in their own homes. But out in public, a so-called "duty to retreat" puts victims of violent crime in harm's way by forcing them to seek a means of escape before defending themselves or their loved ones. The amended version of SB 175 also provides civil immunity to nonprofit corporations, such as churches and charities, and persons associated with them for certain injuries, deaths, or losses resulting from the carrying of handguns. This fixes an oversight in the law which currently provides civil immunity to businesses and other entities. This bill changes NOTHING in determining when use of lethal force is legally justified. It merely removes the perilous and unfair "duty to retreat" that puts the safety of violent criminals above the lives of innocent victims. Please sign SB 175 into law immediately for the safety and protection of all law-abiding Ohio citizens. --------------------------------------------------------- Two bills, one in House, one in Senate - remove duty-to-retreat! HB 796: https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-status?id=GA133-HB-796 SB 383: https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA133-SB-383  BFA Testifies in Support of SB 383 and HB 796 to Eliminate Duty to Retreat Title edited {-safe1-} |
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Posted: 12/4/2020 5:33:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/8/2020 2:00:00 PM EDT
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I submitted the emails via the BFA website and then called my Rep and Senator's office numbers.
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Posted: 12/11/2020 11:32:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I submitted the emails via the BFA website and then called my Rep and Senator's office numbers. excellent!  |
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Posted: 12/11/2020 11:33:47 PM EDT
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Duty to Retreat Bill SB 383 Passes Senate Committee
great news, ...now on the senate floor - we need to urge the senate to pass it now! 
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Posted: 12/12/2020 2:40:58 PM EDT
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Sent again!
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Posted: 12/12/2020 5:52:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2020 2:15:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2020 8:08:06 AM EDT
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Contacted. No doubt Antani will be gtg, not much doubt Lehner won't.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 11:38:18 PM EDT
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i'm watching the house session (extended) right now 10:36 PM - Rep Koehler is introducing both bills as an amendment to another bill up for consideration on the floor!!!
http://www.ohiochannel.org/live/ohio-house-of-representatives |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 12:06:31 AM EDT
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democrats playing race card in arguing against the bills...
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Posted: 12/18/2020 12:33:44 AM EDT
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Yes, the bills are approved as an amendment to SB175!!
...now calling the roll on passage of SB175!!! |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 12:41:04 AM EDT
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Passes the House, 52/31!!!!
Yes!!! SB175, passed, now includes the HB796/SB383 language!!!
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Posted: 12/18/2020 8:09:20 AM EDT
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Title is very misleading.
It’s not a “Duty to retreat” bill, it’s a “Stand your ground” bill. |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 8:15:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Title is very misleading. It’s not a “Duty to retreat” bill, it’s a “Stand your ground” bill. I suppose you could call it a stand your ground bill. But it eliminates Ohio's "duty to retreat" - a term many people are familiar with. I knew just what the title meant when I read it and didn't think anything misleading of it. |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 8:26:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suppose you could call it a stand your ground bill. But it eliminates Ohio's "duty to retreat" - a term many people are familiar with. I knew just what the title meant when I read it and didn't think anything misleading of it. “Eliminates” being the key word missing in the title. |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 9:32:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Eliminates” being the key word missing in the title. Title edited |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 10:43:29 AM EDT
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I've called and emailed my state rep and senator....no response of any kind.. for this topic/legislation or for the override of the veto for the Gov. Not sure what the hell is going on in Columbus or wherever these guys are holed up, but its like the legislator has just gone silent and disappeared since the pandemic started.
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Posted: 12/18/2020 11:12:01 AM EDT
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End of day summary for yesterday from Jim Irvine former BFA president.
Both House and Senate are expected to reconvene on Friday to continue their work, and likely close out the session. JLE |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 7:05:23 PM EDT
[#19]
Solid progress if they pass.
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Posted: 12/18/2020 8:04:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2020 8:34:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2020 9:24:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf he thinks he can get more business shut down he'll sign it before bedtime... |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 10:27:00 PM EDT
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updated OP to reflect recent developments, ..SB 175 contains the elimination of duty-to-retreat, and is in the hands of the Governor...
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Posted: 12/19/2020 6:25:12 AM EDT
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Contacted the Gov's office and let him know where I stand.
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Posted: 12/19/2020 7:44:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.unitedfinalexpenseservices.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/check-resized.jpg Contacted the Gov's office and let him know where I stand. This. Doesn't look like the votes are there to override a veto. edit: Peggy Lehner (R) of course voted no. Just had to punch law abiding citizens in the eye one last time before she leaves. |
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Posted: 12/19/2020 3:24:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Doesn't look like the votes are there to override a veto. edit: Peggy Lehner (R) of course voted no. Just had to punch law abiding citizens in the eye one last time before she leaves. true! fortunately, she's being replaced by niraj antani! |
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Posted: 12/19/2020 4:13:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMessage sent!
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Posted: 12/20/2020 6:53:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 7:02:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: End of day summary for yesterday from Jim Irvine former BFA president.
Both House and Senate are expected to reconvene on Friday to continue their work, and likely close out the session. JLE Hey, I thought you could already buy/sell/make automatic knives (and gravity, and butterfly, and switchblades, and all sorts of other evil knives) in ohio... no? I thought the only caveat was that the scary knives were "dangerous ordinance" and thus not allowed to be concealed on one's person. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 7:38:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey, I thought you could already buy/sell/make automatic knives (and gravity, and butterfly, and switchblades, and all sorts of other evil knives) in ohio... no? I thought the only caveat was that the scary knives were "dangerous ordinance" and thus not allowed to be concealed on one's person. Dangerous ordnance is illegal to possess unless you have the right permit. Being concealed has nothing to do with it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 7:40:49 PM EDT
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Dewine, the cock-knocker will veto it...
Worse fcukin mistake ever, voting this RINO into office..2022 can't come soon enough.. And I thought Taft was bad.. https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dewine-asked-what-message-gun-bill-sends-in-wake-of-dayton-shooting/5HP6SAM3EFDQ5DWEGDCAD2HITY/?outputType=amp |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 8:41:33 PM EDT
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I could be wrong, but is there barely enough votes to override?
Could the threat of an override sway deswine? |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 7:44:06 AM EDT
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I don't think there are quite enough votes in the Senate. A couple Senators would have to change their vote. And I'm not even sure if there's enough time for any further legislative action with the session ending soon. We'll see.
DeWine is a complete and utter failure. Just sayin'... |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 8:52:25 AM EDT
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One other thing you try is to contact your local county Republican party chairman and let them know you want pressure on DeWine to sign these.
JLE |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:43:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dewine, the cock-knocker will veto it... Worse fcukin mistake ever, voting this RINO into office..2022 can't come soon enough.. And I thought Taft was bad.. https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dewine-asked-what-message-gun-bill-sends-in-wake-of-dayton-shooting/5HP6SAM3EFDQ5DWEGDCAD2HITY/?outputType=amp Any word from our State gun rights groups that endorsed this asshole? |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:56:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any word from our State gun rights groups that endorsed this asshole? Are you serious or just trolling ? Scoring politicians by what they’ve done so far or what they say they will do is no guarantee of future performance. Once politicians are in office they want to stay in office. That means they answer to all the voters not just the ar15.com Ohio hometown forum voters. All those people that oppose what we want get to vote too. Do you really expect a politician to commit political suicide for us ? |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 2:01:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you serious or just trolling ? Do you really expect a politician to commit political suicide for us ? If you want to define political suicide as supporting law abiding citizens that might be required to defend themselves against criminals, then yes, slit that throat. A majority of our house and senate members made that exact same decision and made the right one. That said, a certain gun rights group in Ohio chose to endorse this guy against heavy criticism and concerns about his past voting record. They now need to own it, including his veto of this legislation. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 2:04:21 PM EDT
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He was just on 700 WLW talking about how he's not happy that they haven't passed his gun control bills. Of course the little weasel wouldn't give a straight answer when asked point blank if he was going to sign it. Fuck that guy. Taft, Kasich, and now this turd. What a bunch of RINO asshats we get here.
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Posted: 12/21/2020 2:04:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Once politicians are in office they want to stay in office. That means they answer to all the voters not just the ar15.com Ohio hometown forum voters. Using your theory, should a majority want to ban gun ownership completely than the politicians had best get to banning. Stupid, and a complete misunderstanding of what politicians should be doing, defending our constitution, be it at the state or federal level. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 2:19:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Using your theory, should a majority want to ban gun ownership completely than the politicians had best get to banning. Stupid, and a complete misunderstanding of what politicians should be doing, defending our constitution, be it at the state or federal level. Just because I have a certain outlook on how things really are doesn’t mean I like it. To most politicians guns are just another issue to keep voters voting for them. They’re not going to give us everything we want since at that point they have no leverage over us. Even anti RKBA politicians do this. Yes, what they should do is write laws consistent with the constitution. What they really do is what I’m talking about. As for this bill, we might have had better success if not so much was crammed into one bill. But that’s another discussion ... Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed frequently and for the same reason. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 3:36:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As for this bill, we might have had better success if not so much was crammed into one bill. But that’s another discussion ... Or if they didn't wait until the last minute |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 3:44:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or if they didn't wait until the last minute Yup. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 3:45:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2020 9:15:36 AM EDT
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Looks like Dewine is gonna sit on it until the last possible minute, then veto it.   |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 10:44:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like Dewine is gonna sit on it until the last possible minute, then veto it. I bet Mary Taylor would have signed it. |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 12:21:46 PM EDT
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Maybe he has his finger in the wind.
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Posted: 12/22/2020 8:39:37 PM EDT
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folks, here's the quick form to inform dewine of your support for SB175:
time to hold dewine to account! if he signs it or weasels out and sits on it, it becomes law either way... only way it doesn't is if he vetoes, ..and that would be a pretty clear-cut egregious backstab on his part... Urge Governor DeWine to SIGN Senate Bill 175 and Remove the Duty to Retreat |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 8:50:19 PM EDT
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Hit it again.
Like you said, not signing is just as good as signing. If he doesn't have the balls to sign it, maybe with enough feedback he won't have the balls to veto it. |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 8:54:37 PM EDT
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yep, ..even if he weasels out and sits on it, ..it still goes into the "win" column for improving liberties in OH!
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Posted: 12/22/2020 10:08:25 PM EDT
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Considering his atrocious record on human rights, I expect a veto
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