Just to give everyone a heads up. I have been going into walmart lately and finding 50round boxes of 147gr winchester white box ammo. The boxes are usually around $10. I have been buying it to put in my extra mags that I keep in my car. No sense in buying tons of boxes of speer 147gr at $25 a box just to keep them in backup mags when I will probably never use the ones in the weapon. I do say probably so you never know hints on why I got the winchester.

Anyway, like all white box ammo it seems decent and this type is more than definitly subsonic. I am now really thinking of a 3 lug talon.

Hollow point, or Truncated ?

They are definitly 147 JHP.