SA Rack Grade with a new lease on life

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SA Rack Grade with a new lease on life

Posted: 2/10/2006 11:47:46 AM EDT

Here's my 1944 SA Rack Grade after a facelift.

CMP replacement stock with 5-6 more coats of BLO rubbed in and finished with 600 grit paper.
CMP replacement barrel. Criterion by Krieger.
Barrel install/head space and repark by Springfield Armory Inc. The total turn arond time was 2 weeks. They also reassembled and test fired the rifle.
Shooting it tomorrow to test the grin quotient.

Posted: 2/10/2006 1:20:16 PM EDT

[#1]

Looks Great RR !

May I ask what you have in it now and how much for each upgrade ?

Posted: 2/10/2006 1:47:04 PM EDT

[#2]

CMP stock? Are they new production or leftovers?

Posted: 2/10/2006 2:04:59 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Looks Great RR !

May I ask what you have in it now and how much for each upgrade ?

Off the top of my head:

CMP Rack Grade $372
Barrel $170
Stock $120 (These are new production stockbeing sold by the CMP with their Logo cartouched into the side where the arsenal acceptance cartouche would normally be on a vintage stock. They are not Boyd stocks.)
Rebarrel & Finish Chamering $125
Repark $75

About $872

Posted: 2/10/2006 3:15:41 PM EDT

[#4]

I'm debating either doing that or buying an M1A barrel and receiver to build all my spare parts onto. Same $$ either way.

Posted: 2/10/2006 3:41:28 PM EDT

[#5]

It looks like a fake.

Go put some hard wear on it to make it genuine agan

SoS

Posted: 2/10/2006 3:50:07 PM EDT

[#6]

Looks great! You really renewed that rack grade.

Posted: 2/10/2006 4:53:12 PM EDT

[#7]

Where are the BEFORE pics?

Looks great. I love those CMP stocks. I have three on hand, I need to order a few more before they are gone.

Posted: 2/10/2006 5:18:41 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
(These are new production stockbeing sold by the CMP with their Logo cartouched into the side where the arsenal acceptance cartouche would normally be on a vintage stock. They are not Boyd stocks.)

Care to bet on that?

They've been re-worked by Dupage Trading, but they ARE boyds.

Got one, love it.

Tim

Posted: 2/10/2006 5:49:37 PM EDT

[#9]

that looks great going to cmp web site right now and getten one good luck

Posted: 2/10/2006 8:22:15 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Where are the BEFORE pics?

Looks great. I love those CMP stocks. I have three on hand, I need to order a few more before they are gone.

Ask and ye shall receive.

Yep! It came with a glass bedded stock that looks like it was done by a drunk blind guy.

Apparently someone thought wood screws would be a good Idea, then changed their mind and took them out.

Here's the old barrel. Gulp!

Posted: 2/10/2006 10:02:12 PM EDT

[#11]

At one time, this Garand stock set was NM’d.

The front two screws where were the front hand guard was glued/screwed to the middle band to prevent the hand guard from contacting the front band.

If these two came from CMP this way, either the middle band on the barrel was replaced with an un-drilled one and the gas cylinder was replaced*, or somewhere down the line the action/stock were separated.

*Check the cylinder bottom bayonet lug to see if it was NM’d (narrowed to not contact the front hand guard clip.

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Recon_Rabbit

Now, not to burst your bubble, the rifle does look good, but you’re going to have problems on the new stock.

The rear hand guard should not be touching the front of the receiver nor make contact with the lower stock. With the tightness you have now against the receiver, the hand guard is going to crack. Also, with the rear hand guard touching the stock, this will cause changes in barrel harmonics/shot stringing (tension of the guard against the receiver will cause the same).

Looking at the cylinder to front hand guard, here too the fit is too tight and will cause stringing. Again, you do not want the gas cylinder tight against the front of the hand guard or you will end up with shot stringing. Since the correct fit is for the two to be loose, in NM’g, the hand guard is glued/screwed to attach it to the middle band so it does not make front contact as it moves around.

Posted: 2/11/2006 6:04:26 AM EDT

[#12]

Take your serial number and look it up on the SRS research site - www.armscollectors.com/srs.htm

You could have had a legitimate National Match Garand. If so, you may have destroyed a rifle that was worth over $2,000 even with a worn out barrel and re-done glass bedding.

Your finished product looks great - but I always caution anyone to look the history of their rifle up before permanently altering it. Some rare things went out of the CMP even as Rack Grades. I had a Harrington and Richardson Garand for a little while that came as a Rack Grade that should have gone as a Correct Grade or Collector grade, and had probably less than a hundred rounds put through it.

Edited: I saw the Ser # in the first pic, it is a WWII receiver, so it was not a SA produced NM rifle (those are in the late 5 million-6million range).

Posted: 2/11/2006 7:46:49 AM EDT

[#13]

Grin quotient will be high.

Posted: 2/11/2006 9:32:38 AM EDT

[#14]

www.snipercountry.com/articles/AccurizingM1Garand_I.asp

Posted: 2/11/2006 9:57:16 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Take your serial number and look it up on the SRS research site - www.armscollectors.com/srs.htm

You could have had a legitimate National Match Garand. If so, you may have destroyed a rifle that was worth over $2,000 even with a worn out barrel and re-done glass bedding.

Your finished product looks great - but I always caution anyone to look the history of their rifle up before permanently altering it. Some rare things went out of the CMP even as Rack Grades. I had a Harrington and Richardson Garand for a little while that came as a Rack Grade that should have gone as a Correct Grade or Collector grade, and had probably less than a hundred rounds put through it.

Edited: I saw the Ser # in the first pic, it is a WWII receiver, so it was not a SA produced NM rifle (those are in the late 5 million-6million range).

I checked it out before I did anything. It's just a mix master. No national match parts at all on it.

Posted: 2/11/2006 4:29:54 PM EDT

[#16]

Kudos to you for checking it out - many don't take the time.

The rifle turned out very good - as nice as any I have seen. I believe it is money and time well spent!

Posted: 2/11/2006 8:24:14 PM EDT

[#17]

Beautiful

Posted: 2/13/2006 10:24:04 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Recon_Rabbit

Now, not to burst your bubble, the rifle does look good, but you’re going to have problems on the new stock.

The rear hand guard should not be touching the front of the receiver nor make contact with the lower stock. With the tightness you have now against the receiver, the hand guard is going to crack. Also, with the rear hand guard touching the stock, this will cause changes in barrel harmonics/shot stringing (tension of the guard against the receiver will cause the same).

Looking at the cylinder to front hand guard, here too the fit is too tight and will cause stringing. Again, you do not want the gas cylinder tight against the front of the hand guard or you will end up with shot stringing. Since the correct fit is for the two to be loose, in NM’g, the hand guard is glued/screwed to attach it to the middle band so it does not make front contact as it moves around.

Thanks for the tips on the stock. I'll get those binding spots on the stock taken care of.

I must be doing something wrong. I shot the rifle this past Sunday. I initially shot at 50 yards and was putting 3 shots into about 3/4" group. At 100 yards, I was putting 5 rounds into 2". All without stringing. Just nice circular like groups. I'm 51 and I can't even see the bull without a flourescent orange stick-on to make it visable to these tired old eyes.

I wonder what it will do with the stock free ?

Posted: 2/13/2006 1:07:53 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Recon_Rabbit

Now, not to burst your bubble, the rifle does look good, but you’re going to have problems on the new stock.

The rear hand guard should not be touching the front of the receiver nor make contact with the lower stock. With the tightness you have now against the receiver, the hand guard is going to crack. Also, with the rear hand guard touching the stock, this will cause changes in barrel harmonics/shot stringing (tension of the guard against the receiver will cause the same).

Looking at the cylinder to front hand guard, here too the fit is too tight and will cause stringing. Again, you do not want the gas cylinder tight against the front of the hand guard or you will end up with shot stringing. Since the correct fit is for the two to be loose, in NM’g, the hand guard is glued/screwed to attach it to the middle band so it does not make front contact as it moves around.

Thanks for the tips on the stock. I'll get those binding spots on the stock taken care of.

I must be doing something wrong. I shot the rifle this past Sunday. I initially shot at 50 yards and was putting 3 shots into about 3/4" group. At 100 yards, I was putting 5 rounds into 2". All without stringing. Just nice circular like groups. I'm 51 and I can't even see the bull without a flourescent orange stick-on to make it visable to these tired old eyes. I wonder what it will do with the stock free ?

I would certainly make sure the areas Dano pointed out are ok, but there just ain't no way for him to make the observations he did based on the photo's you've provided.

Just make sure that the FRONT handguard can move a little and the REAR one has SOME (doesn't need much) clearance.

Those groups you're getting are fantastic.

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