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Posted: 3/14/2018 8:45:32 PM EDT
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its only 450 pounds. a dolly will do it and a buddy... You dont need 2 big dudes.
Just some advice. That safe might stop a smash and grab, but if anyone has 3o minutes and a grinder.... they are in. I have a similar "safe" and I expect losses if anyone knows what they are doing breaks in. |
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Posted: 3/14/2018 8:53:34 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 3/14/2018 8:57:03 PM EDT
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an ax can get in too. faster than 30 minutes
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Posted: 3/14/2018 9:44:52 PM EDT
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As stated, you are buying a glorified gun cabinet. Don’t get me wrong, I have one that isn’t a whole lot better but I also have one that is 3x heavier and the same size. Depends how much you have you are trying to secure.
The door should come off so you can move that by yourself on a cheap dolly. Go to a good safe store and look at options. My lightest is a Liberty, my middle weight is by Browning, my monster is a Fort Knox. All safe companies make various sizes, thickness, configurations. Nock on the one you linked too it will sound like a car door nock on a good safe and it sounds like knocking on a battleship as it’s just solid steel. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 12:36:48 PM EDT
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its only 450 pounds. a dolly will do it and a buddy... You dont need 2 big dudes. Just some advice. That safe might stop a smash and grab, but if anyone has 3o minutes and a grinder.... they are in. I have a similar "safe" and I expect losses if anyone knows what they are doing breaks in. Constructed with a 12 gauge steel door and a 14 gauge steel body. Whatever you end up with; a U.L. listed lock should be on your list of required features when you purchase. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 12:38:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/15/2018 3:14:43 PM EDT
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an ax can get in too. faster than 30 minutes The door is also pretty thin, so it's not going to hold someone wanting to get in there in a hurry if they can get a pry bar in there with some leverage. |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 3:17:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat only helps with fire. I did not see the steel used on that safe in that link... that's where the difference is when you want to make it harder to cut/ torch or pry a safe open.
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Posted: 3/15/2018 4:45:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That only helps with fire. I did not see the steel used on that safe in that link... that's where the difference is when you want to make it harder to cut/ torch or pry a safe open. I figured double the fire protection time for $150 might be worth it. Without me buying a $3500 safe... |
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Posted: 3/15/2018 5:07:40 PM EDT
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Yeah, I thought the chances of the house burning down were higher than someone breaking in and breaking into the safe. I figured double the fire protection time for $150 might be worth it. Without me buying a $3500 safe... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That only helps with fire. I did not see the steel used on that safe in that link... that's where the difference is when you want to make it harder to cut/ torch or pry a safe open. I figured double the fire protection time for $150 might be worth it. Without me buying a $3500 safe... Your best bet is to insure your guns with a rider on your homeowners. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 1:52:27 PM EDT
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I would definitely not recommend Cannon for a couple reasons. For one, their warranty department sucks, when your electronic lock inevitably fails, they will not honor their warranty and at most will just send you a new lock, even though it's useless as you can't get the safe open. Cannon literally stripped out any relevant security features from this safe and considering it only has 10 bolts in that large of a body and doesn't even mention the thickness in the door, I can pop that sucker open with a crowbar by myself. I would highly recommend taking a look at a Liberty Safe or the very least the AMSEC NF Series with my real recommendation being the AMSEC BF series. They use the same concrete proprietary mix they use in their TL Rated insurable safes. Another descent option that is far more affordable are the Steelwater safes with a dial lock. Here is their 39 gun safe with a 60 minute fire: https://www.amazon.com/Improved-Steelwater-Gun-Protection-AMLD593924-blk/dp/B00Y1HRC9K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1521568279&sr=8-18-spons&keywords=amsec+gun+safe&psc=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=expertsafer07-20&linkId=72015b6338a308894df3c7ed1a63a3e4
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Posted: 3/23/2018 1:14:56 AM EDT
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I got that cheap one at Academy. They are running some promo about reloading 10% back on a gift card. So I technically got it for $586 OTD. It can hold all of my guns and magazines.
I added a Tripp Lite surge protector, 18 inch golden rod, A pro breeze mini dehumidifier, and some motion activated leds.  Attached FileLol. I still need to anchor it to the concrete, add the rest of my guns and stuff, and clean up the wiring mess. It sure is better than nothing. |
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Posted: 3/23/2018 8:34:58 AM EDT
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I got that cheap one at Academy. They are running some promo about reloading 10% back on a gift card. So I technically got it for $586 OTD. It can hold all of my guns and magazines.
I added a Tripp Lite surge protector, 18 inch golden rod, A pro breeze mini dehumidifier, and some motion activated leds. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/351027/B3A0EA6F-C1A8-4348-9A49-ABBDD53D1BD9-490737.JPG Lol. I still need to anchor it to the concrete, add the rest of my guns and stuff, and clean up the wiring mess. It sure is better than nothing. |
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Posted: 3/23/2018 11:05:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Question- Why a golden rod and a dehumidifier? I thought that the golden rod was a dehumidifier? I still need to pick one up for my safe. |
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Posted: 3/23/2018 11:13:35 AM EDT
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Garage in Arkansas it gets really humid here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Question- Why a golden rod and a dehumidifier? I thought that the golden rod was a dehumidifier? I still need to pick one up for my safe. |
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Posted: 3/23/2018 11:54:00 AM EDT
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Before you ancor it to the floor consider building a platform for it to stand on! What I did was built a pressure treated plywood base and layer in rebar and wire mesh. Mine is 6-inches tall as the outer frame was made with pressure treated 2x6s. I filled it with concrete mix, I don’t recall how much but like 6-8 of the 60 pound bags is what I recall plus bags of stone. It took a lot!
What this does is it gets your safe up off the slab Incase you get water in the basement or garage. It won’t help if you get more than say 6 inches BUT it isn’t hard or expensive. A thief then has perhaps a little easier time than if it was bolted to the floor but say a 800 pound safe plus 600 pound base with what’s in the safe they are going to be busy! And bolt through the back to add to their frustration. Enjoy and fill er up! |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 2:44:52 PM EDT
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Any possibility to change out the e-lock for a dial?
I had an e-lock fail a few years back. I was lucky it failed open. I swapped out the lock to a dial myself. As long as the mech inside is right behind the keypad, it should be able to convert. The e-locks are WAY to common now. A good old fashioned dial is EMP proof and no batteries to worry about. |
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Posted: 5/15/2018 3:00:05 PM EDT
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I would say at a minimum a liberty safe (what I just bought) for me the minimums were 11 gauge steel and 4 way bolt work with good capacity. This is going to defeat most thieves that I will encounter. With enough time it'll be beat. A true professional thief with the skills and know how probably isn't coming after me...probably.
You have to weigh what you're protecting against the likelihood of someone with the skills who can defeat it. Bolt to the floor, have a security system. Layers of security are key. A lot of folks on here will lead you to believe you need dogs, the best alarm money can buy, a TL rated bank safe that weighs 4,000 pounds and a personal security team. Take arfcom with a grain or salt and be realistic about your expectations. I'd say go a step above what you can get at a big box store. |
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Posted: 5/17/2018 11:25:11 AM EDT
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What options out there exist for a dial lock "~64" (realistically 20 long guns) gun safe for less than $1000? I really just want something that will serve as a deterrent to prevent smash and grabs and to act as an additional layer of security. I already have insurance to cover all of my firearms, reinforced doors and entrances, cameras, and a monitored security system to help deter shitheads.
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Posted: 5/24/2018 11:44:19 AM EDT
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Maybe call a security company to do a stealth delivery. They can't steal what they don't know about.
Just don't hire parolees to do it. 
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