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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:23:15 PM EDT
I was never happy with any of the forend solutions for the AUG, they all either were too heavy or has some other feature about them that made them just not work to my liking, and I haven't seen any solutions for the A3 M1 receiver, which seems to be the most common type these days.
I decided to solved that problem, and came up with the AUG Cantilever Forend. A top rail provides support for the M-LOK forend, and the forend portion is easily removed for cleaning and access (the forend slides on rails and the four screws just keep it in place, you can keep the allen wrench in your stock storage space). Due to the front QD lug on the A3 M1 receiver I put a side rail on that gives additional reinforcement (it actually should be fine without it, but wanted to make sure the top rail stayed rigid) and a good place to mount a light or laser. My main complaint of previous solutions was weight, and I was able to get the whole system down to only 12.3 ounces. It is already up on the Manticore webstore and in stock.  Sven Manticore Arms    
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:27:35 PM EDT
[#1]
That’s pretty sweet, may have to purchase.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:30:37 PM EDT
[#2]
Nice. I just splurged on a handful of AR parts, so I'll definitely keep this in mind. Is there any chance of a longer handguard? I have an 18" barrel on my AUG, and would definitely like a bit more space to work with.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:33:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice. I just splurged on a handful of AR parts, so I'll definitely keep this in mind. Is there any chance of a longer handguard? I have an 18" barrel on my AUG, and would definitely like a bit more space to work with. For now we are just doing this one length of forend as 16" barrels are most common, and it will work with longer barrels. If it turns out to be a runaway hit, longer forends are theoretically possible. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:33:25 PM EDT
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BRAVO!!!
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:34:44 PM EDT
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Could actually be even lighter too - hog out the center of the slots? Skeletonize non load bearing sections?
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:47:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could actually be even lighter too - hog out the center of the slots? Skeletonize non load bearing sections? It is already hollowed out on the underside, and I don't cut out the center of picatinny rails as then all the guys using Larue mounts (among other mounts that use a center lug) get unhappy. Dont forget you are ditching the weight of your existing top rail, so net gain is minimal. Sven Manticore Arms. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:49:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For now we are just doing this one length of forend as 16" barrels are most common, and it will work with longer barrels. If it turns out to be a runaway hit, longer forends are theoretically possible. No worries, Sven. I know the 16" are more common. Always glad to see you bringing more stuff to market for the AUG. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 1:57:03 PM EDT
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Ooooh! I like this! Well done sir.
@Manticore_Arms How much higher is the top rail over the OEM one? Does the OEM VFG still fold? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:04:25 PM EDT
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That’s a very ingenious and aesthetic design that solves the main downside to the M1 compared to the original A3.
I like it. I’m moving, yet again, but will have to buy one of these once I get situated. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:50:06 PM EDT
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Outstanding!
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:52:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s a very ingenious and aesthetic design that solves the main downside to the M1 compared to the original A3. I like it. I’m moving, yet again, but will have to buy one of these once I get situated. Moving again? Dang! PM me when you land at your new home.  Sven |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:56:42 PM EDT
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Is there an option for those of us that have the manticore arms 30mm optics mount? i dont want to give that up in order to get muh mloks.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 2:59:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there an option for those of us that have the manticore arms 30mm optics mount? i dont want to give that up in order to get muh mloks. That'd be a sweet option. Probably even more niche, but man, I'd love that kind of setup. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 4:35:40 PM EDT
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Looks great! Would it work on a USR / A2 Special receiver?
thx |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 4:38:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks great! Would it work on a USR / A2 Special receiver? thx It's only for the A3 M1 receiver, it's not compatible with USR/A2 |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 5:51:16 PM EDT
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That’s brilliant congratulations.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 5:53:32 PM EDT
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We need another aftermarket suppressor gas plug option!
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Posted: 2/23/2022 6:55:19 PM EDT
[#18]
Really great design. A few questions:
Would it be possible to put lightening/cooling cuts in the part just forward of the trigger? Something matching the cuts in the receiver. Is the grip still able to fold up? Have you considered carbon fiber for the foregrip portion? |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 8:45:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We need another aftermarket suppressor gas plug option! This. A mag release would be nice too. |
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Posted: 2/23/2022 10:54:14 PM EDT
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That looks awesome. Would be awesome if there was a bipod with legs that mounted on either side of the fore end. I think tango down used to sell a bipod like that but I'm pretty sure it's discontinued.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:29:20 PM EDT
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Nice, it's a modern CQB.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:54:20 PM EDT
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With so many civilian AUG rifles lacking the "bump" on the stock since the earliest Sabre Defense AUG A3, to Vltor/FN AUG A3, to current AUG A3M1, is there a plan to do the pictured variant?
I understand having a rail design like the one shown in OP will accommodate all stocks, with or without the "bump". I am just curious to know if there will be another version like the one shown below.  |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 9:37:07 AM EDT
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Is it just me or does the top rail look taller than OEM?
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Posted: 2/24/2022 9:37:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With so many civilian AUG rifles lacking the "bump" on the stock since the earliest Sabre Defense AUG A3, to Vltor/FN AUG A3, to current AUG A3M1, is there a plan to do the pictured variant? I understand having a rail design like the one shown in OP will accommodate all stocks, with or without the "bump". I am just curious to know if there will be another version like the one shown below. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51900697553_7745fedc2f_o.jpg Even if a 'plug' could be installed to fill in that space. |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 11:40:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really great design. A few questions: @mcantu Would it be possible to put lightening/cooling cuts in the part just forward of the trigger? Something matching the cuts in the receiver. Is the grip still able to fold up? Have you considered carbon fiber for the foregrip portion? 1. We cannot cut through that area as the receiver mounting screws and side rail mounting screws are in that area. 2. The grip can fold up about 2/3 the way when the forend option is installed, enough to give plenty of room to store it in a carry case. The grip is not going to be able to fully fold with any forend installed as it nests up tight against the underside of the barrel when fully folded, leaving no room for a forend. 3. Carbon fiber is not an option for both technical and cost reasons, and would save little to no weight. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 11:47:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With so many civilian AUG rifles lacking the "bump" on the stock since the earliest Sabre Defense AUG A3, to Vltor/FN AUG A3, to current AUG A3M1, is there a plan to do the pictured variant? I understand having a rail design like the one shown in OP will accommodate all stocks, with or without the "bump". I am just curious to know if there will be another version like the one shown below. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51900697553_7745fedc2f_o.jpg @kiddsf The rail configuration we offer works with all types of stocks, the AUG market is already really, really small and making something that works on even less guns/stocks is just not an option, sorry. This rail configuration also was design to allow for additional possible expansion of options on this product that is not obvious at the moment. If you look at the Steyr OEM "High Long Rail" that most AUGs come equipped with, they do the same overhang at the stock, we just made ours longer to the rear for more picatinny and optics mounting options. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 11:51:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. A mag release would be nice too. @ShadowAngel Very soon. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 11:55:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ooooh! I like this! Well done sir. @Manticore_Arms How much higher is the top rail over the OEM one? Does the OEM VFG still fold? @dmk0210 This rail is the same height as the Steyr OEM "High Long Rail" i..e 1" high from bottom edge that mounts on the receiver to top of picatinny. If your gun came with the High Long Rail it is an exact match in height and you won't see any change at all for your optics. We actually emulated the way the rear of High Long Rail overhangs the stock.  Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 12:00:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That'd be a sweet option. Probably even more niche, but man, I'd love that kind of setup. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is there an option for those of us that have the manticore arms 30mm optics mount? i dont want to give that up in order to get muh mloks. That'd be a sweet option. Probably even more niche, but man, I'd love that kind of setup. @WriterClarke @giantpune OK, I won't lie, my wife said "isn't this new rail going to mean guys with Talon Mounts can't use it" and even though it would almost certainly be a money loser I had considered doing a hybrid Talon/Cantilever design and knocking a few out just for the ridiculous and cool factor. If we have some spare cash laying around at some point maybe I will make up a few of them just for the fun of it, I want one too.  Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 12:09:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @WriterClarke @giantpune OK, I won't lie, my wife said "isn't this new rail going to mean guys with Talon Mounts can't use it" and even though it would almost certainly be a money loser I had considered doing a hybrid Talon/Cantilever design and knocking a few out just for the ridiculous and cool factor. If we have some spare cash laying around at some point maybe I will make up a few of them just for the fun of it, I want one too. Sven Manticore Arms When you do come out with those, sign me up. I'm not an economist or anything, but I bet the more of them you make and sell, the cheaper it becomes for you to get one for yourself. Help me help you.
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Posted: 2/24/2022 12:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @WriterClarke @giantpune OK, I won't lie, my wife said "isn't this new rail going to mean guys with Talon Mounts can't use it" and even though it would almost certainly be a money loser I had considered doing a hybrid Talon/Cantilever design and knocking a few out just for the ridiculous and cool factor. If we have some spare cash laying around at some point maybe I will make up a few of them just for the fun of it, I want one too. Sven Manticore Arms I'd definitely be in on one. Always liked the Talon mounts, but I didn't ever imagine there'd be a chance of a Talon/Cantilever design, so I sold mine and just accepted that I'd have to switch to a rail instead and eventually get a handguard setup. Hell, when the Bullpup Forum was still around, I was trying to get the ARID guys to do something similar when we were brainstorming their rail design. |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 12:53:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is already hollowed out on the underside, and I don't cut out the center of picatinny rails as then all the guys using Larue mounts (among other mounts that use a center lug) get unhappy. Dont forget you are ditching the weight of your existing top rail, so net gain is minimal. Sven Manticore Arms. Can you post some pics of the underside? |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 12:56:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This rail is the same height as the Steyr OEM "High Long Rail" i..e 1" high from bottom edge that mounts on the receiver to top of picatinny. If your gun came with the High Long Rail it is an exact match in height and you won't see any change at all for your optics. We actually emulated the way the rear of High Long Rail overhangs the stock. I'm not sure which rail I have. This is a brand new A3 M1 that I bought last week. The rail looks the same length as yours, but is only 3/4" high. I could make the 1/4" extra height work. I was just wondering if I was seeing things.  |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 12:59:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you post some pics of the underside?  |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 1:03:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks Sven. I'm not sure which rail I have. This is a brand new A3 M1 that I bought last week. The rail looks the same length as yours, but is only 3/4" high. I could make the 1/4" extra height work. I was just wondering if I was seeing things. https://i.imgur.com/cJ2zikJ.jpeg Interesting, that appears to be a brand new Low/Long design rail. I don't think Steyr even has that in the official pictures on the Steyr Arms webstore yet. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 2:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, that appears to be a brand new Low/Long design rail. I don't think Steyr even has that in the official pictures on the Steyr Arms webstore yet. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 2:16:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2022 2:45:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are detail pics on the website: https://manticorearms.com/product/aug-cantilever-forend/ https://i0.wp.com/manticorearms.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/aug-cantilever-3-edit.jpg?fit=720%2C489&ssl=1 |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 3:16:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thx, but I meant of the underside while it is uninstalled Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are detail pics on the website: https://manticorearms.com/product/aug-cantilever-forend/ https://i0.wp.com/manticorearms.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/aug-cantilever-3-edit.jpg?fit=720%2C489&ssl=1 What are you trying to see? All that is on the underside of the top rail is screw holes and two lightening pockets. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 3:32:29 PM EDT
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Great design!
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Posted: 2/24/2022 3:59:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you trying to see? All that is on the underside of the top rail is screw holes and two lightening pockets. Sven Manticore Arms  |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 4:03:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what I was trying to see. I wanted to see how the underside looks compared to this Corvus rail on Steyr's site https://www.steyr-arms.com/us/media/catalog/product/cache/70f4b8acc8ad3d50208d66f0c198e3c2/s/c/screen_shot_2018-03-20_at_12.04.36_pm.png That's the rail I have now. I need one of these new manticore rails to replace it! |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 5:34:36 PM EDT
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Well Sven, if you do decide to bring the Talon/Handguard to market, I'm gonna keep some money to the side for one. Just means I gotta find a LPVO I like I suppose.
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Posted: 2/24/2022 8:29:58 PM EDT
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Damn you!
I hate you. I love you. This appears to address most of the concerns about the limitations of the A3 m1 receiver and rail options. tsh77769 |
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Posted: 2/24/2022 8:47:21 PM EDT
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Minor correction:
The low extended rail for the M1 isn't new. It's been a thing for several years, and almost every AUG I've seen come through has it installed. The last 3 I've purchased since 2017 have had it installed. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 12:52:33 AM EDT
[#46]
Looks awesome. If I wasn't using the 3x AUG scope I would absolutely get this. Though I'd like to get another AUG at some point in the future...
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Posted: 2/25/2022 1:35:10 AM EDT
[#47]
Looks like a good upgrade for the AUG. I'll give it a shot.
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Posted: 2/25/2022 2:18:45 AM EDT
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This makes me SIGNIFICANTLY more interested in buying an AUG.
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Posted: 2/25/2022 2:40:25 AM EDT
[#49]
Very nice. Looks like a nice design. Similar look to the Midwest Industries AUG rail I have, but longer. That's my two peeves with the MI rail. It comes up quite short of the ejection port (unused space) and then it has the "fin" for the rail.
If this had the full length OEM or whatever look like the mockup done but kiddsf had, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. But because of the fin. I will probably pass. |
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Posted: 2/25/2022 12:31:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what I was trying to see. I wanted to see how the underside looks compared to this Corvus rail on Steyr's site https://www.steyr-arms.com/us/media/catalog/product/cache/70f4b8acc8ad3d50208d66f0c198e3c2/s/c/screen_shot_2018-03-20_at_12.04.36_pm.png @mcantu The rail is hollowed out and lightened as much as possible on the underside. Trust me, I worked very hard to make it as light as possible. Sven Manticore Arms 
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