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Posted: 9/12/2009 4:42:28 PM EDT
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IMR-4350, one of the classics for 30-06.
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Posted: 9/12/2009 5:14:56 PM EDT
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IMR 4350 is just about perfect for this unless you're wanting to use a powder measure.
If you're throwing charges, check out IMR 4320 or IMR4007SSC. |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 6:34:26 PM EDT
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RL-19 or H-4831SC
ETA: I LOVE either IMR-4350 or H-4350 in my .30-06....w/ 165gr bullets. |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 6:49:08 PM EDT
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I agree with those who say IMR 4350. I've cronographed many different powders and found IMR 4350 to be outstanding in my 30-06's for both velocity and low MOA performance.
As far as H-4831 is concerned the results I've gotten are terible, very low velocity regardless of what my loading manuals say to the contrary. Maybe others got different results, this is just my experience. However I do use H4831 in magnum cartridges such as the 7mm Rem. Mag. and a .300 Win mag very successfully. I think it needs the higher preasure for a good burn. Just my .02. |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 7:49:54 PM EDT
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Bolt Gun 4350
Gas Gun 4064 |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 8:03:10 PM EDT
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Bolt Gun 4350 Gas Gun 4064 Exactly |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 8:29:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: +1IMR-4350, one of the classics for 30-06. |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 9:02:53 PM EDT
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I voted for RL-19 and it is a great powder for '06. However, your poll is skewed because you left out the best IMR powder for '06 - IMR4350.
4831 is too slow. A full case compressed load is still not quite a max load and probably will not match the velocity of a max 4350 or RL-19 load. 4895 and 4064 are both the same burning speed and both too fast for optimum performance in the '06. You will not be able to safely reach the velocities you can get with 4350 or RL-19 I really like 4350 in 180 gr '06 loads and usually get great accuracy. However, I think RL-19 is slightly finer grained and therefore meters a bit better. All of my comments assume that you are using a sporting rifle and NOT an M1 Garand. The M1 was designed "back in the day" when the miltiary was loading the M1 cartridge - 173 gr bullet over a charge of IMR4895. IMR4350, RL-19, and 4831 will give too high port pressure and sooner or later you'll end up with a bent op rod or worse. For a Garand either 4895 or 4064 will work great. |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 9:04:17 PM EDT
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IMR4350 would be my choice for that load, and is every time.
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Posted: 9/12/2009 9:59:33 PM EDT
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I have had good luck with IMR4350 and obviously I'm not alone in that. However the downside is that IMR4350 is still relatively sensitive to temperature changes - when chronographing handloads using IMR4350 in temperatures ranging from 100 degrees F. down to 0, and quite often they'll fall 100 fps or even more. Sometimes this doesn't matter much, but sometimes it does.
In addition to the temperature sensitivity issue, IMR4350 meters rather poorly with its long grains. However both problems were pretty much taken care of by the introduction of Hodgdon's H4350 "Short Cut". This 4350 both meters pretty well and is relatively temperature-insensitive, especially to cold. Actually, the term should probably be "temperature-resistant," since people in the know say they haven't tested a powder yet that doesn't gain velocity (due to higher pressure) at temperatures above 70 F. Noted gunwriter John Barsness (Handloader, Rifle, Guns) has this to say which is of interest to us general handloaders - probably because we tend to find a powder that works in our one or maybe two .30-06 rifles and stick with that - as opposed to people like John that get paid to not only experiment with new powders, but have several .30-06 hunting rifles to try the load out in and is a major .30-06 fan: ...if you have been loading your .30-06 with IMR4350 and any bullet weight from 150 to 220 grains for many years, then you might as well go ahead and keep using the same load. That powder still works for anything worth doing...
For decades I bounced back and forth between IMR4350, Hodgdon H4831 and Alliant Reloder 19 when loading 180's in the .30-06. All worked pretty well, but none stood out so much across several rifles that I could pick one load and stick to it. Then, a few years ago, I tried Ramshot's new Hunter powder with 180's. The first experiments took place in my old NULA with Barnes then-new Triple Shock X-Bullets. Eventually I worked up to 58.0 grains. Accuracy was very fine and muzzle velocity was right around 2800 ft/sec. I have since tried this load with different 180's in several .30-06's, including my Sauer drilling. Accuracy has been universally very good, and in 24" barrels velocity around 2800 or even higher. Ramshot's own data goes up to 60 grains (with Hornady BTSP Interlocks) but I have never found any reason to go beyond 58.0 grains. The load has worked not only in the NULA and Sauer but in the .30-06 barrel for my T/C Encore and a fine pre-'64 Model 70 Winchester. In the Model 70 (with no changes other than adjusting the trigger and making sure all the screws were tight, including the forend screw) the load grouped around .5" with Sierra GameKings and .8" with Nosler Partitions at 100 yards. In fact, when I went to New Zealand in early 2007 to test Berger VLD's on wild goats and big red stags, I immediately loaded up 58.0 grains of Hunter behind some 185 VLD's, and got 100-yard groups of .4" at 100 yards, with a muzzle velocity of 2862 ft/sec. Combined with the very high ballistic coefficient of the VLD's, this made shooting at long range very easy in the New Zealand mountains. So now I do have a 180-grain .30-06 load that works in several rifles. Sounds good! I'm interested. Especially as it is a ball powder that meters well and is one of the "temperature insensitive" powders as well. |
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Posted: 9/12/2009 10:05:35 PM EDT
[#11]
Error - delete
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Posted: 9/13/2009 3:39:15 AM EDT
[#12]
Heck you didn't list the obvious choice, IMR-4350.
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Posted: 9/13/2009 3:04:38 PM EDT
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Heck you didn't list the obvious choice, IMR-4350. The reason for that, is those are the powders I have on hand. I dont have any 4350... which looks like a bad thing for me, everyone seems to suggest it. 
I *do* have RL-19 on hand, and I'll probably start with that. I have about 3 weeks to work up some loads for the upcoming elk hunt, and I wanted to stick with what I have on hand. The rifle is a Savage 110, not a Garand, so burn rate is not an issue. I'll be using 180gr Nosler Accubonds. The note about Ramshot Hunter makes me curious though... I may have to look into that. If I could crank out good, accurate 06 on my Dillon, I'd be 
Thanks everyone for your time and votes! |
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Posted: 9/13/2009 4:36:06 PM EDT
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Actually, even though I voted for Reloader 19, I would prefer to use H4350.
It works better in varying temperatures. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 12:58:46 PM EDT
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Anyone have experience with IMR4064? Right now, I have only IMR4064 and IMR3031, and want to make myself some hunting loads for my Remington 700BDL .30-06. I have some Nosler 165gr partition bullets as well as my fired casings and the primers, so I'm ready to go. Powder is still hard to come by here but getting better. The books I have list numerous options, but one of the favorite combos for the 165gr bullet is IMR4064, up to 52.0 grains.
Anyway, I picked up a die set for it today and will make some rounds with varying amounts of powder to see if there is a big difference. I don't have a chrono, but hopefully I'll see if one load is noticeably more accurate. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 1:01:17 PM EDT
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+1 for 4350
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Posted: 9/15/2009 1:10:51 PM EDT
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I use IMR-4895 with good results.
Edit: The only downside is the need to weigh/trickle each charge. 
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Posted: 9/15/2009 3:13:08 PM EDT
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hello;
taken many deer using this load. will not meet your speed requirements, but it works. using a ball powder makes dropping powder very fast and consistent. recoil is not bad. rifles are a ruger mk11 and a remington bdl, both with 22" barrels. load; 180 speer spitz, 51.5 grains of ww760 (h414), fed. or win. magnum primer (must use magnum primer), speed 2580. oal = 3.25". very accurate. rp |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 3:26:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Anyone have experience with IMR4064? Right now, I have only IMR4064 and IMR3031, and want to make myself some hunting loads for my Remington 700BDL .30-06. I have some Nosler 165gr partition bullets as well as my fired casings and the primers, so I'm ready to go. Powder is still hard to come by here but getting better. The books I have list numerous options, but one of the favorite combos for the 165gr bullet is IMR4064, up to 52.0 grains. Anyway, I picked up a die set for it today and will make some rounds with varying amounts of powder to see if there is a big difference. I don't have a chrono, but hopefully I'll see if one load is noticeably more accurate. Given a choice between those two powders and that application, IMR-4064 is clearly the better choice. I would spend my time looking for the charge weight of IMR 4064 that gave the best accuracy, and leave the IMR-3031 on the shelf. IMR-3031 is too fast for this application, so the load density will be low, which does not lead to best accuracy. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 8:35:08 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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Anyone have experience with IMR4064? Right now, I have only IMR4064 and IMR3031, and want to make myself some hunting loads for my Remington 700BDL .30-06. I have some Nosler 165gr partition bullets as well as my fired casings and the primers, so I'm ready to go. Powder is still hard to come by here but getting better. The books I have list numerous options, but one of the favorite combos for the 165gr bullet is IMR4064, up to 52.0 grains. Anyway, I picked up a die set for it today and will make some rounds with varying amounts of powder to see if there is a big difference. I don't have a chrono, but hopefully I'll see if one load is noticeably more accurate. Given a choice between those two powders and that application, IMR-4064 is clearly the better choice. I would spend my time looking for the charge weight of IMR 4064 that gave the best accuracy, and leave the IMR-3031 on the shelf. IMR-3031 is too fast for this application, so the load density will be low, which does not lead to best accuracy. Good thing.... I loaded up 10 rounds today w/ Nosler 165gr partition bullets. Two rounds each w/ 52gr, 51gr, 50gr, 49gr and 48gr of IMR-4064. The Lyman reloading manual listed this powder in bold for the 165gr ballistic tip jacketed bullet...and I think the bold typeface is for "preferred" recipe. I'll be at the range Monday to try them out. |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 9:02:16 PM EDT
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IMR 4350 of course.
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