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Posted: 2/24/2023 6:40:04 PM EDT
First batch will be heading to nitride at the beginning of the week.
Compatible with Q Plan B type mounting systems. Available in 1/2x28, 5/8x24, 11/16x24, M14x1LH, and M13.5x1LH External wrench flats so it doesn't get stuck in your silencer. Product page here  We are also working on several support parts for these as well. Blast deflector should be available in a few weeks followed by adapter hubs. Complete silencers should be coming by the end of the year! |
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Posted: 2/24/2023 7:21:30 PM EDT
[#1]
Double tap
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Posted: 2/24/2023 7:22:02 PM EDT
[#2]
Noice.
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Posted: 2/24/2023 7:39:54 PM EDT
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Does the M14x1LH one index off of the muzzle?
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Posted: 2/24/2023 7:56:29 PM EDT
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Just to clarify, not officially licensed?
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Posted: 2/24/2023 10:00:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just to clarify, not officially licensed? Negative, I've contacted Q several times regarding this and no response. I assume there is nothing to officially license. We were working on a licensing agreement with another company but getting "design approval" was a PITA so we went with the Q system. It's simple, solid, and the silencer industry needs better standardization of a QD type mounting system. This will require an open source design that other companies that actually produce parts can use because most larger silencer companies don't machine any of their parts so availability sucks and options are limited. |
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Posted: 2/24/2023 10:08:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the M14x1LH one index off of the muzzle? We considered indexing off of the muzzle but decided to advise to remove the front sight detent and index off of the front sight. These do have a shoulder inside so they could be indexed off of the muzzle. If your setup needs indexed off the muzzle then just add a note on the order and we can include a 0.150" spacer that goes between the shoulder and the muzzle. |
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Posted: 2/24/2023 10:35:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Negative, I've contacted Q several times regarding this and no response. I assume there is nothing to officially license. We were working on a licensing agreement with another company but getting "design approval" was a PITA so we went with the Q system. It's simple, solid, and the silencer industry needs better standardization of a QD type mounting system. This will require an open source design that other companies that actually produce parts can use because most larger silencer companies don't machine any of their parts so availability sucks and options are limited. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just to clarify, not officially licensed? Negative, I've contacted Q several times regarding this and no response. I assume there is nothing to officially license. We were working on a licensing agreement with another company but getting "design approval" was a PITA so we went with the Q system. It's simple, solid, and the silencer industry needs better standardization of a QD type mounting system. This will require an open source design that other companies that actually produce parts can use because most larger silencer companies don't machine any of their parts so availability sucks and options are limited. Nice To be fair, Q has needed a FH option forever. They finally release one but one design is stupid. Open and closed time should be two standard options |
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Posted: 2/24/2023 10:44:37 PM EDT
[#8]
@Wolfpackarmory
@Machine_gunner22 Is there enough material at the back for the Q/Sig taper to be cut in? |
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Posted: 2/25/2023 1:25:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We considered indexing off of the muzzle but decided to advise to remove the front sight detent and index off of the front sight. These do have a shoulder inside so they could be indexed off of the muzzle. If your setup needs indexed off the muzzle then just add a note on the order and we can include a 0.150" spacer that goes between the shoulder and the muzzle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does the M14x1LH one index off of the muzzle? We considered indexing off of the muzzle but decided to advise to remove the front sight detent and index off of the front sight. These do have a shoulder inside so they could be indexed off of the muzzle. If your setup needs indexed off the muzzle then just add a note on the order and we can include a 0.150" spacer that goes between the shoulder and the muzzle. Thank you! |
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Posted: 2/25/2023 8:32:58 AM EDT
[#10]
These work with rearden atlas right? It's all plan b?
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Posted: 2/25/2023 12:02:36 PM EDT
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Nice. Now make your own mount with a left-hand thread and LH on the muzzle devices and call it Plan X, lol.
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Posted: 2/25/2023 12:35:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice. Now make your own mount with a left-hand thread and LH on the muzzle devices and call it Plan X, lol. That's gold, Jerry! Gold! |
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Posted: 2/25/2023 4:15:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We considered indexing off of the muzzle but decided to advise to remove the front sight detent and index off of the front sight. These do have a shoulder inside so they could be indexed off of the muzzle. If your setup needs indexed off the muzzle then just add a note on the order and we can include a 0.150" spacer that goes between the shoulder and the muzzle. Sorry I'm simple, but if you're using the spacer in between the shoulder and MD to attempt to facemount the muzzle device wouldn't that just be mounting off the shoulder/front sight post which defeats the whole purpose? I thought face mounting was intentionally designed to not come in contact with the shoulder/front sight as that is what will cause misalignment in the AK platform? https://youtu.be/fxkSwALglyE <- explanation of jmac face mount devices for folks who think I'm speaking crazy talk. I would love to buy your devices for all my AKs if they could be successfully face mounted but maybe I'm just misunderstanding or reading it wrong. |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 11:08:15 AM EDT
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Yes, there is enough threads. We plan to offer that as an option as soon as I program it out.
Quoted: @Wolfpackarmory @Machine_gunner22 Is there enough material at the back for the Q/Sig taper to be cut in? |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 11:08:50 AM EDT
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That is correct, all plan b type mounts
Quoted: These work with rearden atlas right? It's all plan b? |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 11:16:43 AM EDT
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The spacer would go inside the flash hider between the muzzle end of the barrel and the shoulder at the end of the threads inside the flash hider.
It would work by tightening up on the muzzle before the wrench flats would contact the front sight. This would also be necessary for barrels without a shoulder or front sight. Quoted: Sorry I'm simple, but if you're using the spacer in between the shoulder and MD to attempt to facemount the muzzle device wouldn't that just be mounting off the shoulder/front sight post which defeats the whole purpose? I thought face mounting was intentionally designed to not come in contact with the shoulder/front sight as that is what will cause misalignment in the AK platform? https://youtu.be/fxkSwALglyE <- explanation of jmac face mount devices for folks who think I'm speaking crazy talk. I would love to buy your devices for all my AKs if they could be successfully face mounted but maybe I'm just misunderstanding or reading it wrong. |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 11:30:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The spacer would go inside the flash hider between the muzzle end of the barrel and the shoulder at the end of the threads inside the flash hider. It would work by tightening up on the muzzle before the wrench flats would contact the front sight. This would also be necessary for barrels without a shoulder or front sight. Ok thank you explaining it in five year old terms! I'm def buying a few for my AKs. |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 11:36:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, there is enough threads. We plan to offer that as an option as soon as I program it out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, there is enough threads. We plan to offer that as an option as soon as I program it out. Quoted: @Wolfpackarmory @Machine_gunner22 Is there enough material at the back for the Q/Sig taper to be cut in? That is fantastic!! I'll be in for at least four of them |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 12:57:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is fantastic!! I'll be in for at least four of them Good deal, do you want them nitrided? If so, I can knock out a few tomorrow before they go to nitride. |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 2:25:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good deal, do you want them nitrided? If so, I can knock out a few tomorrow before they go to nitride. Sig taper AND nitrided?? Heck yes!! |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 7:51:17 PM EDT
[#21]
Those look really clean. Price is right too. I’ll be in for a couple.
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Posted: 2/27/2023 4:46:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is fantastic!! I'll be in for at least four of them I got a few of these machined and will be heading out to nitride. Just make a note on your order that you want the tapered ones. I have not added that as a product option yet. |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 4:53:31 PM EDT
[#23]
Very nice, options are always good and the price seems right!
I would love to see a short linear comp mount for the Plan B... |
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Posted: 2/27/2023 5:54:37 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I got a few of these machined and will be heading out to nitride. Just make a note on your order that you want the tapered ones. I have not added that as a product option yet. I have my order in for two 1/2x28 and two 5/8x24 with the note you requested! Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 6:09:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have my order in for two 1/2x28 and two 5/8x24 with the note you requested! Thanks! Awesome, appreciate it! They are on the way to nitride now so they should be back hopefully by the end of next week. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 10:20:38 PM EDT
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I don't use plan b mounts but those are a thing of beauty!
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Posted: 3/7/2023 11:37:23 AM EDT
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Well I ordered one. Look forward to trying it out.
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Posted: 3/7/2023 1:21:41 PM EDT
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The product page for the Night Howler does not list the respective bore sizes
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Posted: 3/9/2023 2:34:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The product page for the Night Howler does not list the respective bore sizes The bore on all of these is 0.45" at the smallest diameter. We can bore that larger if needed but I will get that added to the description. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 3:07:34 PM EDT
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Any plans to make an Xeno-compatible muzzle devices? I'd love more Xeno brake options.
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Posted: 3/9/2023 6:20:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any plans to make an Xeno-compatible muzzle devices? I'd love more Xeno brake options. Like I said, the world needs a Plan-X, lol. |
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Posted: 3/9/2023 7:45:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: The bore on all of these is 0.45" at the smallest diameter. We can bore that larger if needed but I will get that added to the description. So .458 Socom/45-70 would require a bit larger bore ? |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:17:51 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So .458 Socom/45-70 would require a bit larger bore ? Yes, it would be safe at 0.5". If you select the 11/16x24 thread pitch then we assume .45 cal and will bore it oversized. |
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Posted: 3/10/2023 1:19:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any plans to make an Xeno-compatible muzzle devices? I'd love more Xeno brake options. Possibly, it just depends on how willing Dead Air is to work with us. So far it hasn't gone too smooth. |
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Posted: 3/12/2023 2:19:01 PM EDT
[#35]
That's cool!
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Posted: 3/24/2023 8:03:24 PM EDT
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Just wanted to respond I got my muzzle devices and they look great! Unfortunately even with the provide spacer they would still reach the FSB before bottoming out when trying to facemount. I think the spacers probably need to be doubled in length as it didn't work on my vepr, saiga, or wasr
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Posted: 3/28/2023 5:06:40 PM EDT
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So to follow-up to my last post.
The measurements from my Draco is 15mm, Factory WASR (not parts kit) 14mm , slant back VEPR 15mm. I measured the spacer at 5mm, I attempted to measure the internal threading of the muzzle device and think I came to 20mm. If that is correct then it has 15mm of threading which explains why the devices are hitting the FSP. I'm not an engineer by any means (computer science major) but possibly a 7-8mm spacer could work and be universal? I'm unsure of PSA barrel thread length but that would have to be taken into account as well since they move allot of volume. Could anyone with a PSA rifle measure the length of their threading? Please see my pictures here where I did the measurements with my calipers. https://imgur.com/a/KELYhLp Please note I have a North Carolina education so if I messed up please go easy. |
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Posted: 3/28/2023 9:56:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So to follow-up to my last post. The measurements from my Draco is 15mm, Factory WASR (not parts kit) 14mm , slant back VEPR 15mm. I measured the spacer at 5mm, I attempted to measure the internal threading of the muzzle device and think I came to 20mm. If that is correct then it has 15mm of threading which explains why the devices are hitting the FSP. I'm not an engineer by any means (computer science major) but possibly a 7-8mm spacer could work and be universal? I'm unsure of PSA barrel thread length but that would have to be taken into account as well since they move allot of volume. Could anyone with a PSA rifle measure the length of their threading? Please see my pictures here where I did the measurements with my calipers. https://imgur.com/a/KELYhLp Please note I have a North Carolina education so if I messed up please go easy. Is that an external or internal spacer? Using an external spacer means the muzzle device indexes (remotely) on the surface of the front sight post assembly which very likely is not at a perfect 90 degrees to the barrel bore. So a bigger spacer can thread up correctly but the muzzle device may not be coaxial to the barrel bore. So you will want to check bore alignment by eye by bore sighting, or use a gauge rod in the bore. If the muzzle device has an inside step then an internal spacer there might index more concentric off the barrel muzzle. Probably a custom length inside spacer is the best approach. Short, large bore cans can mate to AKs ok. Longer, skinnier bore cans are less tolerant of off axis mounting. ETA: just read back through entire thread. Sounds like you just need a longer internal spacer. Caveats on suppressing AKs still apply. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 7:04:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ETA: just read back through entire thread. Sounds like you just need a longer internal spacer. Caveats on suppressing AKs still apply. Yes this is the main point. I've sent all the measurements to wolf pack so maybe they can adjust the size spacers they include for face mounting on AKs. Was just posting here for everyone's awareness and general information when it comes to face mounting. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 10:54:50 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wanted to respond I got my muzzle devices and they look great! Unfortunately even with the provide spacer they would still reach the FSB before bottoming out when trying to facemount. I think the spacers probably need to be doubled in length as it didn't work on my vepr, saiga, or wasr So I guess that all depends on where the manufacturer puts the front sight. On all of our AK builds, we use the standard of 0.625" of threads beyond the front sight. If they used less than that then the spacers will not work. I will get you some longer ones sent out. Did you happen to try both spacers and see how far the flash hider sits from the front sight when tightened? That may give me an idea of how much longer the spacers need to be on your setup. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 10:54:45 PM EDT
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Dead Air lets companies like Blackout Defense and Forward Controls make badass muzzle devices that the people want.
I’m a Q fan but Kevin needs to get with the program. I’m a Cherry Bomb user but I would love to see other options, like this. Has anyone bothered to look up to see if there is a patent filed on the Q taper mounts. Not even sure if that could be protected unless it was an exact copy of the CB or that ugly ass flash hider. |
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Posted: 4/3/2023 11:12:10 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead Air lets companies like Blackout Defense and Forward Controls make badass muzzle devices that the people want. Kevin needs to get with the program. I would love to see other options, like this. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 11:35:27 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead Air lets companies like Blackout Defense and Forward Controls make badass muzzle devices that the people want. I’m a Q fan but Kevin needs to get with the program. I’m a Cherry Bomb user but I would love to see other options, like this. Has anyone bothered to look up to see if there is a patent filed on the Q taper mounts. Not even sure if that could be protected unless it was an exact copy of the CB or that ugly ass flash hider. There is no patent, and there are quite a few companies just making them anyway. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 11:48:07 AM EDT
[#44]
Open sources wins the race…
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Posted: 4/4/2023 1:32:46 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no patent, and there are quite a few companies just making them anyway. Who else makes a Q Taper mount pattern muzzle device? ETA - clarifying that what I’m looking for is muzzle devices that accept 25 degree taper on barrel. My biggest hope for the rifle industry is that they catch on and realize that 25 degree is the way of the future. Quit jacking with 90 degree shoulders. Want to still use 90 degree muzzle devices? No problem, a $20 adapter is available to compensate for tapered barrels. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 4:50:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who else makes a Q Taper mount pattern muzzle device? ETA - clarifying that what I’m looking for is muzzle devices that accept 25 degree taper on barrel. My biggest hope for the rifle industry is that they catch on and realize that 25 degree is the way of the future. Quit jacking with 90 degree shoulders. Want to still use 90 degree muzzle devices? No problem, a $20 adapter is available to compensate for tapered barrels. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is no patent, and there are quite a few companies just making them anyway. Who else makes a Q Taper mount pattern muzzle device? ETA - clarifying that what I’m looking for is muzzle devices that accept 25 degree taper on barrel. My biggest hope for the rifle industry is that they catch on and realize that 25 degree is the way of the future. Quit jacking with 90 degree shoulders. Want to still use 90 degree muzzle devices? No problem, a $20 adapter is available to compensate for tapered barrels. We can add the 25 degree taper on these if you add a note on the order. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 5:53:12 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We can add the 25 degree taper on these if you add a note on the order. Yeah I saw that. I think that’s great. Not sure others are doing it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 9:19:58 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who else makes a Q Taper mount pattern muzzle device? ETA - clarifying that what I’m looking for is muzzle devices that accept 25 degree taper on barrel. Not trying to hijack his thread but we do it at Rearden for the last ~ 2 years. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:34:41 AM EDT
[#49]
Any plans for a closed bottom version of the Night Howler?
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Posted: 4/6/2023 2:11:34 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any plans for a closed bottom version of the Night Howler? Do you mean so that it makes the end a sacrificial blast baffle? |
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