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Posted: 3/15/2019 11:28:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HansohnBrothers]
Since there seem to be a lot of questions regarding wipes, the below is a list of wiped silencers, material used with durometer rating* and dimensions. If there are any models missing or erroneous data, please contact me and I'll update the list.
Dead Air Ghost 60A Neoprene 1.20" x 1/8", 1/4" center Dead Air Wolfman 70A Neoprene 5/8"~1" x 1/8", 1/4" center DeGroat Nano 80A Polyurethane 11/16" x 1/8" or 1/4", 3/16" center (optional) Energetic Vox (S and K) 70A Fabric Reinforced Silicon 1-1/8" x 1/8" Gemtech Aurora and Aurora II 65A Urethane 1" x 1/8" (center X cut) Knights XM-9 70A Urethane 1" x 1/8" Rex Silentium MG22 50A High Temp Silicone 5/8" x 1/8" McMaster-Carr item 5787T63 and Punch 3427a17 Thompson Machine Poseidon 50A Neoprene 15/16" x 1/8" (.45) 15/16" x 1/4" (9mm) Thompson Machine Wasp 50A Neoprene 5/8" x 1/8" *Durometer is used as a measure of hardness in polymers, elastomers and rubbers. |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 11:37:41 AM EDT
[#1]
Do wipes have any effect on supersonic rounds?
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Posted: 3/15/2019 11:44:26 AM EDT
[#2]
Thanks HansohnBrothers! Great wipe info compilation.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By th_baba_yaga:
Do wipes have any effect on supersonic rounds? SilentMike |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 11:59:21 AM EDT
[#3]
That’s very helpful
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Posted: 3/15/2019 12:16:34 PM EDT
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I love you (no homo)
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/15/2019 1:12:11 PM EDT
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May not be a bad idea to tack this thread for future so it doesn't get archived
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Posted: 3/15/2019 1:15:58 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atlmike:
Thanks HansohnBrothers! Great wipe info compilation. In my experience it's been the other way around, and the supersonic rounds have an effect on the wipes. The wipes used in the old AWC HP-9 and the KAC Snap-On would degrade faster with supersonic 9mm. SilentMike |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 1:34:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By th_baba_yaga: So supersonic rounds will wear out a wipe quicker than subsonic rounds. Will the wipe have a noticeable sound reduction on supersonic rounds? |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 3:23:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Engineer]
[#8]
Originally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
Since there seem to be a lot of questions regarding wipes, the below is a list of wiped silencers, material used with durometer rating* and dimensions. If there are any models missing or erroneous data, please contact me and I'll update the list. AAC M9-QD Dead Air Ghost 60A Neoprene McMaster Carr Part Number: 6"x6" - 1370N15 1.20" x 1/8", 1/4" center McMaster Carr Part Number: 30mm (1.18") Hammer Driven Hole Punch - 3418A3 DeGroat Nano 80A Polyurethane McMaster Carr Part Number: 6"x6", 1/8" - 8716K24 6"x6", 1/4" - 8716K27 11/16" x 1/8" or 1/4", 3/16" center (optional) McMaster Carr Part Number: 11/16" Hammer Driven Hole Punch - 3427A18 Energetic Vox (S and K) 70A Fabric Reinforced Silicon McMaster Carr Part Number: 2"x36" - 3635K17 1-1/8" x 1/8" McMaster Carr Punch Part Number: 1-1/8" Hammer Driven Hole Punch - 3427A26 Gemtech Aurora and Aurora 2 65A Urethane 1" x 1/8" McMaster Carr Part Number: 1" Hammer Driven Hole Punch - 3427A24 Knights XM-9 70A Urethane 1" x 1/8" Thompson Machine Poseidon 50A Neoprene 15/16" x 1/8" (.45) McMaster Carr Part Number: 6"x6", 1/8" - 1370N15 15/16" x 1/4" (9mm) McMaster Carr Part Number: 6"x6", 1/4" - 1370N17 McMaster Carr Part Number: 15/16" Hammer Driven Hole Punch - 3427A23 Thompson Machine Wasp 50A Neoprene McMaster Carr Part Number: 6"x6", 1/8" - 1370N15 5/8" x 1/8" McMaster Carr Part Number: 5/8" Hammer Drive Hole Punch - 3427A17 *Durometer is used as a measure of hardness in polymers, elastomers and rubbers. |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 4:22:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Atlmike]
[#9]
There were no wipes in the AAC M9-SD.
The wipes in the KAC XM9 were 1/8" thick x 1" diameter, 70 Durometer Urethane. 8 were used per stack, grouped as 3,3, and 2. Very easily made with a sheet of the material, and a gasket punch. SilentMike |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 4:41:49 PM EDT
[#10]
Awesome information. Needs to be stickied somewhere or at least set to not archive.
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Posted: 3/15/2019 4:49:16 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atlmike:
There were no wipes in the AAC M9-SD. The wipes in the KAC XM9 were 1/8" thick x 1" diameter, 70 Durometer Urethane. 8 were used per stack, grouped as 3,3, and 2. Very easily made with a sheet of the material, and a gasket punch. SilentMike |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 7:34:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Burnit53]
[#12]
The punches are WAY cheaper on Amazon. This will take you to a page where you can select from a variety of sizes too.
The one linked above is will be over $80 with shipping.  
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Posted: 3/15/2019 7:37:03 PM EDT
[#13]
Since this is a wipe thread..
I was reading here a while back that wipes were a "only have one on ya" kinda deal, as they were considered a baffle. Did I misread that? |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 9:24:36 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Burnit53:
Since this is a wipe thread.. I was reading here a while back that wipes were a "only have one on ya" kinda deal, as they were considered a baffle. Did I misread that? |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 10:04:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Plumber576]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider:
Awesome information. Needs to be stickied somewhere or at least set to not archive. |
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Posted: 3/15/2019 11:54:38 PM EDT
[#16]
Agree - very useful thread.
Pro: wipes reduce sound signature over non - wipe cans Cons: accuracy may be adversely affected - greater blow-back in semi auto firearms - very limited service life. My general impression is: wipe cans are best left to pistol calipers: |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 8:18:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BigWaylon]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Plumber576: Mods please tack this, or at least prevent it from being archived. I don’t think y’all can see the icon, but this one is now set to not archive like the deals thread. If there’s no activity, you’ll find it on the last page of this subforum along with a half-dozen or so other threads that have drifted back there. 
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Posted: 3/16/2019 10:16:38 AM EDT
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Why the difference in hardness (durometer). Considering they all perform the same function should not the hardness be the same for the best benefit?
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Posted: 3/16/2019 5:14:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bmarshall1:
Why the difference in hardness (durometer). Considering they all perform the same function should not the hardness be the same for the best benefit? |
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Posted: 3/16/2019 7:11:15 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Burnit53:
The punches are WAY cheaper on Amazon. This will take you to a page where you can select from a variety of sizes too. The one linked above is will be over $80 with shipping. www.amazon.com/dp/B000TZUTV6 
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Posted: 3/16/2019 8:05:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Burnit53]
[#21]
McMaster Carr sells 5-10 count packs of rubber washers that come in sizes that are almost perfect for a few of the listed silencers above.
Washer "No Mr. ATF man, these aren't extra wipes. Just a pack of commercially available rubber washers that don't quite fit perfectly in my Ghost." |
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Posted: 3/17/2019 12:40:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Done. I don’t think y’all can see the icon, but this one is now set to not archive like the deals thread. If there’s no activity, you’ll find it on the last page of this subforum along with a half-dozen or so other threads that have drifted back there. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/126679/06F0C589-EB60-444C-A37B-3D5EB94C41E4-879264.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By Plumber576: Mods please tack this, or at least prevent it from being archived. I don’t think y’all can see the icon, but this one is now set to not archive like the deals thread. If there’s no activity, you’ll find it on the last page of this subforum along with a half-dozen or so other threads that have drifted back there. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/126679/06F0C589-EB60-444C-A37B-3D5EB94C41E4-879264.jpg |
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Posted: 3/17/2019 9:37:54 AM EDT
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The factory spec on the Gemtech Aurora wipe (both original and Aurora-II) is 1" OD x 1/8" thick, not 15/16" OD. I just double-checked my memory with the factory prints.
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Posted: 3/17/2019 10:53:28 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PHD:
The factory spec on the Gemtech Aurora wipe (both original and Aurora-II) is 1" OD x 1/8" thick, not 15/16" OD. I just double-checked my memory with the factory prints. |
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Posted: 4/30/2019 2:14:14 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Atlmike:
Thanks HansohnBrothers! Great wipe info compilation. In my experience it's been the other way around, and the supersonic rounds have an effect on the wipes. The wipes used in the old AWC HP-9 and the KAC Snap-On would degrade faster with supersonic 9mm. SilentMike |
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Posted: 4/30/2019 7:34:50 PM EDT
[#26]
does anyone have the McMaster Carr links for the neoprene sheets id need for Deadair Wolfman wipes? Im having a hard time finding it. Also, do i need a 1/8 inch punch?
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MA, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2019 9:30:49 PM EDT
[#27]
Pro tip: Use the end grain of a wood block as your anvil rather than the side grain for a cleaner punch. A block of soft plastic like HDPE or similar works well too.
Next time we are running a batch of wipes I will try to remember to post a pic of our wipe punching machine. Full semi-auto production of freedom disks! 
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Posted: 5/1/2019 8:01:26 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kedminster:
Pro tip: Use the end grain of a wood block as your anvil rather than the side grain for a cleaner punch. A block of soft plastic like HDPE or similar works well too. Next time we are running a batch of wipes I will try to remember to post a pic of our wipe punching machine. Full semi-auto production of freedom disks! |
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Posted: 5/2/2019 12:19:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kedminster:Pro tip: Use the end grain of a wood block as your anvil rather than the side grain I make my own punches, from round bar w/ a small diameter tube welded in the center. Sandwich the cutter, the material, and a 1" Thk piece of 6x6, all in the vise and tighten down. Out pops a rubber washer
My lil guy loves making them. Actually, he loves making the hole in the rubber sheet and could care less about the final product. For now 
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Posted: 5/20/2019 2:52:47 PM EDT
[#30]
Anyone know the dimensions of the wipe that can fit in the Griffin stealth flash hider endcaps? Hansohn, i see u have em in stock. Ill have to grab some next time i pick up a can.
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Posted: 5/20/2019 6:56:44 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JsbsMarine:
Anyone know the dimensions of the wipe that can fit in the Griffin stealth flash hider endcaps? Hansohn, i see u have em in stock. Ill have to grab some next time i pick up a can. |
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Posted: 7/16/2019 6:33:42 PM EDT
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Does anybody know of a source for 65A for a Aurora II? will 60A work? Also do I need to have the X cutout? I bought this thing on a whim and it just got approved.
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Posted: 8/13/2019 12:53:32 AM EDT
[#33]
Does anyone use a punch to punch out the center hole for their wipes? Or just let the bullet make the initial hole?
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Posted: 8/13/2019 9:40:31 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aksahsalahs:
Does anybody know of a source for 65A for a Aurora II? will 60A work? Also do I need to have the X cutout? I bought this thing on a whim and it just got approved. |
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Posted: 8/13/2019 9:42:16 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bideue77:
Does anyone use a punch to punch out the center hole for their wipes? Or just let the bullet make the initial hole? |
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Posted: 8/13/2019 11:14:55 AM EDT
[#36]
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Posted: 8/13/2019 12:16:05 PM EDT
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I'm a little confused about which Amazon punch I need for the Ghost. Can someone help?
Also this thread isn't going to turn into Wish.com 2.0, right? |
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Posted: 8/13/2019 12:22:49 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThisWildAdventure:
I'm a little confused about which Amazon punch I need for the Ghost. Can someone help? Also this thread isn't going to turn into Wish.com 2.0, right? Punch |
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Posted: 8/13/2019 12:42:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: voodochild]
[#39]
Check the Wolfman thread I posted a picture of the"wipe" that came with mine and a link to where you can get more in bulk.
 Danco Flat Faucet Washer 1 " Od. Rubber Trade Size 3/4 " Flat Polybag |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 8:19:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HansohnBrothers]
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Posted: 8/16/2019 6:26:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CTM1]
[#41]
Last weekend I tried to cut replacement wipes for my AWC HP-9 can. There are (4 ) 1"D 1/4" thick wipes in this can. The can has never been fired but original wipes were in really poor condition, they were dried out and fragile so I tossed them.
Trying to hammer through the 1/4" material was surprisingly difficult. After that I tried to cut an "X" in the center of one wipe with a razor and it did not turn out well. After that I got out a really sharp 1/4" chisel and tried to center it but two wipes in a row split almost in half and had to be tossed. It took some time but I finally managed to get four cut but the "X's" were not perfectly centered. Maybe working with 1/8" material and doing eight wipes is the answer. Now something KAC did a while back on one of their limited run 45 cans got me thinking. This particular can incorporated one or two wipes in a special end cap and each wipe had a small hole in the center of it. My question is will a hole diminish the effectiveness of the wipes in a can that was not originally designed to have such holes in the wipes or simply "X's"? Here is pic of the KAC wipes from their limited run 45 can.  Attached FileThis whole process makes me wonder if someone could make a special punch that incorporates an "X" into the center so you could accomplish both tasks at the same time, or would a stand alone punch that only cuts the "X" be easier to make. |
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Posted: 1/20/2020 10:14:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2020 11:19:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Default-Gateway:
Possibly a stupid question, but what is the best way to center these when punching? Just eye up and a dowl of some sort through the ID opening? |
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Posted: 1/20/2020 11:34:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
I just eye-ball it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
Originally Posted By Default-Gateway:
Possibly a stupid question, but what is the best way to center these when punching? Just eye up and a dowl of some sort through the ID opening? |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 7:04:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Default-Gateway]
[#45]
If a guy was really into it and needed a size that was not common to the plumbing washer market something like this would come in handy. They sure would be some concentric circles.
I'd imagine that'd be something a fella could do if he was so inclined. 
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Posted: 1/24/2020 7:22:45 PM EDT
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Not up-to-date on the law regarding these wipers. Is it illegal to sale these or have a bunch laying around?
If legal you can get laser cut custom sizes fairly cheap. And just about any durometer and compound. |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 10:42:49 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vatopa:
Not up-to-date on the law regarding these wipers. Is it illegal to sale these or have a bunch laying around? If legal you can get laser cut custom sizes fairly cheap. And just about any durometer and compound. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 1:22:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
Yes, ATF says illegal to sell wipes but you can make your own replacements. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HansohnBrothers:
Originally Posted By vatopa:
Not up-to-date on the law regarding these wipers. Is it illegal to sale these or have a bunch laying around? If legal you can get laser cut custom sizes fairly cheap. And just about any durometer and compound. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 10:06:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GarrettJ]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1:
Last weekend I tried to cut replacement wipes for my AWC HP-9 can. There are (4 ) 1"D 1/4" thick wipes in this can... Trying to hammer through the 1/4" material was surprisingly difficult. After that I tried to cut an "X" in the center of one wipe with a razor and it did not turn out well. After that I got out a really sharp 1/4" chisel and tried to center it but two wipes in a row split almost in half and had to be tossed. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 10:58:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Default-Gateway:
Yes, another one of the alphabet agencies "decisions" that passed through no law making body. |
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