User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 7/24/2018 7:57:56 PM EDT
I've had this can and mount for three years, now the brake is stuck and I'm pissed. I had antiseize on all of the right parts, too. Too late to call SiCo.
 Attached File Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2018 8:16:55 PM EDT
[#1]
Trifecta? Lol
Sorry OP. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2018 8:19:10 PM EDT
[#2]
Call them anyway.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2018 8:58:17 PM EDT
[#3]
Why is it too late for the warranty?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2018 9:28:41 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why is it too late for the warranty? |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2018 9:48:13 PM EDT
[#5]
That Saker has some miles on it, when I shoot my MAAD off I switched out to ASR. It may be time to move on brother.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2018 9:53:02 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
That Saker has some miles on it, when I shoot my MAAD off I switched out to ASR. It may be time to move on brother.  . It’s definitely time to upgrade to ASR, KeyMo, or Plan B.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/24/2018 11:56:21 PM EDT
[#7]
Not sure that your problem is the same, but the first time I played around with my Saker and the brake they became stuck. No joke, two buddies tried for about two hours to separate the mount and brake before giving up. The next day we saw the dealer who sold me the can. He screwed the mount back into the can and in two seconds he had the can and the brake separated. He pressed or pulled on the exterior gray metal spring to get the little "tits" out of the grooves, turned the mount and it was done.
 Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/25/2018 12:15:37 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not sure that your problem is the same, but the first time I played around with my Saker and the brake they became stuck. No joke, two buddies tried for about two hours to separate the mount and brake before giving up. The next day we saw the dealer who sold me the can. He screwed the mount back into the can and in two seconds he had the can and the brake separated. He pressed on the exterior gray metal spring to get the little "tits" out of the grooves, turned the mount and it was done. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/81561/saker_maad_mount_main-618576.JPG |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/25/2018 7:24:53 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not sure that your problem is the same, but the first time I played around with my Saker and the brake they became stuck. No joke, two buddies tried for about two hours to separate the mount and brake before giving up. The next day we saw the dealer who sold me the can. He screwed the mount back into the can and in two seconds he had the can and the brake separated. He pressed on the exterior gray metal spring to get the little "tits" out of the grooves, turned the mount and it was done. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/81561/saker_maad_mount_main-618576.JPG 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/25/2018 7:48:19 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yeah, I shoot my rifles . It’s definitely time to upgrade to ASR, KeyMo, or Plan B.Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
That Saker has some miles on it, when I shoot my MAAD off I switched out to ASR. It may be time to move on brother. . It’s definitely time to upgrade to ASR, KeyMo, or Plan B. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/25/2018 9:47:00 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
The Q stuff looks good but I just dont like how it only engages about half the threads of your barrel isn't tapered. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/25/2018 9:54:45 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I never had an issue with the trifecta mount but got a keymo when they first came out. The Q stuff looks good but I just dont like how it only engages about half the threads of your barrel isn't tapered. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/25/2018 11:47:54 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If used on a non-tapered barrel, the Cherry Bomb typically only engages a very small area of the barrel shoulder. Some people have had to taper their barrel anyway as the Cherry Bomb would slip over the barrel shoulder a tiny amount (their OD was probably on the small side for suppressor mounting anyway). https://cdn8.bigcommerce.com/s-50c7cl/images/stencil/608x608/products/1142/4225/IMG20180203170931021_2048x2048__85987.1529604020.jpg?c=2 |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/25/2018 4:40:30 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
A general engineering rule of thumb is that 3 to 4 threads engaged reaches full strength for threaded connections. I'd be more concerned that the taper to shoulder connection provides less surface for friction and torque setting than taper to taper or shoulder to shoulder. I imagine Q has thought about that and optimized the taper geometry for typical barrels. Sig has been using a similar scheme for a while and it seems to work well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I never had an issue with the trifecta mount but got a keymo when they first came out. The Q stuff looks good but I just dont like how it only engages about half the threads of your barrel isn't tapered. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/25/2018 5:03:40 PM EDT
[#15]
I've had that happen a few times and I've launched my can one time, I'm converting everything to Q's stuff and using Cherry Bombs on all my rifles now.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/25/2018 5:56:33 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not sure that your problem is the same, but the first time I played around with my Saker and the brake they became stuck. No joke, two buddies tried for about two hours to separate the mount and brake before giving up. The next day we saw the dealer who sold me the can. He screwed the mount back into the can and in two seconds he had the can and the brake separated. He pressed on the exterior gray metal spring to get the little "tits" out of the grooves, turned the mount and it was done. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/81561/saker_maad_mount_main-618576.JPG I learned never play with the mount on a brake that isnt attached to a rifle or silencer... huge pain in the ass to get back off. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/25/2018 11:02:02 PM EDT
[#17]
I dont understand the appeal of the fine thread QD mounts. You are basically just direct threading your can on the gun and paying a bunch of money per mount to do it. i guess the taper helps adhesion some but then you are occassionally having the problem of mount stuck in can better than it sticks to rifle unless you are rocksetting every mount.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 12:09:10 AM EDT
[#18]
My MAAD kept launching my Sakar.
They sent me replacements but I gave up on them and use ASR now. Or just the screw mount. Very disappointed in the MAAD. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 12:16:28 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I dont understand the appeal of the fine thread QD mounts. You are basically just direct threading your can on the gun and paying a bunch of money per mount to do it. i guess the taper helps adhesion some but then you are occassionally having the problem of mount stuck in can better than it sticks to rifle unless you are rocksetting every mount. The less moving parts, the better. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 1:27:49 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I never had an issue with the trifecta mount but got a keymo when they first came out. The Q stuff looks good but I just dont like how it only engages about half the threads of your barrel isn't tapered. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
That Saker has some miles on it, when I shoot my MAAD off I switched out to ASR. It may be time to move on brother. . It’s definitely time to upgrade to ASR, KeyMo, or Plan B. Attached File Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 1:41:41 AM EDT
[#21]
For a given fastener diameter finer threads are stronger in both tension and shear, take less torque to reach preload, resist loosening better, and are easier and faster to machine. So this arrangement doesn't need locking mechanisms and is light, simple, and cheap to make. The downside for fine threads is higher potential for gauling and less tolerant of debris and contaminants but the taper seal and low potential for gauling metals precludes that. It's a solid design.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 6:48:30 AM EDT
[#22]
Update: no news.
Called SiCo, had to leave a message due to "call volume over our recent sale" and then I dicked around with that goddamn mount for an hour, no luck. I guess my next step is either sending it in SiCo when they finally call or red loctiting it to the barrel and seeing if I can get it off that way. I'm conflicted on getting SiCo to replace my Trifect crap with either direct thread or ASR stuff. I don't swap out suppressors much. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 10:20:07 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Update: no news. Called SiCo, had to leave a message due to "call volume over our recent sale" and then I dicked around with that goddamn mount for an hour, no luck. I guess my next step is either sending it in SiCo when they finally call or red loctiting it to the barrel and seeing if I can get it off that way. I'm conflicted on getting SiCo to replace my Trifect crap with either direct thread or ASR stuff. I don't swap out suppressors much. I still wanted the simplicity of DT due to the low risk involved, but didn't want to keep swapping from 1/2 to 5/8. The Q mount is a great solution for me. I have been a huge SiCo fan for years, but they shit the bed on their mounts. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 10:54:00 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Direct thread is definitely the simplest, if you don't mind keeping your barrels around with no muzzle devices. Depending on how many suppressors you have and your barrel thread sizes, it could be simple or a pain on the ass. I was having to swap the DT module in my Omega a lot and I got tired of it. I still wanted the simplicity of DT due to the low risk involved, but didn't want to keep swapping from 1/2 to 5/8. The Q mount is a great solution for me. I have been a huge SiCo fan for years, but they shit the bed on their mounts. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 11:45:21 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why do you like the Q mount over the Dead Air one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Direct thread is definitely the simplest, if you don't mind keeping your barrels around with no muzzle devices. Depending on how many suppressors you have and your barrel thread sizes, it could be simple or a pain on the ass. I was having to swap the DT module in my Omega a lot and I got tired of it. I still wanted the simplicity of DT due to the low risk involved, but didn't want to keep swapping from 1/2 to 5/8. The Q mount is a great solution for me. I have been a huge SiCo fan for years, but they shit the bed on their mounts. My main reason is that I bought a Q rifle and a Q suppressor, so I'll have one can that uses the CB mount, and they're going to make Plan B's for the rest of my cans. But other reasons are price, the Q Plan B is $150, the Dead Air module is $250. When you have 3 cans that need those, that's gonna make a difference. Another reason is weight and length. The Q setup is shorter and lighter than the Dead Air. Last would be a complete lack of moving parts to fail on the Q mount. The only thing you can fuck up is ruining the threads or not properly tightening the CB down on the barrel and bringing it off with the can. Which for the Omega and the Saker is as simple as removing the Plan B and putting a socket on the CB and your wrench on the Plan B and removing it. To sum it up, price, weight and length, and simplicity. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 11:51:19 AM EDT
[#26]
They replaced all my Trifecta's with ASR mounts. No issues since.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 2:26:08 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
Update: no news. Called SiCo, had to leave a message due to "call volume over our recent sale" and then I dicked around with that goddamn mount for an hour, no luck. I guess my next step is either sending it in SiCo when they finally call or red loctiting it to the barrel and seeing if I can get it off that way. I'm conflicted on getting SiCo to replace my Trifect crap with either direct thread or ASR stuff. I don't swap out suppressors much. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 5:03:23 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you soaked it yet? You could probably get the nub of the brake in a vice and use a strap wrench on the mount to get some leverage. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 5:06:47 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
That’s next...since SiCo hasn’t returned my CS call 24 hours later Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Have you soaked it yet? You could probably get the nub of the brake in a vice and use a strap wrench on the mount to get some leverage. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 5:10:24 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bandsaw time. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 5:10:39 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
please take video Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Bandsaw time. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 5:30:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bandsaw time. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/26/2018 7:15:44 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Direct thread is definitely the simplest, if you don't mind keeping your barrels around with no muzzle devices. Depending on how many suppressors you have and your barrel thread sizes, it could be simple or a pain on the ass. I was having to swap the DT module in my Omega a lot and I got tired of it. I still wanted the simplicity of DT due to the low risk involved, but didn't want to keep swapping from 1/2 to 5/8. The Q mount is a great solution for me. I have been a huge SiCo fan for years, but they shit the bed on their mounts. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 1:19:58 PM EDT
[#34]
SiCo hasn’t responded, I called them again and left a voicemail today. Also sent them an email. I want a swap to ASR ASAP. Pissed off.
 Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 1:20:46 PM EDT
[#35]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 1:42:59 PM EDT
[#36]
Hmmm...chainsaw wouldn't get it off?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 1:45:18 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Hmmm...chainsaw wouldn't get it off?  . Nah, gotta clean that saw, tighten the chain, and hit the cutters and rakers.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 2:12:11 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: . Nah, gotta clean that saw, tighten the chain, and hit the cutters and rakers.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 2:34:28 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Based on the damage on the mount, I almost thought you'd tried it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 2:35:36 PM EDT
[#40]
Also, the damage to the mount is cosmetic only, it ratchets and seems to work fine, not that I'll ever use that piece of shit again.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 2:37:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was pretty pissed off, waited over 48 hours on a response from SiCo and I figured that I'm trading in this piece of shit mount for an ASR one anyway. I took a look at at SiCo's FB page, nothing but complaints about their lack of comms. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 2:41:48 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
They're a small shop and they got demolished by their summer sale. I know it's annoying, but in the long term life of something like a suppressor, it's just a minor delay. They'll take care of you, just let them catch up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I was pretty pissed off, waited over 48 hours on a response from SiCo and I figured that I'm trading in this piece of shit mount for an ASR one anyway. I took a look at at SiCo's FB page, nothing but complaints about their lack of comms. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 3:44:42 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, it looks like they're treating everyone the same right now. I sent them an email after my two voicemails. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 3:53:06 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have had amazing CS for years now but these are some hard times right now. Between the summer sale and all the layoffs I'm sure they are hurting. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 4:16:31 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, three calls this week and they didn’t answer once. I’m honestly worried that I’ll have to eat the cost of these shitty trifecta mounts and brakes and have to buy Plan B or KyMo. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 4:19:12 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
...or YHM. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yeah, three calls this week and they didn’t answer once. I’m honestly worried that I’ll have to eat the cost of these shitty trifecta mounts and brakes and have to buy Plan B or KyMo. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 4:31:19 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Doesn’t look any cheaper than the other alternatives. The design is simple, and practically idiot-proof...so it's worked well for me. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 4:52:10 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon
The design is simple, and practically idiot-proof...so it's worked well for me. |
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 6:54:10 PM EDT
[#49]
Dead KeyMo en route. SWFA had a deal on their MAAD adapters at $89 and @HansohnBrothers made me an excellent deal on the muzzle devices. Day three of no response from SiCo.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 7/27/2018 7:59:42 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Dead KeyMo en route. SWFA had a deal on their MAAD adapters at $89 and @HansohnBrothers made me an excellent deal on the muzzle devices. Day three of no response from SiCo. Just an FYI, you might want to disassemble and lube it before use. I managed to get my Sandman-S pretty well stuck on my 2nd range trip by swapping a warm suppressor onto a cold mount, and not loosening it before everything cooled down again. It took some effort, but I got it loose eventually. I've since lubed it with some silicone grease, and it seems much easier to install and remove. I'd just hate to see you get your new Key-Mo mount stuck, and have to resort back to the chainsaw...
|
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
Attached File
Attached File