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Posted: 7/24/2018 7:57:56 PM EDT
I've had this can and mount for three years, now the brake is stuck and I'm pissed. I had antiseize on all of the right parts, too. Too late to call SiCo.
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That Saker has some miles on it, when I shoot my MAAD off I switched out to ASR. It may be time to move on brother.
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Not sure that your problem is the same, but the first time I played around with my Saker and the brake they became stuck. No joke, two buddies tried for about two hours to separate the mount and brake before giving up. The next day we saw the dealer who sold me the can. He screwed the mount back into the can and in two seconds he had the can and the brake separated. He pressed or pulled on the exterior gray metal spring to get the little "tits" out of the grooves, turned the mount and it was done.
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Not sure that your problem is the same, but the first time I played around with my Saker and the brake they became stuck. No joke, two buddies tried for about two hours to separate the mount and brake before giving up. The next day we saw the dealer who sold me the can. He screwed the mount back into the can and in two seconds he had the can and the brake separated. He pressed on the exterior gray metal spring to get the little "tits" out of the grooves, turned the mount and it was done. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/81561/saker_maad_mount_main-618576.JPG View Quote |
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Not sure that your problem is the same, but the first time I played around with my Saker and the brake they became stuck. No joke, two buddies tried for about two hours to separate the mount and brake before giving up. The next day we saw the dealer who sold me the can. He screwed the mount back into the can and in two seconds he had the can and the brake separated. He pressed on the exterior gray metal spring to get the little "tits" out of the grooves, turned the mount and it was done. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/81561/saker_maad_mount_main-618576.JPG View Quote |
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Yeah, I shoot my rifles . It’s definitely time to upgrade to ASR, KeyMo, or Plan B. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I never had an issue with the trifecta mount but got a keymo when they first came out. The Q stuff looks good but I just dont like how it only engages about half the threads of your barrel isn't tapered. View Quote |
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If used on a non-tapered barrel, the Cherry Bomb typically only engages a very small area of the barrel shoulder. Some people have had to taper their barrel anyway as the Cherry Bomb would slip over the barrel shoulder a tiny amount (their OD was probably on the small side for suppressor mounting anyway). https://cdn8.bigcommerce.com/s-50c7cl/images/stencil/608x608/products/1142/4225/IMG20180203170931021_2048x2048__85987.1529604020.jpg?c=2 View Quote |
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I've had that happen a few times and I've launched my can one time, I'm converting everything to Q's stuff and using Cherry Bombs on all my rifles now.
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Not sure that your problem is the same, but the first time I played around with my Saker and the brake they became stuck. No joke, two buddies tried for about two hours to separate the mount and brake before giving up. The next day we saw the dealer who sold me the can. He screwed the mount back into the can and in two seconds he had the can and the brake separated. He pressed on the exterior gray metal spring to get the little "tits" out of the grooves, turned the mount and it was done. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/81561/saker_maad_mount_main-618576.JPG View Quote I learned never play with the mount on a brake that isnt attached to a rifle or silencer... huge pain in the ass to get back off. |
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I dont understand the appeal of the fine thread QD mounts. You are basically just direct threading your can on the gun and paying a bunch of money per mount to do it. i guess the taper helps adhesion some but then you are occassionally having the problem of mount stuck in can better than it sticks to rifle unless you are rocksetting every mount.
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My MAAD kept launching my Sakar.
They sent me replacements but I gave up on them and use ASR now. Or just the screw mount. Very disappointed in the MAAD. |
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I dont understand the appeal of the fine thread QD mounts. You are basically just direct threading your can on the gun and paying a bunch of money per mount to do it. i guess the taper helps adhesion some but then you are occassionally having the problem of mount stuck in can better than it sticks to rifle unless you are rocksetting every mount. View Quote The less moving parts, the better. |
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I never had an issue with the trifecta mount but got a keymo when they first came out. The Q stuff looks good but I just dont like how it only engages about half the threads of your barrel isn't tapered. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That Saker has some miles on it, when I shoot my MAAD off I switched out to ASR. It may be time to move on brother. Attached File Attached File |
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For a given fastener diameter finer threads are stronger in both tension and shear, take less torque to reach preload, resist loosening better, and are easier and faster to machine. So this arrangement doesn't need locking mechanisms and is light, simple, and cheap to make. The downside for fine threads is higher potential for gauling and less tolerant of debris and contaminants but the taper seal and low potential for gauling metals precludes that. It's a solid design.
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Update: no news.
Called SiCo, had to leave a message due to "call volume over our recent sale" and then I dicked around with that goddamn mount for an hour, no luck. I guess my next step is either sending it in SiCo when they finally call or red loctiting it to the barrel and seeing if I can get it off that way. I'm conflicted on getting SiCo to replace my Trifect crap with either direct thread or ASR stuff. I don't swap out suppressors much. |
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Update: no news. Called SiCo, had to leave a message due to "call volume over our recent sale" and then I dicked around with that goddamn mount for an hour, no luck. I guess my next step is either sending it in SiCo when they finally call or red loctiting it to the barrel and seeing if I can get it off that way. I'm conflicted on getting SiCo to replace my Trifect crap with either direct thread or ASR stuff. I don't swap out suppressors much. View Quote I still wanted the simplicity of DT due to the low risk involved, but didn't want to keep swapping from 1/2 to 5/8. The Q mount is a great solution for me. I have been a huge SiCo fan for years, but they shit the bed on their mounts. |
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Quoted: Direct thread is definitely the simplest, if you don't mind keeping your barrels around with no muzzle devices. Depending on how many suppressors you have and your barrel thread sizes, it could be simple or a pain on the ass. I was having to swap the DT module in my Omega a lot and I got tired of it. I still wanted the simplicity of DT due to the low risk involved, but didn't want to keep swapping from 1/2 to 5/8. The Q mount is a great solution for me. I have been a huge SiCo fan for years, but they shit the bed on their mounts. View Quote |
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Why do you like the Q mount over the Dead Air one? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Direct thread is definitely the simplest, if you don't mind keeping your barrels around with no muzzle devices. Depending on how many suppressors you have and your barrel thread sizes, it could be simple or a pain on the ass. I was having to swap the DT module in my Omega a lot and I got tired of it. I still wanted the simplicity of DT due to the low risk involved, but didn't want to keep swapping from 1/2 to 5/8. The Q mount is a great solution for me. I have been a huge SiCo fan for years, but they shit the bed on their mounts. My main reason is that I bought a Q rifle and a Q suppressor, so I'll have one can that uses the CB mount, and they're going to make Plan B's for the rest of my cans. But other reasons are price, the Q Plan B is $150, the Dead Air module is $250. When you have 3 cans that need those, that's gonna make a difference. Another reason is weight and length. The Q setup is shorter and lighter than the Dead Air. Last would be a complete lack of moving parts to fail on the Q mount. The only thing you can fuck up is ruining the threads or not properly tightening the CB down on the barrel and bringing it off with the can. Which for the Omega and the Saker is as simple as removing the Plan B and putting a socket on the CB and your wrench on the Plan B and removing it. To sum it up, price, weight and length, and simplicity. |
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They replaced all my Trifecta's with ASR mounts. No issues since.
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Update: no news. Called SiCo, had to leave a message due to "call volume over our recent sale" and then I dicked around with that goddamn mount for an hour, no luck. I guess my next step is either sending it in SiCo when they finally call or red loctiting it to the barrel and seeing if I can get it off that way. I'm conflicted on getting SiCo to replace my Trifect crap with either direct thread or ASR stuff. I don't swap out suppressors much. View Quote |
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That’s next...since SiCo hasn’t returned my CS call 24 hours later View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Quoted: Direct thread is definitely the simplest, if you don't mind keeping your barrels around with no muzzle devices. Depending on how many suppressors you have and your barrel thread sizes, it could be simple or a pain on the ass. I was having to swap the DT module in my Omega a lot and I got tired of it. I still wanted the simplicity of DT due to the low risk involved, but didn't want to keep swapping from 1/2 to 5/8. The Q mount is a great solution for me. I have been a huge SiCo fan for years, but they shit the bed on their mounts. View Quote |
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SiCo hasn’t responded, I called them again and left a voicemail today. Also sent them an email. I want a swap to ASR ASAP. Pissed off.
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Based on the damage on the mount, I almost thought you'd tried it. View Quote |
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Also, the damage to the mount is cosmetic only, it ratchets and seems to work fine, not that I'll ever use that piece of shit again.
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Quoted: I was pretty pissed off, waited over 48 hours on a response from SiCo and I figured that I'm trading in this piece of shit mount for an ASR one anyway. I took a look at at SiCo's FB page, nothing but complaints about their lack of comms. View Quote |
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They're a small shop and they got demolished by their summer sale. I know it's annoying, but in the long term life of something like a suppressor, it's just a minor delay. They'll take care of you, just let them catch up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I was pretty pissed off, waited over 48 hours on a response from SiCo and I figured that I'm trading in this piece of shit mount for an ASR one anyway. I took a look at at SiCo's FB page, nothing but complaints about their lack of comms. |
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Quoted: They have had amazing CS for years now but these are some hard times right now. Between the summer sale and all the layoffs I'm sure they are hurting. View Quote |
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Doesn’t look any cheaper than the other alternatives.
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Doesn’t look any cheaper than the other alternatives. View Quote The design is simple, and practically idiot-proof...so it's worked well for me. |
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Dead KeyMo en route. SWFA had a deal on their MAAD adapters at $89 and @HansohnBrothers made me an excellent deal on the muzzle devices. Day three of no response from SiCo.
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Dead KeyMo en route. SWFA had a deal on their MAAD adapters at $89 and @HansohnBrothers made me an excellent deal on the muzzle devices. Day three of no response from SiCo. View Quote Just an FYI, you might want to disassemble and lube it before use. I managed to get my Sandman-S pretty well stuck on my 2nd range trip by swapping a warm suppressor onto a cold mount, and not loosening it before everything cooled down again. It took some effort, but I got it loose eventually. I've since lubed it with some silicone grease, and it seems much easier to install and remove. I'd just hate to see you get your new Key-Mo mount stuck, and have to resort back to the chainsaw... |
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