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Posted: 11/19/2007 6:36:22 AM EDT
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If it's a SPR = OPS Inc 12th Model. If it's a non-SPR profiled AR, then OPS Inc. 16th Model. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 7:48:35 AM EDT
[#2]
OPS Inc 3rd Model is probably the quietest production .22 suppressor made.
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Posted: 11/19/2007 8:23:45 AM EDT
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I think it most be the Surefire dummy can that is the quietest it fits the flashider and have no hole in the front ,,now that MUST be quiet  ,,or maybe very loud 
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Posted: 11/19/2007 8:31:48 AM EDT
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You ask what is the quietest can to use.
But are you asking quietest for your ear ,or quietest for the bystander ..or quietest downrange ( can the enemy hear where the shoot came from ) Edit i dont know the ansver |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 9:43:45 AM EDT
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If OPS Inc. has a 3rd Model for the AR platform, I wasn't aware of it. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 9:49:51 AM EDT
[#6]
just about any can from a quality manufacturer will be within a few dB of any of the others.
.223 cans are LOUD. Granted, they make a huge difference over unsuppressed, but if you're expecting your AR to sound like a .22, unfortunately that's not going to happen. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 12:08:30 PM EDT
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It requires barrel work but it will fit. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 2:19:52 PM EDT
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The vietnam era sionics and 2-point mount silencers from Ceiner are quiet but close to 14" long.
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Posted: 11/19/2007 2:25:10 PM EDT
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With centerfire rifle cans, I think there are more important considerations than sound reduction. Any quality can will sound similar (read "much louder than Hollywood would lead you to believe") to any other quality can. Ahead of sound reduction I think are considerations of weight, materials/construction, mount, size, and price.
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Posted: 11/19/2007 3:30:31 PM EDT
[#10]
Have you heard a 3rd model next to another rifle suppressor? |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 3:34:12 PM EDT
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s109.photobucket.com/albums/n54/uzidoesit/?action=view¤t=M16_Halo1.flv
Here is me shooting a Halo with a happy switch. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 3:49:50 PM EDT
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I agree. I think it is also important to buy from companies that use designers who understand how suppressors work and how to build them. I would hold out for the product that was designed and manufactured by a professional.
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Posted: 11/19/2007 5:32:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/19/2007 6:08:11 PM EDT
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Its a standard .5x28 thread mount. A simple slip on collar resting against the FSB on a 16" MID, 14.5" or 20" rifle is all thats needed. It's probably the easiest OPS can to install. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 6:24:08 PM EDT
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I heard an Ops at the AAC shoot, dunno which model it was though. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 6:47:11 PM EDT
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The 3rd model is very quiet, you owe it to yourself to hear one in person. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 8:00:35 PM EDT
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Unless its 2 feet long .. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 8:23:39 PM EDT
[#18]
You do realize that he was talking about it for his home shop right, not AAC? Stop trying to salt the fields. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 8:54:03 PM EDT
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I'd check with Slivers before I went around blabbing Ol' Bert was actually making suppressors at his house in Mass.  |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 9:11:34 PM EDT
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Doesn't he have a C2? (I thought he did anyway) Wouldn't it be legal then? There is a difference between know how to build, and "want to automate a process they already know how to do manually" This is the first mention I ever heard of the Sionics cans being quiet. I always was under the impression they did poorly in military trials and metered about 20DB. I would go with what Ian is saying. It sounds like he has heard a lot of the mainstream shit. If it's noticeably better, then it's probably just better. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 9:13:22 PM EDT
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AND? what did you think? Or i guess that might be a stupid question if you didn't get to actually fire the rifle. Sorry. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 9:14:14 PM EDT
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I don't ever recall him saying anything about making suppressors there. Or is having a CNC welder the same thing as having a shoestring? Not to mention if he has his SOT he's not prohibited. I'd check your facts before trying to insinuate things, especially something felonious. |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 9:26:01 PM EDT
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"I want to weld caps onto 8 inch by 1.5 inch tubes." rslivers Hmmm, he was asking about welding --- 8" long x 1.5" dia. --- I get it, he's in the dildo business !!  |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 12:24:37 AM EDT
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Hey you never know. You know what they say about assuming..... |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 1:29:27 AM EDT
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How close to the FSB does a 3rd model end up on a 14.5"? |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 5:28:31 AM EDT
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I was wrong, the 3rd is flush on 12.5" barrels. Its still a slip on collar though.
If its a barrel my guys did, I just treat it as a thread mount and dont use a collar at all. .223 3rd model on 14.5" M4 barrel.  
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Posted: 11/20/2007 6:00:17 AM EDT
[#27]
Ian & BB, are we talking about a .308 / 7.62mm Ops Inc. 3rd Model can for use on the .223 / 5.56mm round? I'm assuming that this was suggested because the 3rd Model has more volume to compensate for the larger bore diameter? Or... is there a 3rd Model for .223 / .5.56mm? |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 6:06:35 AM EDT
[#28]
the M4 pictured above has the .223 3rd model installed. |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 6:10:31 AM EDT
[#29]
That's an attractive setup with that much of the barrel covered. It looks like it actually protrudes less in front of the muzzle than the 16th. |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 6:11:59 AM EDT
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I know that its not going to sound like my warlock on my p22 but i was looking for some good suggestions on what people think sounds the best to the shooters ear. I think i am leaning towards the SWR Spec war 2 model or the AAC omni. It's going to be mounted on a 16 RRA entry.
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Posted: 11/20/2007 6:14:40 AM EDT
[#31]
ian,
After seeing the size of the 3rd model, it doesn't surprise me that most people seem to think it's the quietest one around. It's freakin huge. I guess that would be the way to go if you don't mind turning your carbine into a rifle. |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 6:25:23 AM EDT
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...or suppressing an SPR/Mk12/bolt gun. I believe the 3rd was meant to go on more precise weapons, not a CQB gun. |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 6:30:25 AM EDT
[#33]
The guy didn't ask for the smallest, he asked for the quietest. You can have all the efficient baffles you want but volume is still king in suppressor land. |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 6:34:23 AM EDT
[#34]
Not at the time he posted that he didn't. As far as I know all of his NFA items were parked on someone else's FFL so making suppressors at his house would have been a felony. |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 6:58:24 AM EDT
[#35]
Yeah, that would make much more sense. |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 10:24:13 AM EDT
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Im only guesing ,,but i think mr larue had all what it did take to make a can before he had the permit to make one ,,that dosnt make him a criminal Gathering equipment prior to making something is ok ,, but sins we are speculating maybe he was just testing how different welding tecnics did affect the warping of a welded tube ( i heard rumors that some people are very interested in that )
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Posted: 11/20/2007 10:42:39 AM EDT
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Nope, and it's an old proverb and it goes something like ---- --- "Just 'cause a woman has the goods to be a prostitute, damn sure don't mean she'll become one." And that's why I was throwing a word of caution to good ol' JohnnyC ... 
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Posted: 11/20/2007 10:42:54 AM EDT
[#38]
Not really to me. When I'm designing a suppressor for an M4, I think ideal is something shorter in use than an M16A2. so take an 11.5 or 12.5, and put an 8.5"x1.625" suppressor on it. If you want short, lose the silencer. These mini cans look cool, but don't seem to work very well. For the military a can that rings ears might meet operational requirements of reduced muzzle report, but for me choosing what I want to use, it's going to be something that really works, or I'm going to bring ear plugs. <military use included. |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 11:23:15 AM EDT
[#39]
Does any body have a 3rd model vs say a M4-2k or Ranger can on video? I know the sound will be distorted but it would be nice to hear a video difference.
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Posted: 11/30/2007 9:30:49 AM EDT
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what kind of barrel work would need to be done to a RRA entry model to host an OPS 3rd edition as that is the model i am leaning towards. Length is not the issue i will not be using for CQB.
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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:07:27 AM EDT
[#41]
JPratt06, we had an M4 (with tan furniture and an Aimpoint) with 16th Model and several 12ths on SPRs (all scoped) at the shoot. Do you remember what rifle you shot?
Mark |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:12:46 AM EDT
[#42]
It fairly easy, just requires a special slip over collar. |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:24:09 AM EDT
[#43]
Mark, The only trigger time I got with .223 cans was an SPR-M4. I did get to hear M42Ks on the firing line, however, as well as some individuals shooting their own Ops cans. Didn't get a chance to find out the model #s. I don't think they were the big ones though---looked only slightly longer than the AAC. |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:29:01 AM EDT
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Cool. I'll bet ya a shinny nickle that those were 12th models. I'll see if I can dig up some pictures.
Mark |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:33:57 AM EDT
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Btw, thanks for all your help with my recent order. I'm about to go off to the 'smith to have my mount rocksetted
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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:38:34 AM EDT
[#46]
It also bears mentioning that when considering suppressors on ARs you can really only get just so quiet because of the action noise and discharging gas. Putting a suppressor (take your pick which one) on a locked breach, single shot rifle will truly tell you which is quieter.
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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:42:25 AM EDT
[#47]
ian, GREAT point.
JPratt06, thank YOU. It is wonderful doing business with you.  Mark |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:47:04 AM EDT
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I'll throw out another question would shooting a gas piston upper make any difference in the suppressors performance or the overall sound. I have heard some good things about the piston uppers but i have not seen any one using a can on them.
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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:58:11 AM EDT
[#49]
I asked this very question about two years ago. I just could not make my mind up.
Tagging for outcome. |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 4:24:46 PM EDT
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So Steve you'd see no problem putting a can even as long as the 3rd on a correctly threaded barrel with no collar?
Hm... Interesing idea then because the 15th and 16th would then work the same way. I want an Ops but I've got a 5.45 bulgy on the way. I would just assume get a G5 that I can use on both... |
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