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Posted: 12/27/2018 1:07:13 PM EDT
[#1]
FAL.
G3 a close second. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 1:22:21 PM EDT
[#2]
FAL lock this thread down!
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Posted: 12/27/2018 2:10:03 PM EDT
[#3]
While I love my Stg
I think any quality AR10 style rifle would be a better choice. If budget is a factor then I’d say FAL Galil etc |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 2:22:23 PM EDT
[#4]
an LMT MWS. There may be other large-frame ARs that are reliable and durable, but I've owned an MWS and it was rock-solid dependable as well as unbelievably accurate.
an M1A with USGI parts an FAL or a G3 (properly assembled from parts kits) |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 2:50:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/27/2018 3:00:19 PM EDT
[#6]
An FAL or a G3 will be more reliable than their users need them to be.
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Posted: 12/27/2018 3:01:44 PM EDT
[#7]
FAL
M14 |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 3:04:08 PM EDT
[#8]
FAL .
Mines been great |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 3:06:26 PM EDT
[#9]
I'm going with the LMT MWS.
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Posted: 12/27/2018 3:10:58 PM EDT
[#10]
IMHO
Valmet M76 Galil SCAR LWRCI REPR SR25 LMT Armalite AR-10 G3 (if fed M80, or equivalent)(handles crappy environments, sand/mud well) FAL (moves up if ammunition quality varies, as it can be tuned for the ammunition)(not very sand/mud tolerant) M14 (probably more reliable than FAL in clean conditions, but not good at sand/mud) BM59 (same notes as M14)(better gas system than M14, M14 has slightly better feed path than BM59) The various commercial AR style .308s are hard to rate, as too much variation in quality and intended use. Some are awesome. Some suck. Realistically, any of the above will serve you well. Quality built examples are really good. Test whatever you get with the ammunition you intend to use. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 3:12:56 PM EDT
[#11]
SHTF would be an ar-10 style rifle or a scar 17. I'd probability go scar as I would want something lighter to carry around.
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Posted: 12/27/2018 4:09:36 PM EDT
[#12]
Go check out this Henderson Defense FN thread.
FN products handle stress VERY well Both SCAR 17s (1 Black, 1 FDE) have eaten everything I've fed em (including a scope or 2 lol). |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 4:50:29 PM EDT
[#13]
I'd be fine with my M1A. Had it since 78. It tossed the extractor one day in 81 or 82. Found it, put it back in, still running fine. Stopped using that ultra slick Teflon lube shit on it. I did get around to replacing the operating rod spring 3 or 4 years ago, just to be safe, it had a lot of rounds on it and was just under the minimum length limit. It doesn't like SA surplus with the scope mount on it (bounces empties back into the receiver once or twice a magazine, so I don't shoot SA surplus in it anymore. So, my M1A is proven to be reliable.
I've got a DPMS GII, I like it, but haven't had it or shot nearly enough to say it's good to go. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 4:58:05 PM EDT
[#14]
NDM86 in 54r for me but since you said .308 I'd say NDM86 in .308 instead
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Posted: 12/27/2018 5:04:27 PM EDT
[#15]
scar
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Posted: 12/27/2018 5:28:00 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got a DPMS GII, I like it, but haven't had it or shot nearly enough to say it's good to go. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 5:28:57 PM EDT
[#17]
AR10 hands down
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Posted: 12/27/2018 5:29:59 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
While I love my Stg I think any quality AR10 style rifle would be a better choice. If budget is a factor then I’d say FAL Galil etc |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 5:30:40 PM EDT
[#19]
Shit hit the fan ,I'm coming with what I have , an M1A .
The sights are great , Swans#18 , whats not to like ? |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 7:14:03 PM EDT
[#20]
A CMP Service Grade .308/7.62 M1, built wiith all USGI in-spec critical parts.
Yeah, it'll have a 'commercial' Criterion barrel, but those are very accurate. Whether the stock is USGI or commercial is irrelevant, as long as it facilitates a tight lock-up, and the rifle otherwise runs hitch-free. A NON-mag fed .308 M1 is also the least likely semi-auto rifle to be on anyone's 'Ban List' in the near-future. That's why everyone who shoots should have at least ONE M1 Garand in their gunsafe. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 7:49:27 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
an LMT MWS. There may be other large-frame ARs that are reliable and durable, but I've owned an MWS and it was rock-solid dependable as well as unbelievably accurate. an M1A with USGI parts an FAL or a G3 (properly assembled from parts kits) |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 8:07:07 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
This thead caused me to consider replacing the MWS I sold several years ago. Think I bought it for $2100 or so, sold it for $2400 or so. Based on Gunbroker searches, is the MWS now a $3k gun? |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 9:34:22 PM EDT
[#23]
Scar 17s. Lighter than most others and still plenty accurate and reliable.
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:29:35 AM EDT
[#24]
LMT MWS is a fine gun, until you have to carry it around for any length of time.
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Posted: 12/28/2018 9:26:49 AM EDT
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I'm strongly considering my POF Revolution:
A piston-operated 308 that is the same size as an AR15, and weighs about 7.5 pounds with excellent accuracy. I was shooting off-hand at 100 meters putting all rounds on a pie-plate with rapid fire and it wasn't recoiling any more than my son's AR15...quite impressive. As to parts? Well, there are some "proprietary" parts that I've already stocked, and many parts are AR15 compatible. There are concerns about longevity of the barrel given the AR15 diameter ring, but I don't think I'll be packing enough 308 to engage in multiple firefights regardless of the platform. With the weight (with optics), it's a much more feasible 308 platform to carry around. If I'm looking for a fight, I would rather opt for one of my FALs or my M1A... ROCK6 |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 9:52:52 AM EDT
[#26]
M14.
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Posted: 12/28/2018 10:31:11 AM EDT
[#27]
I've had two M1As, an inch pattern L1A1 (FAL) and a AR10...for mounting optics the AR10... just stock up on magazines that work
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Posted: 12/28/2018 11:11:20 AM EDT
[#28]
Throwing another vote in for the Right Arm of the Free World. FAL ftw
Have no questions about my M1A though |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 11:31:16 AM EDT
[#29]
Saiga or Vepr.
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Posted: 12/28/2018 11:32:47 AM EDT
[#30]
M14 (probably more reliable than FAL in clean conditions, but not good at sand/mud) |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 5:01:19 PM EDT
[#31]
Reliability can be determined in different ways, I guess. If you're just going off the basis of running ammo with no malfunctions then a FAL, G3, etc., should all be very reliable. The FAL has a nice adjustable gas system that you can adjust for all different types of ammo. My PTR GI that I used to have (G3 clone) ran every sort of garbage, crap ammo I put in it from dirty ass ammo to steel case BS. Never had one malfunction in that gun ever.
If we're talking about a gun that can handle harsh environments the best then I'd say the G3 or SCAR. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 5:04:22 PM EDT
[#32]
SCAR 17 or SR25 ACC
Both are light, accurate and very reliable. You want the best, these are the two to choose from. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 5:09:16 PM EDT
[#33]
M1A for me without question.
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Posted: 12/28/2018 8:43:40 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
LMT MWS is a fine gun, until you have to carry it around for any length of time. My other 'no-issues' 7.62/.308 is a CMP 'Special' M1 Garand. The S.A. receiver was mated to a Criterion barrel, but the rifle was otherwise built with all USGI parts (plus I keep a well-stocked USGI parts-kit for my M1s that includes OP rods). To date, this M1 has had about 900-rds shot through it, and I can attest the Criterion barrel is VERY accurate! So maybe a similar .308/7.62 M1 Garand is a possible option for the O.P. to consider. |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 2:44:12 PM EDT
[#35]
AR, G3, or FAL... one of those 3, provided they are all quality rifles.
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Posted: 12/30/2018 12:18:11 AM EDT
[#36]
Budget?
I’ve owned all the major “battle” rifles and the 17S is my favorite. |
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Posted: 12/30/2018 12:48:23 AM EDT
[#37]
I had a century arms CETME that was dead nuts reliable, never jammed , was capable of very good groups at 100 yards ( the farthest range I had access to) all with shitty Indian .308. I only sold it to standardize on 5.56 ARs. But it was a solid shooter. Someone here on ARF got a good rifle.
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Posted: 12/30/2018 12:58:46 AM EDT
[#38]
FAL.
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Posted: 12/30/2018 12:36:56 PM EDT
[#39]
Hands down SCAR 17. I have a all USGI M1a, Imbel FAL built by Mark Graham, LWRC Repr, PTR 91 and a SCAR 17. The SCAR does everything the others do better, in a lighter weight package that is optics ready, and more ergonomic.
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Posted: 12/30/2018 12:46:46 PM EDT
[#40]
The HK G3 is pretty bullet proof. As is the FAL. And the SCAR, and quality AR10s such as KAC SR25 CC and PC, LMT MWS, and DD5.
The key factor in longevity is having spare parts and being able to repair/replace at an armorer level. HK barrel replacement requires a hydraulic press and jigs/fixtures. G3 parts have become more scarce and expensive. Weighing all factors, the LMT MWS with a factory LW barrel or FN SCAR17 are what I would buy for the long haul. You can easily buy spares for both, albeit at much higher expense for the SCAR than the MWS. And whatever you choose, start buying spare parts- several bolts, firing pins, action springs, barrels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
LMT MWS is a fine gun, until you have to carry it around for any length of time. |
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Posted: 12/30/2018 1:57:25 PM EDT
[#41]
G3 without question.....
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Posted: 12/30/2018 4:14:18 PM EDT
[#42]
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FALs may have been budget rifles decades ago... not anymore. Kits and receivers alone are pushing $500/600 each Forrest |
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Posted: 12/30/2018 5:05:20 PM EDT
[#43]
Either of these.
I sold my Galil AR .308 to purchase this.  " />
Or this new Galil ACE. If it's anything like the original Galil AR that I had, then it will be much more reliable, dependable, and accurate than any of the three original Belgium FN FAL rifles that I owned in the last 30 years.  " />
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Posted: 12/30/2018 5:11:38 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
A CMP Service Grade .308/7.62 M1, built wiith all USGI in-spec critical parts. Yeah, it'll have a 'commercial' Criterion barrel, but those are very accurate. Whether the stock is USGI or commercial is irrelevant, as long as it facilitates a tight lock-up, and the rifle otherwise runs hitch-free. A NON-mag fed .308 M1 is also the least likely semi-auto rifle to be on anyone's 'Ban List' in the near-future. That's why everyone who shoots should have at least ONE M1 Garand in their gunsafe.  Least likely to be on anyone's Ban List??? You're forgetting one of the gun banner's favorite talking points .................. "Weapon of WAR!!!"  The M1 Garand is one rifle that actually has been designed and used a as legitimate "Weapon of War."  Anyway, do you seriously think that democrat gun banners really want to stop after banning all the other so-called "Assault Rifles?" Or even stop at going after hunting guns?
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Posted: 12/30/2018 11:40:13 PM EDT
[#45]
I don't own one, but a SCAR would be my choice if money was no option. I'll have to be poor somewhere else and grab one of my home built 308 AR's if the need arises. They are more capable than I am.
I love my M1's, and M1A's....much the way I love old tractors, and cars. They can still get it done, but they are out classed by the new stuff. |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 8:16:45 AM EDT
[#46]
SHTF? FN SCAR 17 or a KAC SR25. SCAR is still the most reliable and dependable gun that BFLV has ever used.
FAl, G3/PTR 91, M1A are all fine but based on 1940s tech and materials. I'd go SCAR 17 hands down or a LMT/KAC if you wanted a large frame AR platform. /thread. Leave the FAL, G3/PTR 91, and M1A for the collectors and those with nostalgia. |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 2:07:22 PM EDT
[#47]
Probably a FAL, but 308 ARs have come a long way in recent years.
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Posted: 1/3/2019 7:33:34 PM EDT
[#48]
Armalite AR10A
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Posted: 1/3/2019 7:45:35 PM EDT
[#49]
SCAR17
AR10 M14/M1a FAL G3 In that order. FAL ranks so low only because they lack on accuracy. G3 because while the roller lock is good life expectancy and maintenance of the system make it less than stellar in the long haul without armorer access. M14/M1a ranks higher because of the accuracy they are capable of compared to FAL. |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 8:16:16 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
SCAR17 AR10 M14/M1a FAL G3 In that order. FAL ranks so low only because they lack on accuracy. G3 because while the roller lock is good life expectancy and maintenance of the system make it less than stellar in the long haul without armorer access. M14/M1a ranks higher because of the accuracy they are capable of compared to FAL. |
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