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Posted: 2/1/2024 10:22:05 AM EDT
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Vyper Pro and 50 Deg Lenses | JRH & Photonis Defense | Shot Show 2024 Thanks to our friends at Arf for the excellent work on this video- Wes and the crew did great, thanks again! See post further down for testing! |
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The 50 degree setup looks pretty good. Is there any degradation of image with it around the edges or is it as good as the current setups?
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Looked much better than the other options I've seen in 50 degree.
Photonis had a dark room set up and were demonstrating them, you could definitely tell the difference. Should have some inbound and will try to post more pics and a comparison as soon as they arrive and we get them built into some systems. |
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Very interesting, so you could take any night vision with PVS14 optics and swap or just build from the start with these 50 degree lenses. Would the cost for the 50 degree lenses be notably more?
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Under $1000. for a set of obj/eyepiece.
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Very interesting, so you could take any night vision with PVS14 optics and swap or just build from the start with these 50 degree lenses. Would the cost for the 50 degree lenses be notably more? View Quote Yes you could buy your own and swap your own out, or have someone do it for you. |
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I'm excited for these. I probably won't have the money required to buy them for a while but I'd love to squeeze some more FOV out of my pvs-14, especially if the performance hits with previously available models of expanded eye relief lenses
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These would work with any dual setup that uses -14 tubes right? So Katanas, RNVG, etc?
@Lowdown Do you plan on offering an upgrade service? Do you think it's worth the ~2k cost for binos or are you reserving judgement until you've spent more time with them? |
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Originally Posted By -Jonny-: ~2k cost for binos View Quote It should be <$1k for a pair of objective lenses, so not $2k. I think it could absolutely be worth it to squeeze more performance out of a dual housing especially since standard Carson glass is ~$700 IIRC - but having seen a lot of different lens coatings and whatnot I'm not gonna be the first in line. |
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Originally Posted By -Jonny-: These would work with any dual setup that uses -14 tubes right? So Katanas, RNVG, etc? @Lowdown Do you plan on offering an upgrade service? Do you think it's worth the ~2k cost for binos or are you reserving judgement until you've spent more time with them? View Quote Should have some in hand in the next week. They will be just under $1,000. for an objective and eyepiece. Pretty impressed with what I saw at the show, but we will be doing more testing with them in the next few weeks as well. Happy to upgrade any units we have produced, sell sets of obj/eyepiece to individuals for DIY purposes, etc. |
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Originally Posted By ThatGuy01: It should be <$1k for a pair of objective lenses, so not $2k. I think it could absolutely be worth it to squeeze more performance out of a dual housing especially since standard Carson glass is ~$700 IIRC - but having seen a lot of different lens coatings and whatnot I'm not gonna be the first in line. View Quote I thought that cost estimate was for an objective lens and an ocular lens; i.e. for one tube? |
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This is turning out ot be a pretty cool year for Night Vision.
This might be the most exciting SHOT Show for Night Vision I can remember in a long time. With the VCSELs the 50 degree lenses, all the new aluminium ruggedized housings and I don't know if you guys saw the new adjustable low stow aluminum J-Arms or Nocturn Industries new low pro mount that looks like it can give the Wlicox's a run for their money. I gotta say, I'm pretty pleased with everything I've ben seeing. I think the civilian night vision world is going to really go strong this year. Hopefully, we'll see more and more guys getting into night vision for MILSIM, hunting, and training. I bet the night vision training guys are seeing their 2024 classes filling up fast this year. Now, if we can just get some civilian ranges that would cater to night vision guys. Love for it to be the norm that every bro had at least a PVS14. |
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: This is turning out ot be a pretty cool year for Night Vision. This might be the most exciting SHOT Show for Night Vision I can remember in a long time. With the VCSELs the 50 degree lenses, all the new aluminium ruggedized housings and I don't know if you guys saw the new adjustable low stow aluminum J-Arms or Nocturn Industries new low pro mount that looks like it can give the Wlicox's a run for their money. I gotta say, I'm pretty pleased with everything I've ben seeing. I think the civilian night vision world is going to really go strong this year. Hopefully, we'll see more and more guys getting into night vision for MILSIM, hunting, and training. I bet the night vision training guys are seeing their 2024 classes filling up fast this year. Now, if we can just get some civilian ranges that would cater to night vision guys. Love for it to be the norm that every bro had at least a PVS14. View Quote Hoping for a force to overcome version also, not a fan of the button release set ups... |
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I stand corrected on the pricing - I understood it as just the objectives. Does the system require both to work properly?
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Originally Posted By ThatGuy01: I stand corrected on the pricing - I understood it as just the objectives. Does the system require both to work properly? View Quote I'll build one with just the obj for shiz and giggles when we get them and try to report back, However they are sold as a set, i.e, can't just buy one or other. |
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So if I had purchased the BNVD with photonis tubes from you, the cost to get 50 degree field of view would be approx $2000?
Really interested in these!! |
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I would be interested to look thru these, I had a set of the agm 50 degree binos. I liked them except the horrible flare from any light source. I really should get another set of binos, but they dont do much for me. I actually put a wp in the left eye and a gp in the right, i could not tell. My brain just kind of ignores my left eye.
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Got our first shipment of Boomslang lenses in Friday.
I've been saving two tubes that were nearly identical specifically for testing these lenses. We installed them in PVS14s for this test. Data on the tubes- *System 0321966 has a resolution of 76, SN of 32.2 and Ebi of 1.36 A standard Carson kit with "Carson" (Fujinon) glass was used *System 0321967 has a resolution of 76, SN of 32.2 and Ebi of 1.44 A standard Carson kit was used however the "Carson" glass was removed and Boomslang lenses were used (Obj & Eyepiece) Both tubes are Elbit Systems of America VH grade WP 11769 format. How we did the testing- We started with a measured distance from similar objects. At our range we put two exact same size target backers the exact distance from each other. We measured to be sure each backer was the same distance from each other on the target racks. We then set up two shooting tripods and again measured to be sure the distance was the same from each target backer to the tripod where the 14s would be placed. So the idea was to compare two almost identical tubes at the same exact distance from the target backers which were checked to be sure they were the same distance apart. Shows the two tripods in place and waiting for the sun to go down..... We put paper targets on each backer (backers were used recently for a class and we didn't want any confusion) and marked each target with a number- 1 through 4. This was done in pair via lining one tripod up with the center of targets 1 and 2 and the other tripod lined up with the targets marked 3 and 4. NOTE- our PVS14 to Iphone camera adapter evidently broke recently, I was able to hold the camera adapter and Iphone up to the eyepiece, any distortion of the normal circular view is ME trying to hold it up and get a good pic. First up is the PVS14 with standard PVS14 "Carson" glass- Next is the PVS14 with the Boomslang 50 degree FOV lenses- Next we moved the PVS14 with the Boomsland 50 degree FOV lenses to the tripod that held the regular 14- which previously was centered on targets marked 3 and 4 The above pic is a better representation than the first pic, again due to ME holding the camera adapter up to the eyepiece. We then placed each unit on the same tripod individually. Looking back towards the back of the square range area, I tried to place the right edge of the FOV of each lens on the front tire of the Ranger for a better idea of how the view opens up at a little more distance. This is roughly 25 yards. First the PVS14 with standard lenses- Next the PVS14 with the Boomslang lenses with the same angle, same tripod facing the Ranger Spent another 20-30 minutes walking around the range with the PVS14 with the Boomslang lenses. I will be adding these lenses to a couple of my personal dual tube sets also, will report back more after using them more in duals. |
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Excellent feedback so far, thank you. How was eye relief compared to Carson glass?
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My god!
That's a drastic amount more to see IMO. Is the image clear to the edges like the regular ones? |
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Curious on eye relief and eyebox as well, it'd make or break the design.
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Robert,
Awesome pics bud. Thank you. Is there any noticeable fisheye/distortion in the boomslang lenses? |
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Originally Posted By Nobody69s: My god! That's a drastic amount more to see IMO. Is the image clear to the edges like the regular ones? View Quote This is the single question on all minds. My guess is that there will be some quality sacrifice to provide the wider image. If the sacrifice is not too bad, I'd say it could be worth it. Let us know! |
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You can kinda tell from the pics that there really isn't any major distortion on the edges. The tubes used were both pretty clean as far as that goes also.
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Very interesting. Could a pair of these be installed on an RNVG?
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Definitely an impressive improvement over the standard lens! Even if you do get a little bluriness on the edges (which doesnt appear to be the case from the pics) Id still rather have the extra visibility. Thanks for the pics!
ETA: wanted to say more |
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17mm on the eye relief.
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Does the image get shrunk down as if it were .75x? Or is it just a legitimately larger image, in the way a large format camera sensor works vs a crop sensor and is still 1x? Hopefully it's clear what I'm asking.
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Originally Posted By DR2341: Does the image get shrunk down as if it were .75x? Or is it just a legitimately larger image, in the way a large format camera sensor works vs a crop sensor and is still 1x? Hopefully it's clear what I'm asking. View Quote Not 100% sure what your asking, but the pics I posted are pretty damn representative of what you see with the naked eye. |
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Yes.
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What is the weight on these?
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Good question- I'll throw some on the scale when I get into the shop in the a.m. and post it up. I think it might be mentioned by Phil in the video also. In the OP.
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Originally Posted By TheKnuckle: What is the weight on these? View Quote Might still want to verify though. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By DR2341: Does the image get shrunk down as if it were .75x? Or is it just a legitimately larger image, in the way a large format camera sensor works vs a crop sensor and is still 1x? Hopefully it's clear what I'm asking. View Quote @lowdown @DR2341 What I think he means, does it look like looking thru a 4 power scope with a 100' FOV, then zooming back to 3 power with a 125'fov. More field of view but objects look smaller. As someone who had the agm50's, no there was no difference in size of objects. The difference is just the angle of light admitted to the front and the angle of light sent out the back. Thats why it needs to be both lenses swapped not one or the other they work together. The one "flaw" is when you do something like this you loose resolution. 25% wider angle on the lens, 25% reduction in resolution ( not exact math i think ). The explanation, lets make some numbers up. Lets say the front of the tube objective is 20mm, with a resolution of 60 lines per mm ( easy math ) that gives 1200 lines across the entire objective. If that is divided in to a 40 degree fov you get 30 lines per degree. if you then change that to a 50 degree fov you get 24 lines per degree. This is what I saw with the agm 50's, anything under 50 feet it did not really matter, get out to 100 feet and you could see it. Get out to 200 feet and a 2-3 inch tree could disappear and reappear when I moved my head. 24 lines per 60 min of angle, 2 inches is 2.5 moa roughly at 200 feet, and under 1/2 line per moa ( 24/60=.4 ) add in the crappy agm lenses. something disappearing over 3 or 4 lines over a spread of 1200 lines is possible. Its like loosing a few pixels on a tv, sure you might notice it on some back grounds but not all. I think I got the math right above |
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Don't really have any experience with agm night vision personally but had a guy bring one with "50 degree" lenses to class one time. Was not impressed with those lenses, they were kinda wonky.
The Boomslang are nothing at all like that. |
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Originally Posted By Lowdown3: Don't really have any experience with agm night vision personally but had a guy bring one with "50 degree" lenses to class one time. Was not impressed with those lenses, they were kinda wonky. The Boomslang are nothing at all like that. View Quote Yes they where bad with any kind of light source and flair, but with no lights close they where fine. But there was a loss of resolution and your pics of those seem to show it as well. Assuming the pics are accurate. I would honestly really like going back to 50 degree lenses. It almost makes the idea of a new bino housing with those lenses make sense because I could sell my complete -14 housings with glass. I am running the one pano bridge for 2 -14s right now to have a wider fov |
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Originally Posted By StaccatoC2: Yes they where bad with any kind of light source and flair, but with no lights close they where fine. But there was a loss of resolution and your pics of those seem to show it as well. Assuming the pics are accurate. I would honestly really like going back to 50 degree lenses. It almost makes the idea of a new bino housing with those lenses make sense because I could sell my complete -14 housings with glass. I am running the one pano bridge for 2 -14s right now to have a wider fov View Quote Photonis said they had to sacrifice a little center resolution. In real usage though it's hard to say at this point how much impact that will have. NocturnalityGear Instagram post |
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Might be a dumb question but with all the talk of dualsi is there gonna be any problems running this in a single tube setup?
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The pics of the testing are utilizing PVS14 (single tube) devices.
Also, just put some Boomslang into one of my personal Katana units and will report back after running them this weekend. |
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This looks like a promising upgrade to help bridge the gap between a 14 and dual tubes. I'm not suggesting it as a replacement.
I've always felt like a single tube isn't good enough, but the dual tube cost is hard to swallow for a personally owned device. |
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I saw that but wondered if it would cause some weird visual effect if only done in one eye. Weren’t they designed to fix visual issues from running duals? Thought I’d read that somewhere.
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Not sure I understand what you mean with that part- i.e, designed to just be used in duals.
I'll try to alternate PVS14 and Katanas with Boomslang the next couple nights and report back. |
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