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Posted: 7/25/2018 2:43:28 PM EDT
http://www.recoilweb.com/sionyx-night-vision-camera-at-outdoor-retailer-139870.html#ixzz5MCQW21iE
Has anybody checked these out? I've been waiting to see the digital color night vision in a form factor small enough to be head-mounted. Are we finally there? |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 2:19:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwglen: While it isn't LAG, I do get some LCD smear as I pan my sport across a background. Sionyx is a great low-light camera that people adapted to use as night vision. It works really well in situato where you don't care about being an IR emitter. It's main advantage is it isn't going to ruin your NVG is you leave it on or look at a bright light. It is also good for travel and doesn't have any export restrictions for overseas. You can use it with a standard PVS J-Arm, but it will only go over one eye (I think it was left) and will be close to a 45 degree angle do you are seeing a crooked screen. You can still shoot and move, but it's weird. I was a bargain at the $350 intro price. It doesn't come close to my PVS-7. If they could come out with a PRO, in a ruggedized PVS-14 format (or close), that could use standard night vision mounts, I would be very interested. Yes, my OG/Sport binos had a more pronounced screen refresh - the Pro is less, somehow - they don't say what the change was. No IR need be emitted down to NL4 for the Pro - NL5, yes, definitely. It's pretty rugged at IP67 - water, dust and recoil shock rated (except Sport for recoil). Definitely not *as* tough - but not dainty either. Even has a sacrificial lens, LOL (actual camera lens is inside). J-Arm is janky  Lion's Gear, Wilcox (or Replica), or Kiloohm are the way. All the other stuff - yup, for sure, 100% |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 7:04:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gaspain]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: Somebody needs to come out with one of these. Maybe if they get more popular. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33962/12225_Aimpoint_Rubber_Cover_Black_Profil-2104612.JPG I tried. I gave up molding. Was very difficult. Also it made it too "fat". I'll license the design if someone wants to make it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 8:32:13 PM EDT
[#3]
So is the pro worth the extra money? I want to know if the price is worth it?
This will be for rare use. Going to my tree stand. Shtf. Etc. |
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Posted: 9/25/2021 11:31:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 20229mm: So is the pro worth the extra money? I want to know if the price is worth it? This will be for rare use. Going to my tree stand. Shtf. Etc. Definitely worth it. I didn't think there would be until I compared a Pro and a Black side by side. There's a substantial difference in the sensitivity. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2021 11:40:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wwglen]
[#6]
For me, I decided to get a used Gen3 PVS-7 for a little bit more than the Pro and the cost of the adaptors needed to get the Pro to fit my helmet.
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Posted: 9/30/2021 12:01:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JoeJeeps]
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A couple questions:
1) Are we still on firmware version 1.32? 2) If I don't use my cameras for awhile they seem to lose charge over time even though they are connected to an external battery pack that still has juice. What's the trick to making these things draw from the battery pack as needed? |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 12:21:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeJeeps: 2) If I don't use my cameras for awhile they seem to lose charge over time even though they are connected to an external battery pack that still has juice. What's the trick to making these things draw from the battery pack as needed? Does the battery pack support trickle charging? Are you sure you have that mode turned on? Most battery packs are designed to stop putting out juice once a connected device is fully charged. |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 12:28:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaTrueDave: Does the battery pack support trickle charging? Are you sure you have that mode turned on? Most battery packs are designed to stop putting out juice once a connected device is fully charged. No idea. I just bought what was suggested in this thread and hooked it up.   Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 5:37:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2021 7:58:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAwesome. Thanks! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/30/2021 8:07:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Juicespeare1]
[#12]
Has anyone recently done a budget helmet build (monocular) with one of the Sport models?
I already have the Sport and have had it for more than a year now, but am finally interested in a budget helmet and mount which would allow me to use the Sport with either left or right eye. Just wondering which components would be best for a budget build. |
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Posted: 9/30/2021 8:33:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Juicespeare1: Has anyone recently done a budget helmet build (monocular) with one of the Sport models? I already have the Sport and have had it for more than a year now, but am finally interested in a budget helmet and mount which would allow me to use the Sport with either left or right eye. Just wondering which components would be best for a budget build. Most budget way would be a SOTAC L4G24 and one of the Kiloohm mounts. Other options for a mount are a RHINO II off eBay and a Dovetail Conversion Plate from TNVC/Own The Night. Other Bridges are the Lion's Gear or the SOTAC Wilcox Replica (for this one, you also need the M24 FLIR Shoe from Own the Night). Helmets are endless. The PTS MTEK FLUX is nice, but any FMA/TMC replica will work. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/30/2021 11:44:33 PM EDT
[#14]
Which way would you go if you had to do it?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/30/2021 11:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: Most budget way would be a SOTAC L4G24 and one of the Kiloohm mounts. Other options for a mount are a RHINO II off eBay and a Dovetail Conversion Plate from TNVC/Own The Night. Other Bridges are the Lion's Gear or the SOTAC Wilcox Replica (for this one, you also need the M24 FLIR Shoe from Own the Night). Helmets are endless. The PTS MTEK FLUX is nice, but any FMA/TMC replica will work. Which way would you do it? |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 8:19:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Juicespeare1: Which way would you do it? I went SOTAC / HM L4G24, SOTAC Wilcox Replica Bridge, and M24 FLIR Shoes. Articulation is nice to have. The Lion's Gear also articulates, and you don't need the FLIR Shoes for it, but I never used his newer MACHOS, as I already had the Wilcox bridge. These are not the "Budget" options though. I have an HHV Ballistic, and two PTS MTEK's.  
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Posted: 10/1/2021 9:43:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Juicespeare1: Which way would you do it? I have both: the modified Rhino 2 on my ballistic helmet and the fake SOTAC on my bump helmet. The Rhino 2 setup is more expensive but tougher than the less expensive China copy of the Wilcox. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2021 11:19:22 AM EDT
[#18]
Good deal.
Thanks guys. I purchased the following early this morning: SC L4G24 from Amazon, hope it's as good as the Sotac Kiloohm MK2B mount in case I decide to get another Sionyx PTS MTEK FLUX helmet Do I need anything else? |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 1:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Juicespeare1: Good deal. Thanks guys. I purchased the following early this morning: SC L4G24 from Amazon, hope it's as good as the Sotac Kiloohm MK2B mount in case I decide to get another Sionyx PTS MTEK FLUX helmet Do I need anything else? Well, unless you only need about 2hrs run-time, an Anker 10K Battery with Trickle mode (heard they don't make the 13 or 15 anymore?), a 2ft USB cable with 90 degree plug (SUNGUYS on Amazon IIRC) and a Counterweight Pouch. Use the search feature or Goggle site search to find all the relevant info. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2021 1:53:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Juicespeare1]
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Here's what I've ordered in case anyone else needs links or coupon/discount codes valid right now.
One 15% coupon code for the helmet below. $10 off for SC L4G24 mount right now for Prime members. Again, thanks for all the help guys. 1.) SC Mount ($10 off right now with Amazon coupon for Prime members) 2.) Kiloohm MK2B mount in case I decide to get another Sionyx and one IRdark eyecup 3.) PTS MTEK FLUX helmet with a coupon 15% code of: LITEROCOLA 4.) 2ft Micro USB Cables 5.) Helmet Battery Pouch Counterweight Pouch 6.) 2 x Anker PowerCore Slim 10000mAh Battery Pack Very good price right now. BTW, I forgot to mention I already have several IR flashlights, a couple of cheap ones and a couple of more pricey ones. I also made an IR laser pointer/flashlight which was posted back on page 28. @gaspain or @mickdonaldson you posted a few images and video I sent you. I forgot who posted them for me, sorry about that. |
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Posted: 10/1/2021 9:59:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: glklvr]
[#21]
If you've been waiting, now's the time: Sionyx flash sale. Pro $799, no membership anywhere needed.
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Posted: 10/1/2021 10:11:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: If you've been waiting, now's the time: Sionyx flash sale. Pro $799, no membership anywhere needed. I've got the regular Aurora but this has me tempted. I see it also comes with their "illumination kit". I have recently gotten access to property for night shooting so I can finally put my Aurora to the test. I need to decide if I want to go Pro or save the money for another NV/thermal setup. |
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Posted: 10/2/2021 8:25:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: I've got the regular Aurora but this has me tempted. I see it also comes with their "illumination kit". I have recently gotten access to property for night shooting so I can finally put my Aurora to the test. I need to decide if I want to go Pro or save the money for another NV/thermal setup. Without help from an Illuminator, your original is good to about Half Moon (or like) levels of ambient light/skyglow (NL2, *maybe* upper NL3). The Pro is good to NL4, which is ~Moonless Starlight in the open. If that helps your decision. |
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Posted: 10/3/2021 12:27:33 PM EDT
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Not sure if it's a good price or not, but Eurooptic.com has the pro on sale for $799. EuroOptic is otherwise good to go.
EuroOptic Link |
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Posted: 10/5/2021 9:49:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sabre331]
[#25]
Fwiw, I mounted a primary arms SLx 1x micro prism in front of the Aurora on my x95 along with an inforce 700 lumen w/ir light, the SLx works perfectly with it
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Posted: 10/6/2021 3:17:00 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sabre331: Fwiw, I mounted a primary arms SLx 1x micro prism in front of the Aurora on my x95 along with an inforce 700 lumen w/ir light, the SLx works perfectly with it https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/31920/6AD24B99-FDB0-4DDD-9630-D1E065DFFB86_jpe-2119910.JPG Sweet! Nice job. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:29:05 PM EDT
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Has anyone tried the Aurora (Pro or otherwise) through a T2?
I can't see the dot through mine unless I turn the setting up to where I can see it with my eyes. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 10/6/2021 8:39:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rooster-X]
[#28]
Had to share
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Posted: 10/7/2021 3:55:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blwngazkit: Has anyone tried the Aurora (Pro or otherwise) through a T2? I can't see the dot through mine unless I turn the setting up to where I can see it with my eyes. turn it up to whatever, it won't damage the Sionyx if that is your concern. Not like analogs. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 8:58:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blwngazkit: Has anyone tried the Aurora (Pro or otherwise) through a T2? I can't see the dot through mine unless I turn the setting up to where I can see it with my eyes. Are you in 'Night Mode'? (Scene Ring, right behind Focus Ring). That would be very odd - I have stuff with NV settings that are still too bright with Auroras. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 11:43:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: Are you in 'Night Mode'? (Scene Ring, right behind Focus Ring). That would be very odd - I have stuff with NV settings that are still too bright with Auroras. I am in Night Mode. It's not really a problem, I just figured it was a quirk of Digital vs Gen3 stuff. Maybe it's a problem with my Aimpoint T2? I can't really see the dot inside unless I'm on setting 8 and even that's pretty dim. This is a fresh battery. I also have a PA Advanced Red Dot from a few years ago (Gen 1), and even on that one I can't see the dot through the Aurora unless I can also see it with my eyes. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 12:43:00 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sabre331: Fwiw, I mounted a primary arms SLx 1x micro prism in front of the Aurora on my x95 along with an inforce 700 lumen w/ir light, the SLx works perfectly with it https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/31920/6AD24B99-FDB0-4DDD-9630-D1E065DFFB86_jpe-2119910.JPG |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 12:49:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mickdonaldson]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blwngazkit: I am in Night Mode. It's not really a problem, I just figured it was a quirk of Digital vs Gen3 stuff. Maybe it's a problem with my Aimpoint T2? I can't really see the dot inside unless I'm on setting 8 and even that's pretty dim. This is a fresh battery. I also have a PA Advanced Red Dot from a few years ago (Gen 1), and even on that one I can't see the dot through the Aurora unless I can also see it with my eyes. What Aurora do you have? I have Pro's, and just grabbed a brand new PA SLx 1x Compact that I haven't mounted yet. The Reticle is invisible to the naked eye in the dark, but visible on NV1 through the Pro. So If you have a Classic/Black/Sport - that may be it? If it's a Pro, you have me stumped. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 12:56:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blwngazkit: I am in Night Mode. It's not really a problem, I just figured it was a quirk of Digital vs Gen3 stuff. Maybe it's a problem with my Aimpoint T2? I can't really see the dot inside unless I'm on setting 8 and even that's pretty dim. This is a fresh battery. I also have a PA Advanced Red Dot from a few years ago (Gen 1), and even on that one I can't see the dot through the Aurora unless I can also see it with my eyes. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 1:40:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: What Aurora do you have? I have Pro's, and just grabbed a brand new PA SLx 1x Compact that I haven't mounted yet. The Reticle is invisible to the naked eye in the dark, but visible on NV1 through the Pro. So If you have a Classic/Black/Sport - that may be it? If it's a Pro, you have me stumped. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: Originally Posted By blwngazkit: I am in Night Mode. It's not really a problem, I just figured it was a quirk of Digital vs Gen3 stuff. Maybe it's a problem with my Aimpoint T2? I can't really see the dot inside unless I'm on setting 8 and even that's pretty dim. This is a fresh battery. I also have a PA Advanced Red Dot from a few years ago (Gen 1), and even on that one I can't see the dot through the Aurora unless I can also see it with my eyes. What Aurora do you have? I have Pro's, and just grabbed a brand new PA SLx 1x Compact that I haven't mounted yet. The Reticle is invisible to the naked eye in the dark, but visible on NV1 through the Pro. So If you have a Classic/Black/Sport - that may be it? If it's a Pro, you have me stumped. The Pro. I'm pretty sure I still have a Vortex Spark Gen 2 in a box somewhere. I'll dig that out and try that one as well. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:57:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mickdonaldson]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blwngazkit: The Pro. I'm pretty sure I still have a Vortex Spark Gen 2 in a box somewhere. I'll dig that out and try that one as well. I was on Video at 360p/30, Gray Scale, HDR ON if that matters. Probably Gain at 0.0, but I don't remember. Doesn't really matter though - if you need viz 1 or 2, it still won't be seen from downrange. It is weird though. I'll look through my BNVD-SGs too - to see the diff. Edit: Just checked out my Type II RMR w/6 MOA Dot. It has one NV setting. I can see it with the Pro, but like the Holosun 508T mentioned above, it is dim - I'd go up to Viz 1 to use it (and have, just didn't remember the exact setting) Then I threw on my BNVD-SGs w/Elbit SLH Tubes - it was usable on NV 1. So (expectedly) the Pro isn't as sensitive as Gen 3 Analog (duh ). Since all mfgs key the settings to Analog, but there's no standard (I assume), it'll be hit or miss on how bright any optics NV settings are, on the Aurora. Just use Viz 1 - no one can detect it.
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Posted: 10/13/2021 1:57:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mickdonaldson]
[#37]
VF1 Systems has Aurora wraps from Nocorium - pretty damn cool, and easy to apply. Didn't even need to remove the M24 FLIR Shoe. Pro in Desert Night Camo with an MH25 Dual Band:
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Posted: 10/13/2021 3:40:15 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: VF1 Systems has Aurora wraps from Nocorium - pretty damn cool, and easy to apply. Didn't even need to remove the M24 FLIR Shoe. Pro in Desert Night Camo with an MH25 Dual Band: https://i.imgur.com/pYidRHL.jpg nice. VF1 is good to go |
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USA
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Posted: 10/13/2021 6:42:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ar15city]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: VF1 Systems has Aurora wraps from Nocorium - pretty damn cool, and easy to apply. Didn't even need to remove the M24 FLIR Shoe. Pro in Desert Night Camo with an MH25 Dual Band: https://i.imgur.com/pYidRHL.jpg Are you sure those nice wraps don't void the Sionyx warranty like spray painting? Been thinking about a Pro but the rapper gold finish wasn't too attractive, spray painting it might void the warranty, maybe you've solved that problem if the wraps come off like gaffers tape. Any word for a new improved model better than the Pro, or hope for Balck Friday sales to bring the Pro price down? That $800-ish price for the Pro is still a sticker shock from the original $350-ish price! Many might still be debating, if it better to invest that $800+ into the lowest price pvs14 or go Sionyx Pro until tech improves and prices come down or wait for a new improved model perhaps in the works and soon to be released. ETA @NITEWALKER If the KVC bridge is getting loose https://youtu.be/aiJgIdbXh9A?t=379 surprisingly only after a year's use in the civilian arena. Have you also tested the "airsoft" Sotac gear SM-2 bridge that some have recommended, to see how that compares, are we talking days, weeks or months? The Sotac has some weight to it compared to the featherweight KVC that has a top tier reputation compared to a largely airsoft supplier. |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 8:03:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15city: Are you sure those nice wraps don't void the Sionyx warranty like spray painting? Been thinking about a Pro but the rapper gold finish wasn't too attractive, spray painting it might void the warranty, maybe you've solved that problem if the wraps come off like gaffers tape. Any word for a new improved model better than the Pro, or hope for Balck Friday sales to bring the Pro price down? That $800-ish price for the Pro is still a sticker shock from the original $350-ish price! Many might still be debating, if it better to invest that $800+ into the lowest price pvs14 or go Sionyx Pro until tech improves and prices come down or wait for a new improved model perhaps in the works and soon to be released. Sport was $350 not the Pro, Pro introduced at $1000 |
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Posted: 10/13/2021 8:31:14 PM EDT
[#41]
The Pro color is muted, it's more like the gold/desert tan you see on a SCAR
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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:54:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15city: Are you sure those nice wraps don't void the Sionyx warranty like spray painting? Been thinking about a Pro but the rapper gold finish wasn't too attractive, spray painting it might void the warranty, maybe you've solved that problem if the wraps come off like gaffers tape. Any word for a new improved model better than the Pro, or hope for Balck Friday sales to bring the Pro price down? That $800-ish price for the Pro is still a sticker shock from the original $350-ish price! Many might still be debating, if it better to invest that $800+ into the lowest price pvs14 or go Sionyx Pro until tech improves and prices come down or wait for a new improved model perhaps in the works and soon to be released. I just wish they'd add an adjustable aiming reticle in a firmware update... Last I asked (over a year ago) the rep said they were "working on it" but who knows... |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 6:46:44 AM EDT
[#43]
Anyone with a BIG head try out the MTEK Flux offering? Other options? I've read a lot of the Amazon/ebay helmets run small
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2021 8:41:23 AM EDT
[#44]
IIRC this was the program Sionyx was involved with.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42739/army-halts-widely-hyped-multi-billion-dollar-advanced-augmented-reality-goggle-program |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 9:19:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mickdonaldson]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15city: Are you sure those nice wraps don't void the Sionyx warranty like spray painting? Been thinking about a Pro but the rapper gold finish wasn't too attractive, spray painting it might void the warranty, maybe you've solved that problem if the wraps come off like gaffers tape. Any word for a new improved model better than the Pro, or hope for Balck Friday sales to bring the Pro price down? That $800-ish price for the Pro is still a sticker shock from the original $350-ish price! Many might still be debating, if it better to invest that $800+ into the lowest price pvs14 or go Sionyx Pro until tech improves and prices come down or wait for a new improved model perhaps in the works and soon to be released. ETA @NITEWALKER If the KVC bridge is getting loose https://youtu.be/aiJgIdbXh9A?t=379 surprisingly only after a year's use in the civilian arena. Have you also tested the "airsoft" Sotac gear SM-2 bridge that some have recommended, to see how that compares, are we talking days, weeks or months? The Sotac has some weight to it compared to the featherweight KVC that has a top tier reputation compared to a largely airsoft supplier. Void the warranty? It's a sticker - they come off. The "Gold" is close to the same color as Wilcox "FDE" stuff (or yea, the SCAR, mentioned above). The Pro was Pre-Order at $799, it was never $350. Nobody but Sionyx employees know if a more sensitive sensor is coming. The Pro gets you NL4 performance for $800 - only you can decide if that fills your need, or if you should wait and save for a PVS-14. The SOTAC SM-2 has been in use for me, for ~2 years, yes, it's rock solid. It's even adjustable for the arm tension, worst case. Aluminum is not hi-tech, it's been around for 100+ years, and most of it, is in China. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 9:24:24 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killahalee: IIRC this was the program Sionyx was involved with. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42739/army-halts-widely-hyped-multi-billion-dollar-advanced-augmented-reality-goggle-program I recall them being awarded some .mil contracts in the past, hope they still get them. I can see those funds really helping R&D for better products. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2021 1:25:42 PM EDT
[#47]
agree. I cant wait to see where digital goes.
if i remember correctly this is the program that Sionyx is involved with. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/14/2021 1:28:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: killahalee]
[#48]
It is the project that was just canceled.
https://www.army-technology.com/news/sionyx-digital-night-vision-cameras/ SiOnyx to deliver digital night vision cameras for US Army 22 Jan 2019 The US Army has selected SiOnyx digital night vision cameras for its Integrated Visual Augmentation System (IVAS) project. |
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Posted: 10/14/2021 5:58:06 PM EDT
[#49]
A Pro showed up today, along with a couple other small related goodies. 48% moon illumination tonight, but near-total cloud cover. This'll be fun to test in the back yard.
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Posted: 10/14/2021 6:10:42 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By killahalee: It is the project that was just canceled. https://www.army-technology.com/news/sionyx-digital-night-vision-cameras/ SiOnyx to deliver digital night vision cameras for US Army 22 Jan 2019 The US Army has selected SiOnyx digital night vision cameras for its Integrated Visual Augmentation System (IVAS) project. It appears so. |
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