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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2018 2:43:28 PM EDT
http://www.recoilweb.com/sionyx-night-vision-camera-at-outdoor-retailer-139870.html#ixzz5MCQW21iE
Has anybody checked these out? I've been waiting to see the digital color night vision in a form factor small enough to be head-mounted. Are we finally there? |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 6:15:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KingRollo]
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Do these work with IR lasers and weapon lights?
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Posted: 1/22/2020 6:41:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingRollo:
Do these work with IR lasers and weapon lights? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2020 7:06:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: All I can tell you is that they are Pre-Order at $799 ea. and I bought two. They say they will ship end of April. 
If they didn't, I'll preorder two right now. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 7:16:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingRollo:
Do these work with IR lasers and weapon lights? But we need more stuff released in the 1050-1100nm spectrum range. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2020 7:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dace: Maybe if you are talking night fighters who enter dark rooms in scary parts of the world. TNVC also has a lot invested in analog doing well. But for the everyday person who needs it for outdoor use, hunting, self defense and SHTF digital capability is going to take off. It was and is only a matter of time. The question is once a major government gets involved it will take off even faster. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:02:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson:
No way to compensate with the mount at all? A smidge out/up/tilted? I hear ya - sometimes physical features don't cooperate!  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson:
Originally Posted By chaas67:
The large protrusion on the right, left when to mount it upside down digs into my nose. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:19:36 PM EDT
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Guys, the blown out disc in my neck is not going to let me use this thing. My whole helmet setup just went up on the ee. I’m sad now.
I don’t know how much lighter 14’s are but I doubt any NV is in my future till I deal with this damn disc. Anything longer than about 20 minutes kills me. Continue the good fight, these things are cool. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:23:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fishinnut1986:
Guys, the blown out disc in my neck is not going to let me use this thing. My whole helmet setup just went up on the ee. I’m sad now. I don’t know how much lighter 14’s are but I doubt any NV is in my future till I deal with this damn disc. Anything longer than about 20 minutes kills me. Continue the good fight, these things are cool. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:32:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gr8Santini:
Good setup for someone! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gr8Santini:
Originally Posted By fishinnut1986:
Guys, the blown out disc in my neck is not going to let me use this thing. My whole helmet setup just went up on the ee. I’m sad now. I don’t know how much lighter 14’s are but I doubt any NV is in my future till I deal with this damn disc. Anything longer than about 20 minutes kills me. Continue the good fight, these things are cool. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:42:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fishinnut1986: It should be, the HHV pads made the biggest difference in comfort. I would recommend them to anyone still using the styrofoam pads that come with these cheap helmets. |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 8:48:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gr8Santini: I wasn’t aware of the pads until I saw your ad in the EE. I’m ordering some now. Thanks |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 9:41:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gaspain]
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Voluntary Survey: IM ME, do not reply in this thread. I am weary of the competition spying
I'm working on the next version of the bridge mount. I have a CNC machine now!...which I am still learning to use. I won't say which model, but it can do 3 axis contouring at a fine resolution. 1-What material do you want to see in the next version? solid carbon fiber or 7075 aircraft aluminum or something else? *Carbon is much more painful to work with and costly. 7075 is very sturdy and is what most other bridges are made of. 2-other features? what's important to you? Also, I cannot infringe on any patent like the off shore guys do. So your wish may not come true as far as features. confirmed features: -easier pupillary adjustment -included dovetail |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 9:49:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Tomac]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain:
Voluntary Survey: I'm working on the next version of the bridge mount. I have a CNC machine now!...which I am still learning to use. I won't say which model, but it can do 3 axis contouring at a fine resolution. 1-What material do you want to see in the next version? solid carbon fiber for or 7075 aircraft aluminum or something else? *Carbon is much more painful to work with and costly. 7075 is very sturdy and is what most other bridges are made of. 2-other features? what's important to you? Also, I cannot infringe on any patent. So your wish may not come true as far as features. Tomac |
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Posted: 1/22/2020 10:00:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain:
Voluntary Survey: IM ME, do not reply to this thread. I am weary of the competition spying
I'm working on the next version of the bridge mount. I have a CNC machine now!...which I am still learning to use. I won't say which model, but it can do 3 axis contouring at a fine resolution. 1-What material do you want to see in the next version? solid carbon fiber for or 7075 aircraft aluminum or something else? *Carbon is much more painful to work with and costly. 7075 is very sturdy and is what most other bridges are made of. 2-other features? what's important to you? Also, I cannot infringe on any patent. So your wish may not come true as far as features. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2020 11:12:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By night9: Just throwing it out there that if you’re using one of these it’s very likely you’re using external IR illumination.. and any gen III+ device is going to see that like a beacon in the night come SHTF. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2020 11:13:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain:
Voluntary Survey: IM ME, do not reply in this thread. I am weary of the competition spying
I'm working on the next version of the bridge mount. I have a CNC machine now!...which I am still learning to use. I won't say which model, but it can do 3 axis contouring at a fine resolution. 1-What material do you want to see in the next version? solid carbon fiber or 7075 aircraft aluminum or something else? *Carbon is much more painful to work with and costly. 7075 is very sturdy and is what most other bridges are made of. 2-other features? what's important to you? Also, I cannot infringe on any patent like the off shore guys do. So your wish may not come true as far as features. confirmed features: -easier pupillary adjustment -included dovetail |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 12:49:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By night9:
Just throwing it out there that if you’re using one of these it’s very likely you’re using external IR illumination.. and any gen III+ device is going to see that like a beacon in the night come SHTF. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By night9:
Originally Posted By Dace: Maybe if you are talking night fighters who enter dark rooms in scary parts of the world. TNVC also has a lot invested in analog doing well. But for the everyday person who needs it for outdoor use, hunting, self defense and SHTF digital capability is going to take off. It was and is only a matter of time. The question is once a major government gets involved it will take off even faster. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 11:52:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By night9:
Just throwing it out there that if you’re using one of these it’s very likely you’re using external IR illumination.. and any gen III+ device is going to see that like a beacon in the night come SHTF. 2. Owners know the limitations of the current Gen, probably won't be turning on lights, and will shape their environment to compensate. 3. If 1100nm illuminators ever become consumer affordable (bonus points for LASER based) - game over, analog can't see that high. 4. Make sure you wear your rubber eye cups all the time - those green eyes are detectable pretty far away through the Aurora. 5. Make sure you don't run any SWIR beacons - Aurora can see stuff you can't. 6. No illuminators or LASERs for anyone! Booooooooo!!!!!!
7. No one knows what Aurora Pro can do yet - I hope I am very pleasantly surprised in May. 8. SHTF is *highly* unlikely. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/23/2020 12:35:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mickdonaldson]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain:
Voluntary Survey: IM ME, do not reply in this thread. I am weary of the competition spying
I'm working on the next version of the bridge mount. I have a CNC machine now!...which I am still learning to use. I won't say which model, but it can do 3 axis contouring at a fine resolution. 1-What material do you want to see in the next version? solid carbon fiber or 7075 aircraft aluminum or something else? *Carbon is much more painful to work with and costly. 7075 is very sturdy and is what most other bridges are made of. 2-other features? what's important to you? Also, I cannot infringe on any patent like the off shore guys do. So your wish may not come true as far as features. confirmed features: -easier pupillary adjustment -included dovetail 1. 6061 is easier to mill and you don't need the extra strength for this product - the camera will break first. Forget Carbon Fiber. 2. 3D printed Polymer is still probably good enough - other than the marketing. What's the price increase for Aluminum? 3. Adjustable Collimation (you may already have this). 4. Articulation like the MACHOS, *BUT* the hinges have to be like a set of Binoculars to adjust - the MACHOS is waaaay to stiff for me. And you know what would be REALLY COOL! - build a split USB tunnel into the bridge, with female USB-C ports, so we can run one cable from the battery to plug into the bridge, and then have 2 short (6" or custom made by you) cables going from the cameras to the bridge. You'll get one cable from the battery pack, instead of two, and when you want to remove the Auroras from the helmet so you don't look like a "Day Noodle" during the day. You just unplug one cable from your bridge, and pull the Auroras. Currently, it is a ROYAL PITA to remove Auroras from your helmet, as getting to the camera USB ports (especially the left camera) sucks. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 12:44:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fat_McNasty: yes they do! very nicely I might add. But we need more stuff released in the 1050-1100nm spectrum range. Looking for another NV setup and this seems crazy cheap compared to analog. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 1:40:31 PM EDT
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I'm still hoping for a zero-able reticle function so I can weapon mount it solo. It will also be cool when these eventually come out [someday] in a thermal/nv fusion format.
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Posted: 1/23/2020 2:20:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt:
I'm still hoping for a zero-able reticle function so I can weapon mount it solo. It will also be cool when these eventually come out [someday] in a thermal/nv fusion format. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 2:23:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt:
I'm still hoping for a zero-able reticle function so I can weapon mount it solo. It will also be cool when these eventually come out [someday] in a thermal/nv fusion format. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 4:09:27 PM EDT
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@gaspain
I'm at the shot show now and at their booth near radio row, they have your mount displayed on the table along with the macho mount. I gave their guy Justin the link to this thread so hopefully they reach out on here after shot show is over. They actively interact on their Instagram and facebook accounts according to them.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 4:11:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11B2V_Mike:
@gaspain I'm at the shot show now and at their booth near radio row, they have your mount displayed on the table along with the macho mount. I gave their guy Justin the link to this thread so hopefully they reach out on here after shot show is over. They actively interact on their Instagram and facebook accounts according to them. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/335979/20200123_113833_jpg-1246293.JPG |
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USA
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Posted: 1/23/2020 4:17:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mickdonaldson]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11B2V_Mike:
@gaspain I'm at the shot show now and at their booth near radio row, they have your mount displayed on the table along with the macho mount.
They need to be in this thread, or at least read it daily. They're on the FB Airsoft thread, but this one is way more technical, there are former/current .mil guys that use/have used Gen3 Analog, there are concurrent owners of both technologies, and we shoot real guns, with real LAMs. They did a nice job on the accent color, I know it's probably a metallic, but it looks 'earth tone'ish' - I won't be Cerakoting mine. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2020 4:34:23 PM EDT
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Id probably snatch that thing off the table and haul ass for the nearest dark room I could lock myself in while laughing like a crazy person.
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Posted: 1/23/2020 4:53:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MainePure:
Id probably snatch that thing off the table and haul ass for the nearest dark room I could lock myself in while laughing like a crazy person. |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 7:18:13 PM EDT
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I talked with a Gunskins camo wrap company about making a wrap for the Sionyx cameras. They are supposed to be looking into laser cutting patterns into their adhesive wraps to specifically fit the Sionyx. Yall may want to bookmark their website to check back occasionally to see if they get it up on the website.
So the guys wanting to paint theirs may want to hold off for a bit and wait for a wrap.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/23/2020 8:55:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11B2V_Mike:
I talked with a Gunskins camo wrap company about making a wrap for the Sionyx cameras. They are supposed to be looking into laser cutting patterns into their adhesive wraps to specifically fit the Sionyx. Yall may want to bookmark their website to check back occasionally to see if they get it up on the website. So the guys wanting to paint theirs may want to hold off for a bit and wait for a wrap. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/335979/20200123_151610_jpg-1246506.JPG |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 1:50:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain:
Voluntary Survey: IM ME, do not reply in this thread. I am weary of the competition spying
I'm working on the next version of the bridge mount. I have a CNC machine now!...which I am still learning to use. I won't say which model, but it can do 3 axis contouring at a fine resolution. 1-What material do you want to see in the next version? solid carbon fiber or 7075 aircraft aluminum or something else? *Carbon is much more painful to work with and costly. 7075 is very sturdy and is what most other bridges are made of. 2-other features? what's important to you? Also, I cannot infringe on any patent like the off shore guys do. So your wish may not come true as far as features. confirmed features: -easier pupillary adjustment -included dovetail |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2020 2:26:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Pheenixm]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: 1. SHTF means you can "acquire" what anybody else has. 2. Owners know the limitations of the current Gen, probably won't be turning on lights, and will shape their environment to compensate. 3. If 1100nm illuminators ever become consumer affordable (bonus points for LASER based) - game over, analog can't see that high. 4. Make sure you wear your rubber eye cups all the time - those green eyes are detectable pretty far away through the Aurora. 5. Make sure you don't run any SWIR beacons - Aurora can see stuff you can't. 6. No illuminators or LASERs for anyone! Booooooooo!!!!!!
7. No one knows what Aurora Pro can do yet - I hope I am very pleasantly surprised in May. 8. SHTF is *highly* unlikely. 
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Posted: 1/24/2020 2:35:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pheenixm:
Forgot the part where you gotta stop the shit from hitting the fan every few hours so you can plug into a wall outlet Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pheenixm:
Originally Posted By mickdonaldson: 1. SHTF means you can "acquire" what anybody else has. 2. Owners know the limitations of the current Gen, probably won't be turning on lights, and will shape their environment to compensate. 3. If 1100nm illuminators ever become consumer affordable (bonus points for LASER based) - game over, analog can't see that high. 4. Make sure you wear your rubber eye cups all the time - those green eyes are detectable pretty far away through the Aurora. 5. Make sure you don't run any SWIR beacons - Aurora can see stuff you can't. 6. No illuminators or LASERs for anyone! Booooooooo!!!!!!
7. No one knows what Aurora Pro can do yet - I hope I am very pleasantly surprised in May. 8. SHTF is *highly* unlikely. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/24/2020 4:58:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pheenixm: Forgot the part where you gotta stop the shit from hitting the fan every few hours so you can plug into a wall outlet
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2020 1:09:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: Oh look, the college kid is here. It's funny, in Iraq, I always had a power source nearby, was your combat experience different? I'm just saying that there's no way I2 is going to be surpassed anytime soon by something that won't last all of a day during a grid-failure scenario. Much less the supply-chain that a near constant supply of IR illumination is going to demand. Hell, for the sake of argument, let's even pretend that you could somehow maintain power supplies with the grid down; let's even say that you could get illumination that I can't see with I2. What exactly is stopping me from setting up some of my own cameras to see your illum, then picking you off at several hundred yards like the walking Christmas tree you are? |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 1:36:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coctailer]
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NOT TECH
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Posted: 1/24/2020 1:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pheenixm: College kid? What are you even talking about? I'm just saying that there's no way I2 is going to be surpassed anytime soon by something that won't last all of a day during a grid-failure scenario. Much less the supply-chain that a near constant supply of IR illumination is going to demand. Hell, for the sake of argument, let's even pretend that you could somehow maintain power supplies with the grid down; let's even say that you could get illumination that I can't see with I2. What exactly is stopping me from setting up some of my own cameras to see your illum, then picking you off at several hundred yards like the walking Christmas tree you are? Additionally, the Gen2 Aurora (Pro) is an unknown at the moment. Sionyx claims ~2x the low-light performance which will be incredible if it is (I'm guessing sub 1/4 moon). To dismiss this tech as a potentially viable replacement for analog NVG would be foolish. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2020 2:04:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blwngazkit:
While I won't disagree the Gen1 Aurora is NOT comparable to Gen3+ Analog in 1/2 Moon or less, the Aurora in no way requires fulltime illumination... You are drastically mistaken on that point. Additionally, the Gen2 Aurora (Pro) is an unknown at the moment. Sionyx claims ~2x the low-light performance which will be incredible if it is (I'm guessing sub 1/4 moon). To dismiss this tech as a potentially viable replacement for analog NVG would be foolish. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blwngazkit:
Originally Posted By Pheenixm: College kid? What are you even talking about? I'm just saying that there's no way I2 is going to be surpassed anytime soon by something that won't last all of a day during a grid-failure scenario. Much less the supply-chain that a near constant supply of IR illumination is going to demand. Hell, for the sake of argument, let's even pretend that you could somehow maintain power supplies with the grid down; let's even say that you could get illumination that I can't see with I2. What exactly is stopping me from setting up some of my own cameras to see your illum, then picking you off at several hundred yards like the walking Christmas tree you are? Additionally, the Gen2 Aurora (Pro) is an unknown at the moment. Sionyx claims ~2x the low-light performance which will be incredible if it is (I'm guessing sub 1/4 moon). To dismiss this tech as a potentially viable replacement for analog NVG would be foolish. |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 2:22:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson: Aren't you the doctoral student of something or other? Mr. "You fundamentally don't understand" from the other thread? First of all, for the one millionth time - no Aurora user has ever said that given the exact same conditions, that it is always equal or better. It *can* be, but that depends on the scenario, which has already been discussed in the "Poor Man's" thread, go re-read it. As for your power consumption, again, already been discussed, go re-read. Yes, compared to analog, they are power hungry. A 15,000mAh External, can power duals, with one recording constantly, for 14 hours. A Mono would be about 28 hours or more with no recording. In Winter you need about 12, and Summer about 7...and that's if you don't sleep, and pull 100% security. Nobody's doing 14 Day LRRP Patrols in the Jungle anymore - every night, my ass was back at K2 Airfield (FOB Summerall) in Baiji. And the Aurora would have worked great there for vehicular movements, because just like the rest of the modernized world, all the Iraqis drove with their headlights on, and digital can look at the sun without damage. There are also externals with built in Solar Charging, or panels, worst case. As far as the "Christmas Tree" goes, you assume the Aurora always needs IR - it doesn't. Or you assume that if in a peer environment, a user would turn on IR - I wouldn't - I managed to get through 58 Days of Ranger School patrols at night, with zero night vision at all. You kids these days are spoiled. Make sure you always wear your rubber eye-cups, don't want to be walking around like a Christmas Tree for any Auroras out there. And now Gen 2 will be here in May - we'll see how she does. Anyway.. I look forward to your review when you get your Pros |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 5:37:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cttb]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dapzel:
I find some of these SHTF scenarios pulling nightly patrols to be be so low in probability they're not even worth really discussing other than day dreaming. The most likely use would be if you're in hurricane land and something like Katrina or tornado alley or big earthquake came through. You'd have some that would stay to protect their land. The people who decide to stay put in the disaster area I'd say the odds the ones looking to loot/steal are gonna be without any type of NVG digital or analog so IR isn't gonna be a real concern. Anyway.. I look forward to your review when you get your Pros Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dapzel:
Originally Posted By mickdonaldson: Aren't you the doctoral student of something or other? Mr. "You fundamentally don't understand" from the other thread? First of all, for the one millionth time - no Aurora user has ever said that given the exact same conditions, that it is always equal or better. It *can* be, but that depends on the scenario, which has already been discussed in the "Poor Man's" thread, go re-read it. As for your power consumption, again, already been discussed, go re-read. Yes, compared to analog, they are power hungry. A 15,000mAh External, can power duals, with one recording constantly, for 14 hours. A Mono would be about 28 hours or more with no recording. In Winter you need about 12, and Summer about 7...and that's if you don't sleep, and pull 100% security. Nobody's doing 14 Day LRRP Patrols in the Jungle anymore - every night, my ass was back at K2 Airfield (FOB Summerall) in Baiji. And the Aurora would have worked great there for vehicular movements, because just like the rest of the modernized world, all the Iraqis drove with their headlights on, and digital can look at the sun without damage. There are also externals with built in Solar Charging, or panels, worst case. As far as the "Christmas Tree" goes, you assume the Aurora always needs IR - it doesn't. Or you assume that if in a peer environment, a user would turn on IR - I wouldn't - I managed to get through 58 Days of Ranger School patrols at night, with zero night vision at all. You kids these days are spoiled. Make sure you always wear your rubber eye-cups, don't want to be walking around like a Christmas Tree for any Auroras out there. And now Gen 2 will be here in May - we'll see how she does. Anyway.. I look forward to your review when you get your Pros I suspect given a couple of years, the total package of tech for digital night vision will surpass the capabilities of analog. It's been that way with everything else. |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 6:56:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cttb:
The Aurora is a night vision game changer for two reasons: 1) It's a way to have fun at a fraction of the cost of good analog; and 2) You can put together a useful nighttime hunting set up all-in for under $1,000. Pigs can't see supplemental IR, and they don't care about green visible lasers. I don't care about SHTF. I suspect given a couple of years, the total package of tech for digital night vision will surpass the capabilities of analog. It's been that way with everything else. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cttb:
Originally Posted By Dapzel:
Originally Posted By mickdonaldson: Aren't you the doctoral student of something or other? Mr. "You fundamentally don't understand" from the other thread? First of all, for the one millionth time - no Aurora user has ever said that given the exact same conditions, that it is always equal or better. It *can* be, but that depends on the scenario, which has already been discussed in the "Poor Man's" thread, go re-read it. As for your power consumption, again, already been discussed, go re-read. Yes, compared to analog, they are power hungry. A 15,000mAh External, can power duals, with one recording constantly, for 14 hours. A Mono would be about 28 hours or more with no recording. In Winter you need about 12, and Summer about 7...and that's if you don't sleep, and pull 100% security. Nobody's doing 14 Day LRRP Patrols in the Jungle anymore - every night, my ass was back at K2 Airfield (FOB Summerall) in Baiji. And the Aurora would have worked great there for vehicular movements, because just like the rest of the modernized world, all the Iraqis drove with their headlights on, and digital can look at the sun without damage. There are also externals with built in Solar Charging, or panels, worst case. As far as the "Christmas Tree" goes, you assume the Aurora always needs IR - it doesn't. Or you assume that if in a peer environment, a user would turn on IR - I wouldn't - I managed to get through 58 Days of Ranger School patrols at night, with zero night vision at all. You kids these days are spoiled. Make sure you always wear your rubber eye-cups, don't want to be walking around like a Christmas Tree for any Auroras out there. And now Gen 2 will be here in May - we'll see how she does. Anyway.. I look forward to your review when you get your Pros I suspect given a couple of years, the total package of tech for digital night vision will surpass the capabilities of analog. It's been that way with everything else. NV noob here, but I love my Sionyx duals. Can't wait to get my mount and helmet in. I could care less about the force multiplier of different tech. But in my AO, having any NV is better than none if needed. As far as that is concerned, the person sitting out there with good thermals will be the winner, IMO. |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 9:44:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dapzel]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cttb:
The Aurora is a night vision game changer for two reasons: 1) It's a way to have fun at a fraction of the cost of good analog; and 2) You can put together a useful nighttime hunting set up all-in for under $1,000. Pigs can't see supplemental IR, and they don't care about green visible lasers. I don't care about SHTF. I suspect given a couple of years, the total package of tech for digital night vision will surpass the capabilities of analog. It's been that way with everything else. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cttb:
Originally Posted By Dapzel:
Originally Posted By mickdonaldson: Aren't you the doctoral student of something or other? Mr. "You fundamentally don't understand" from the other thread? First of all, for the one millionth time - no Aurora user has ever said that given the exact same conditions, that it is always equal or better. It *can* be, but that depends on the scenario, which has already been discussed in the "Poor Man's" thread, go re-read it. As for your power consumption, again, already been discussed, go re-read. Yes, compared to analog, they are power hungry. A 15,000mAh External, can power duals, with one recording constantly, for 14 hours. A Mono would be about 28 hours or more with no recording. In Winter you need about 12, and Summer about 7...and that's if you don't sleep, and pull 100% security. Nobody's doing 14 Day LRRP Patrols in the Jungle anymore - every night, my ass was back at K2 Airfield (FOB Summerall) in Baiji. And the Aurora would have worked great there for vehicular movements, because just like the rest of the modernized world, all the Iraqis drove with their headlights on, and digital can look at the sun without damage. There are also externals with built in Solar Charging, or panels, worst case. As far as the "Christmas Tree" goes, you assume the Aurora always needs IR - it doesn't. Or you assume that if in a peer environment, a user would turn on IR - I wouldn't - I managed to get through 58 Days of Ranger School patrols at night, with zero night vision at all. You kids these days are spoiled. Make sure you always wear your rubber eye-cups, don't want to be walking around like a Christmas Tree for any Auroras out there. And now Gen 2 will be here in May - we'll see how she does. Anyway.. I look forward to your review when you get your Pros I suspect given a couple of years, the total package of tech for digital night vision will surpass the capabilities of analog. It's been that way with everything else. Aurora probably would serve the needs of the majority of users here and for less money |
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Posted: 1/24/2020 11:52:36 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dapzel: Oh I agree. I was agreeing with mickdonaldson talking about the other poster commenting on IR flooding and if you didn't have Gen3 it's your funeral pal. Was just saying these SHTF scenarios about having to worry about stalking some other person and worrying about someone using a PVS14 aren't even worth the time planning for. Aurora probably would serve the needs of the majority of users here and for less money Even someone using gen1 NV would likely be able to notice the IR, and gen1 stuff is cheap enough that tons of people buy it just to play. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 11:06:24 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dapzel: Was just saying these SHTF scenarios about having to worry about stalking some other person and worrying about someone using a PVS14 aren't even worth the time planning for. Can't wait for May!!!!
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Posted: 1/25/2020 11:16:41 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TanklessPro:
As far as that is concerned, the person sitting out there with good thermals will be the winner, IMO. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 12:01:05 PM EDT
[#46]
I wonder if the Pro has less lag, currently it makes navigation feel like I'm watching a movie of myself walking around with a purple flashlight when directly compared to my Gen3.
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Posted: 1/25/2020 12:17:35 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson:
100%. Has never happened in the history of our country - closest we've had was the Depression from '29 to '3x, and even then, it was never "no power, roaming bands of cannibals", etc..." Argentina was bad during the 70's to 90's, but even they didn't have "SHTF Combat" or Venezuela today...its bad, but not "The Road" bad. But that's the argument that has to be used, because other than peer to peer "shot in the face violence", the downsides of digital are getting smaller and smaller. I wish I had an Aurora in Iraq in '03-'04 - the dirtbags stealing IED material out of the Arlington ASP in Baiji, or Tinderbox ASP in Al-Sharqat, or Jaguar ASP in Q-West - weren't using any NODs at all. And we avoided moving at night, but when we had to - an Aurora would have been gold, scanning the sides of the road with all the headlights on MSR Tampa (Hwy 1). Can't wait for May!!!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mickdonaldson:
Originally Posted By Dapzel: Was just saying these SHTF scenarios about having to worry about stalking some other person and worrying about someone using a PVS14 aren't even worth the time planning for. Can't wait for May!!!! If a person has the $$ hey have it but the Aurora seems to fit the bill for I bet a majority of people. Other than hunting, stargazin the most use I'd bet would be walking ones property or guarding it after a twister,earthquake, hurricane and the ones that are coming to loot your place odds are aren't gonna have PVS14 or any night vision other than a couple of flash lights
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Posted: 1/25/2020 12:20:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MainePure:
I wonder if the Pro has less lag, currently it makes navigation feel like I'm watching a movie of myself walking around with a purple flashlight when directly compared to my Gen3. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 1:01:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mpatch:
Turn off the image stabilization and use greyscale vs color. |
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Posted: 1/25/2020 2:01:12 PM EDT
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[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MainePure:
I wonder if the Pro has less lag, currently it makes navigation feel like I'm watching a movie of myself walking around with a purple flashlight when directly compared to my Gen3. |
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