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Posted: 8/29/2007 11:57:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: murderman]
There have been several threads in the past; here is a chance to consolidate current concepts for the topic.
Ballistic rig on the left, scout rig on the right. The plates are both bolted down to keep from changing position, with the top strap minimizing stress on that joint, as well as providing a very convenient place to ty-rap the Guardians. The MSA rig is balanced on a styrofoam mannequin head with the PVS both up and down; it is like that on a real head as well. 
Edited to add a couple shots with the CSM bracket: 
Updated with the do rag replacement pic. 
Latest mods...some paint and an M600C/KM2: 
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Posted: 3/9/2021 8:37:34 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Just did mine last night. How tight do you crank down the screw going through the rounded washer and spring into the AXL mount? Despite locktite, it unscrews if I rotate the earcups too much. Well I did it by feel, my left assembly stays solid while my right will loosen at the same value. I just gave the right a little more torque and it stays a little better now but if I rotate it back and forth a bunch it will still loosen slightly. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 8:54:03 PM EDT
[#2]
Anyone order amp arms from gentex recently and have them ship?
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Posted: 3/9/2021 8:55:58 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: Anyone order amp arms from gentex recently and have them ship?  Attached FileHell I have had them on order for 6 or 7 weeks. I just bought the whole kit from AXL because I was fucking tired of waiting 
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Posted: 3/9/2021 8:59:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: Anyone order amp arms from gentex recently and have them ship? It will take months to get them. Just pretend it's a Form 4 and forget about it until you get a shipping notice. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 9:01:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/vladimir-putin-laughing_zpsov82lsef_GIF-129.gif Hell I have had them on order for 6 or 7 weeks. I just bought the whole kit from AXL because I was fucking tired of waiting I was going to order through axl, but they have been oos. I didn't even order the color I wanted 
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Posted: 3/9/2021 9:16:43 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: I was going to order through axl, but they have been oos. I didn't even order the color I wanted Order through TNVC. They are the most reliable and always back the warranties. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 9:18:12 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4Real: It will take months to get them. Just pretend it's a Form 4 and forget about it until you get a shipping notice. It took 3 months just to get replacement bungees for a helmet. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 10:10:28 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4Real: Order through TNVC. They are the most reliable and always back the warranties. Ordered. Please get foliage green in ASAP
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Posted: 3/9/2021 10:20:36 PM EDT
[#9]
Patience is a virtue.
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Posted: 3/10/2021 8:51:54 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4Real: Patience is a virtue. Seriously... One of the best life lessons I ever learned was bestowed upon me by ARFCOM. Hunting down SF4Ps back in 2012, Form 1s and 4s after Sandyhook, LA-5s, Noveske Gen 3 stripped uppers, and now... anything from Gentex Corp.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/10/2021 9:32:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: Seriously... One of the best life lessons I ever learned was bestowed upon me by ARFCOM. Hunting down SF4Ps back in 2012, Form 1s and 4s after Sandyhook, LA-5s, Noveske Gen 3 stripped uppers, and now... anything from Gentex Corp. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2021-03-10_074604_png-1859540.JPG OOOF |
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Posted: 3/10/2021 5:50:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: Seriously... One of the best life lessons I ever learned was bestowed upon me by ARFCOM. Hunting down SF4Ps back in 2012, Form 1s and 4s after Sandyhook, LA-5s, Noveske Gen 3 stripped uppers, and now... anything from Gentex Corp. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2021-03-10_074604_png-1859540.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: Originally Posted By M4Real: Patience is a virtue. Seriously... One of the best life lessons I ever learned was bestowed upon me by ARFCOM. Hunting down SF4Ps back in 2012, Form 1s and 4s after Sandyhook, LA-5s, Noveske Gen 3 stripped uppers, and now... anything from Gentex Corp. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2021-03-10_074604_png-1859540.JPG I ordered Amp arms (Grey), axl kit for SORDINs, and Unity Tactical adapters for TW from HCCTatical on 3/2 and received on 3/8. They happened to have most of the items I wanted in stock. I was expecting a long wait for AMP arms, but they showed up. |
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Posted: 3/10/2021 6:21:01 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: I ordered Amp arms (Grey), axl kit for SORDINs, and Unity Tactical adapters for TW from HCCTatical on 3/2 and received on 3/8. They happened to have most of the items I wanted in stock. I was expecting a long wait for AMP arms, but they showed up. I ordered from them in beginning of Feb and they quoted me end of March.  So I cancelled bc I wanted them for a shoot on 3/6. TNVC said 1-2 week lead time via email today. Fingers crossed! |
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Posted: 3/11/2021 10:18:48 AM EDT
[#14]
GENTEX CORP OpsCore Fast High-Cut S/M only $507.95 with coupon code “GARANDTHUMB”
https://shop.gentexcorp.com/ops-core-fast-st-high-cut-helmet/  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/11/2021 1:27:03 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: Seriously... One of the best life lessons I ever learned was bestowed upon me by ARFCOM. Hunting down SF4Ps back in 2012, Form 1s and 4s after Sandyhook, LA-5s, Noveske Gen 3 stripped uppers, and now... anything from Gentex Corp. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2021-03-10_074604_png-1859540.JPG LOL you ordered in January, I just got my October order. |
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Posted: 3/11/2021 1:32:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: I ordered from them in beginning of Feb and they quoted me end of March. So I cancelled bc I wanted them for a shoot on 3/6. TNVC said 1-2 week lead time via email today. Fingers crossed! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: I ordered Amp arms (Grey), axl kit for SORDINs, and Unity Tactical adapters for TW from HCCTatical on 3/2 and received on 3/8. They happened to have most of the items I wanted in stock. I was expecting a long wait for AMP arms, but they showed up. I ordered from them in beginning of Feb and they quoted me end of March. So I cancelled bc I wanted them for a shoot on 3/6. TNVC said 1-2 week lead time via email today. Fingers crossed! Did you try Weapon Outfitters? Roy’s been ordering tons of Ops-Core stuff, but I’m not sure if his stock is current or if he takes backorders. |
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Posted: 3/11/2021 1:50:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: beitodesstrafe]
[#17]
You guys are making me feel like I need to order a set of these arms.
(And head set. )
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Posted: 3/11/2021 1:57:37 PM EDT
[#18]
I just placed an order Tuesday for a set of amps...fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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Posted: 3/11/2021 2:04:25 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex: Did you try Weapon Outfitters? Roy’s been ordering tons of Ops-Core stuff, but I’m not sure if his stock is current or if he takes backorders. BOOM! Order placed!  Looks like it was in stock, too! With my luck my TNVC and Gentex orders shipped already and I just dont know it.
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Posted: 3/11/2021 2:06:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: laxman09]
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeuceGoon: I just placed an order Tuesday for a set of amps...fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Check out WeaponOutfitters NOW. They can currently be added to cart in all colors. You might get lucky. @DeuceGoon |
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Posted: 3/11/2021 2:47:17 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4Real: Patience is a virtue. Disagree to a point. Typically it means you’re dealing with incompetence. |
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Posted: 3/11/2021 2:55:18 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: Check out WeaponOutfitters NOW. They can currently be added to cart in all colors. You might get lucky. @DeuceGoon I'll check it out |
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Posted: 3/11/2021 5:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: Check out WeaponOutfitters NOW. They can currently be added to cart in all colors. You might get lucky. @DeuceGoon WO let me order the AMP RAC arms. Hope they were in stock! |
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Posted: 3/11/2021 5:16:29 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: WO let me order the AMP RAC arms. Hope they were in stock! Mine says processing which according to their FAQ page means they have them in stock 
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Posted: 3/11/2021 6:27:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GSDAK47]
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Posted: 3/11/2021 6:40:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GSDAK47: More stuff https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283977/2E5E918A-A3DF-407C-926A-195ACAC7FE9D_jpe-1861415.JPG Coming together nicely, I spy Licentia arms improved counterweight pouch. 
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:14:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Advance]
[#27]
Guess what happens the minute I place an order with Weapon Outfitters for the Ops-Core AMP Helmet Rail Mount Kit?
Ops-Core ships my 3 month old Ops-Core AMP Helmet Rail Mount Kit order. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 1:23:25 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: Guess what happens the minute I place an order with Weapon Outfitters for the Ops-Core AMP Helmet Rail Mount Kit? Ops-Core ships my 3 month old Ops-Core AMP Helmet Rail Mount Kit order. Of course! I cancelled my gentex order but am keeping my TNVC order open until one ships. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 4:58:37 PM EDT
[#29]
When I ordered from WO months ago they showed in stock at the time. The next morning I got an email asking if I would like to wait for them 7-9 weeks.
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Posted: 3/12/2021 5:04:34 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HK_MARK23: When I ordered from WO months ago they showed in stock at the time. The next morning I got an email asking if I would like to wait for them 7-9 weeks. Yikes. Glad I'm still on order with TNVC that said 1-2 weeks |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 6:31:49 PM EDT
[#31]
Just got shipping notice from WO for my amp arms
Thanks for the suggestion @cmcflex 
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Posted: 3/12/2021 6:50:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cowbell]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: Just got shipping notice from WO for my amp arms Thanks for the suggestion @cmcflex Yes indeed, thanks for the heads up. Ordered my amp arms today. Now to order some AXL for my howard leights. Yes I know, Howard Leights and RNVG's
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Posted: 3/12/2021 6:56:31 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cowbell: Yes indeed, thanks for the heads up. Ordered my amp arms today. Now to order some AXL for my howard leights. Yes I know, Howard Leights and RNVG's Haters might hate but you'll be flying high 
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Posted: 3/12/2021 7:02:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: Haters might hate but you'll be flying high https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DSC5543-920x615.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: Originally Posted By Cowbell: Yes indeed, thanks for the heads up. Ordered my amp arms today. Now to order some AXL for my howard leights. Yes I know, Howard Leights and RNVG's Haters might hate but you'll be flying high https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DSC5543-920x615.jpg Lolol |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 8:57:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2021 12:05:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cowbell: Yes indeed, thanks for the heads up. Ordered my amp arms today. Now to order some AXL for my howard leights. Yes I know, Howard Leights and RNVG's Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cowbell: Originally Posted By laxman09: Just got shipping notice from WO for my amp arms Thanks for the suggestion @cmcflex Yes indeed, thanks for the heads up. Ordered my amp arms today. Now to order some AXL for my howard leights. Yes I know, Howard Leights and RNVG's Happy to help and glad it worked out! Though Roy is the real hero. I was able to add everything Ops-Core that I tried to my cart and it all seemed to work. It made me think he had a backorder system but it looks like he’s just stacking deep. |
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Posted: 3/13/2021 12:34:41 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex: Happy to help and glad it worked out! Though Roy is the real hero. I was able to add everything Ops-Core that I tried to my cart and it all seemed to work. It made me think he had a backorder system but it looks like he’s just stacking deep. Roy is everyones hero |
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Posted: 3/13/2021 6:28:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GroundhogOZ]
[#38]
I noticed there are a lot of Ops Core ballistic helmets in this thread ~ I get the mounting benefits of the bump but not the benefits of the ballistic.
The reason I say this its pretty well known that as a ballistic helmets its V50 maxs out around 9mm e.g. realistically it somewhere near a NIJ II helmet, not IIIA like the Flux or the HHV ATE2. See below for direct comparo between HHV and OPs Core - 9mm, in terms impacts and deformation (back face deformation). Crown BFD 15.0mm, Side BFD 13.3mm, Front BFD 14.8mm, Back BFD 8.5mm @ 1400 + 50, -0 ft/s with 9mm. - HHV Crown BFD 23.4mm, Side BFD 27.1mm, Front BFD 29mm, Back BFD 19.1mm @ 1,195 (+50/-0) fps with 9mm. - OPs Core If you go and look at the ACH, ECH or UK MK VII - they far exceed IIIA. So I pose the question why the OPs Core ballistic over other ballistic options. My view has always been you go light or you go full ballistic (when and where its really required - mainly debris and shrapnel +/- bullets) |
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Posted: 3/13/2021 10:36:04 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GroundhogOZ: I noticed there are a lot of Ops Core ballistic helmets in this thread ~ I get the mounting benefits of the bump but not the benefits of the ballistic. The reason I say this its pretty well known that as a ballistic helmets its V50 maxs out around 9mm e.g. realistically it somewhere near a NIJ II helmet, not IIIA like the Flux or the HHV ATE2. See below for direct comparo between HHV and OPs Core - 9mm, in terms impacts and deformation (back face deformation). Crown BFD 15.0mm, Side BFD 13.3mm, Front BFD 14.8mm, Back BFD 8.5mm @ 1400 + 50, -0 ft/s with 9mm. - HHV Crown BFD 23.4mm, Side BFD 27.1mm, Front BFD 29mm, Back BFD 19.1mm @ 1,195 (+50/-0) fps with 9mm. - OPs Core If you go and look at the ACH, ECH or UK MK VII - they far exceed IIIA. So I pose the question why the OPs Core ballistic over other ballistic options. My view has always been you go light or you go full ballistic (when and where its really required - mainly debris and shrapnel +/- bullets) Ops-Core is the Glock of the Helmet World. Everyone makes accessories for the rails and replacement parts are easier to come by. Mounts and shrouds are also designed to the curvature and slope of the front of the shell. If you are a lefty, it is way easier finding a LH harness vs. other manufacturers (except Team Wendy) that use proprietary attachment methods like boltless. I think Ops-Core strikes a good balance between light and protective. You a far more likely to take shrapnel and inadvertent strikes/bumps/impacts than a bullet to the dome. |
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Posted: 3/13/2021 10:57:35 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: GENTEX CORP OpsCore Fast High-Cut S/M only $507.95 with coupon code “GARANDTHUMB” https://shop.gentexcorp.com/ops-core-fast-st-high-cut-helmet/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/WPC-Q-000001_9_17_31_AM_png-1860843.JPG I was excited for a second . . . then I saw the size limitation. Who has a head this size other than a pre-pubescent girl? |
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Posted: 3/14/2021 3:33:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GroundhogOZ]
[#41]
Originally Posted By PFran42: Ops-Core is the Glock of the Helmet World. Everyone makes accessories for the rails and replacement parts are easier to come by. Mounts and shrouds are also designed to the curvature and slope of the front of the shell. If you are a lefty, it is way easier finding a LH harness vs. other manufacturers (except Team Wendy) that use proprietary attachment methods like boltless. I think Ops-Core strikes a good balance between light and protective. You a far more likely to take shrapnel and inadvertent strikes/bumps/impacts than a bullet to the dome. Sure I get that, and thats why I have a number of bumps (first and second gen) - but I have come to see the OC ballistic helmet (2.01 lbs xl shell) as a ricochet fragment helmet e.g. in effect it will deal with high speed fragments reasonably well for example a 17 grain fragment at 2,200 fps - has a 50:50 chance of penetration. So likely relatively safe from fragments and ricochets - still surprised it has a V50 for 9mm - this means a 9mm will be stopped 50% of the time at a velocity of 1195 fps. Still appears down relative to MTEK, TW, HHV, ECH and UK MK VII (2.2lbs xl shell) in terms of ballistic protection (these have 3A as a minimum standard). |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 12:10:00 PM EDT
[#42]
Finally got to run this for a night with some PVS-31s from a good friend. The AMP arms are the truth, really dig the positioning of my admin light, and the Licentia Arms counterweight pouch did what I needed it to do. All in all, super happy with this lid.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:26:04 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex: Happy to help and glad it worked out! Though Roy is the real hero. I was able to add everything Ops-Core that I tried to my cart and it all seemed to work. It made me think he had a backorder system but it looks like he’s just stacking deep. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cmcflex: Originally Posted By Cowbell: Originally Posted By laxman09: Just got shipping notice from WO for my amp arms Thanks for the suggestion @cmcflex Yes indeed, thanks for the heads up. Ordered my amp arms today. Now to order some AXL for my howard leights. Yes I know, Howard Leights and RNVG's Happy to help and glad it worked out! Though Roy is the real hero. I was able to add everything Ops-Core that I tried to my cart and it all seemed to work. It made me think he had a backorder system but it looks like he’s just stacking deep. Got shipping notification just now for my amp arms... |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 4:45:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/15/2021 6:10:02 PM EDT
[#45]
Just put my 4D pads into my OPSCORE and oh my god they are amazing. Absolutely worth the cost.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 7:47:49 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BBOHACH: Just put my 4D pads into my OPSCORE and oh my god they are amazing. Absolutely worth the cost. |
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Posted: 3/16/2021 6:28:07 PM EDT
[#47]
 Attached FileRAC Link and AMP Arms arrived today. Anyone else having issues with cable routing on an XL helmet? I can't get the ear cups stowed without serious kinkage on the cord connecting the two ear cups. I mounted them as low as possible on the ARC rails it is still looking suspect. Also, not thrilled about AXL's boom mic solution. It doesn't allow the boom to rotate out of the way. I was careful taking my Peltors apart for the conversion so I can go 100% back to stock (including the little ranger bands) If I can find a seamstress willing to sew the leather back onto the metal headband. |
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Posted: 3/16/2021 6:49:23 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/PXL_20210316_214251511_jpg-1868212.JPG RAC Link and AMP Arms arrived today. Anyone else having issues with cable routing on an XL helmet? I can't get the ear cups stowed without serious kinkage on the cord connecting the two ear cups. I mounted them as low as possible on the ARC rails it is still looking suspect. Also, not thrilled about AXL's boom mic solution. It doesn't allow the boom to rotate out of the way. I was careful taking my Peltors apart for the conversion so I can go 100% back to stock (including the little ranger bands) If I can find a seamstress willing to sew the leather back onto the metal headband. I'm don't have that cord issue with my Sordins and a M/L helmet. I am apprehensive about stowing them and tearing up the gel seals though |
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Posted: 3/16/2021 7:14:46 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/PXL_20210316_214251511_jpg-1868212.JPG RAC Link and AMP Arms arrived today. Anyone else having issues with cable routing on an XL helmet? I can't get the ear cups stowed without serious kinkage on the cord connecting the two ear cups. I mounted them as low as possible on the ARC rails it is still looking suspect. Also, not thrilled about AXL's boom mic solution. It doesn't allow the boom to rotate out of the way. I was careful taking my Peltors apart for the conversion so I can go 100% back to stock (including the little ranger bands) If I can find a seamstress willing to sew the leather back onto the metal headband. Probably not ideal, but why not just Dremel the Tegris on the RAC Link down where the boom is and get rid of that part if it is an issue... |
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Posted: 3/16/2021 7:29:22 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/PXL_20210316_214251511_jpg-1868212.JPG RAC Link and AMP Arms arrived today. Anyone else having issues with cable routing on an XL helmet? I can't get the ear cups stowed without serious kinkage on the cord connecting the two ear cups. I mounted them as low as possible on the ARC rails it is still looking suspect. Also, not thrilled about AXL's boom mic solution. It doesn't allow the boom to rotate out of the way. I was careful taking my Peltors apart for the conversion so I can go 100% back to stock (including the little ranger bands) If I can find a seamstress willing to sew the leather back onto the metal headband. Hard to see. Have you tried routing internally? |
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