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Posted: 1/23/2006 5:21:41 PM EDT
Sorry if I duped this, but it's pretty impressive. I've just gotten to the point where I can work the action again
 I need to practice more...a lot more. Super fast 870 reload |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 5:26:24 PM EDT
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that guy needs to hit the gym
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Posted: 1/23/2006 5:30:41 PM EDT
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tell him that to his face...see what would happen
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Posted: 1/23/2006 5:41:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2006 6:11:28 PM EDT
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He is pretty good, but I have seen many LEOs who could do pretty much the same after a bit of instruction, and I would bet 75% or more of the guys here could too.
He has his method and it works for him, I guess, but I would prefer to see an underhand, left hand reload technique so he would be more likely to catch any shell dropped during the reload process...and when your asshole is puckered up, you CAN drop a shell! 
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Posted: 1/23/2006 7:12:44 PM EDT
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Um, yea, that was pretty cool.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 7:13:32 PM EDT
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Not to toot my own horn by any means, but I am pretty good with an 870. I have practiced, practiced, and then practiced some more. I am as good as I can be until I get baeeter.
The underhanded method is more tactically sound...however, I use both, much in the way he does. The reason I do this is ammo selection. I have a pair of belt bags I use at the range, and carry in the trunk of my squad. The right side is slugs, and the left side is buck. When I load from the right side, it is underhanded, its faster. However, when I load buck from the left side, I go over the top of the receiver..again, because its faster. I am a big fan of the "Combat"/"CQB" reload. It is much faster than any other method out there, and allows you to stay in the game. It is also a necessary element of "pick-a-slug" drills. When I load from the sidesaddle, it is always under the receiver...it is more secure, and faster. |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 11:08:59 AM EDT
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+1 on the left underhand method as well.
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Posted: 1/24/2006 2:03:48 PM EDT
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Needs a magazine.
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Posted: 1/24/2006 5:21:29 PM EDT
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tag for vid
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Posted: 1/24/2006 7:04:38 PM EDT
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the guy is skilled and proficient...he isn't super fast though.
Super fast is guys like Kurt Miller that can reload 4 shells in about the same amount of time it took him to reload 1. |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 8:00:36 PM EDT
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He looks good.
How much would buck/slugs affect him time? These reloads will only work with a completely empty gun, right? |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 8:28:30 PM EDT
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Anyone have a fast reload of reloading the mag tube?
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Posted: 1/28/2006 9:42:34 AM EDT
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Now that id love to see! |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 10:33:17 AM EDT
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Correct! Do this with even one round in the mag and you could have yourself a major jam on your hands. It may not even be possible to feed the round in by hand, I've forgotten how high up the new cartridge jumps when the fore end is pulled back. Very cool technique. |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 12:06:37 PM EDT
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i dont comment much on things I see, take it with a grain of salt, but that has to be the "ghey'est", old guy trying to be cool with hard rock back ground music shooting video I have ever seen.
I dont know who it is or what move/shoot is, but i am talking about the video itself, that was absolutely horrible. it doesn't seem a very hard skill to grasp.. i vote ghey. |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 2:13:53 PM EDT
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I am by no means fast but I timed myself against him and could easily shoot 9 rounds out of my benelli M1S90 on target, load 8 more and shoot them in the time it took him to do 9 rounds. Whats with the one round at a time thing?
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Posted: 1/28/2006 2:26:52 PM EDT
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The guy is pretty smooth and proficient, but Tom Knapp makes him look like a hack. Then again, Tom Knapp makes anyone look like a hack.
Vid of Tom in action |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 4:32:56 PM EDT
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There is always someone who talks shit. Please post a video of you doing the same thing. Lets see you do it candy ass, nucking loser I swear. |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 4:44:40 PM EDT
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Knapp has an auto-SG. That's "cheating".
+1....put up or stfu. 
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Posted: 1/28/2006 6:19:20 PM EDT
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"LEO HATHAWAY" I see what chromeluv is saying. The guy is good, but the hardcore soundtrack and the LEO HATHAWAY headliner make it kind of funny.
With that soundtrack and intro I was expecting to see something like an M1 Abrams catching air over a sand dune while firing its gun on the move. |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 8:37:36 PM EDT
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+2 to posting your own vids....if you're going to talk shit, that should be a requirement.
I'll see if I can find some vids of Kurt Miller and the other guys I know of that can reload super fast.... |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 8:48:43 PM EDT
[#22]
man I need a 12 ga. :(
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Posted: 1/28/2006 8:50:30 PM EDT
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like I said before, emphasized and bolded, the video is extremely cheesey and borderline superhero ghey.
You guys jumped way to quick over the line with all the immature name calling and cursing. I never said this guy was a hack or not well versed at what he was doing, but to quote below..
I was expecting alot more intensity to the video considering the intro and closing.. The music and credits reminded me of the blackwater video with simplydynamic going to work, or army recruiting video, instead I got a guy just showing shotgun reloading. hell, bigbore's glock abuse thread and simple full-auto videos were alot more entertaining and more deserving of the "high speed, low drag" intro and closing.. So, like I said before, I vote "ghey" on the video. eta: some of the "older" crowd needs to read the above... 
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Posted: 1/29/2006 6:53:27 AM EDT
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Haha I bet that old guy is about your dads age. I bet your dad can still kick your ass. Overall not a bad video. But as was said above put up or shut up. |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 9:13:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2006 9:30:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2006 11:53:46 AM EDT
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thats more like it...straight and to the point. no cheese effect in those videos..
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Posted: 1/30/2006 12:11:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2006 2:20:04 PM EDT
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Will someone plesae explain the load one, shoot one tactic to me. I just dont see the point, there is too much movement, and only having one hand on the shotgun, not to mention the time that it takes to load them one at a time. Why not just stuff 4 or 6 and just keep stuffing every 4 or 6 rounds to never have an empty shotgun. I guess that I am just not comfortable having an empty shotgun in a gunfight.
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Posted: 1/30/2006 2:42:58 PM EDT
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If you shoot your shotgun empty, and you cannot transition to a sidearm for whatever reason, and you are still engaging targets/threats shooting one and loading one is the best option for a steady rate of fire. The cowboy guys in the videos I linked to, do it because I believe they are sometimes required to only start with 1 or 2 rounds in the gun per the rules of the sport. |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 3:34:25 PM EDT
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More skills you have to use the better. If you don't have time to go to your sidearm, or your sidearm is empty or hopelessly jammed already you'll need to load your primary.
And I think the Cowboys use the manual reload to make it more fair to the guys that use double barrels. Hard for a breach shooter to beat a pump gun user when more than 2 rounds need to be fired. I've seen it doen in a vid though. Guy with the breach fired both barrels at once and reloaded really fast and then fired both again. Forget his time but it beat the pump by a good amount. |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 4:05:35 PM EDT
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It's to keep the pump guys level with the double barrel guys. Per rules you have to use a gun made during the period (Up to 1900 maybe) so those 1897 shotguns qualify but it leaves the double barrel guys at a disadvatage. To keep it even they start with only 2 loaded and then have to reload after that. I would like to see vid of the double barrel guys, they are just as fast. |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 4:12:47 PM EDT
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Now those guys are fast Hathaway was just smooth, something that anybody willing to put the time in can learn. Probably a little faster than I can do.
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Posted: 1/30/2006 6:02:26 PM EDT
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I wonder what type of loads they're using. Light target loads? Full power defense buckshot loads? Slugs? What gauge: 12 or 20 or smaller? Gun games are not real world. Go into combat with your shotgun shells 3/4 of the way out of your belt or buttstock shell holder and see if they're still there when you need 'em. Stand tall and reload your shells single shot and shoot each one before loading the next and see who's standing at the end. I'm impressed with the speed but question the combat value.
GL |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 6:48:13 PM EDT
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There is something to be learned from every aspect of shooting. What you are seeing here is economy of motion = speed. A lot of tac-gear does not take economy of motion into account. The correct way to look at this is if you and your combat gear/tactics, can't beat at least 50% of the people at a practical action match (cowboy, 3 gun or otherwise) you and your gear are lacking in some area. The guns are 12 gauge. People generally use bird shot for competitions simply because it is cheaper, and most matches don't allow buckshot. I don't shoot cowboy action, but you would be hardpressed to find 3 gunners that can load as fast as those guys can either. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 12:00:17 AM EDT
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I played at Cowboy Action shooting for a while. Too many of the shooters want to win, not mimic a real gunfight. So there was .38 special or downloaded .45 Colt in the revolvers and lever actions, and in the shotguns there was target loads or light target loads in a 20 gauge or 12 gauge, along with way too many 1897s, and far too few double barrels. It's a game. It's about being fast. Not about simulating a real gunfight. Some people like gun games. I'd rather simulate real life. GL |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 12:16:22 AM EDT
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Any time score is kept you will have people who will do whatever it takes to win, this is unavoidable. You will get out of competing, what you put into it. The trick is putting aside your ego and accepting that you will not win. Go to fulfull your own personal goals and have fun. Get more like-minded people involved and compete against each other. Or make it your goal to beat some of the mouse-fart ammo guys using your full power loads, if you can beat half of them, or half of the 1897 guys consider yourself to be doing well. When we used to have shotgun only matches locally, it was my goal to beat half the auto guys using my pump....a goal I usually accomplished or did better than that. My marksmanship and gun handling skills stay sharp and continually improve by regularly competing. If I had decided to quit because I'd never win, I would have gained nothing. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 1:37:14 AM EDT
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"If I had decided to quit because I'd never win, I would have gained nothing."
Excellent point. GL |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 1:51:32 AM EDT
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not that I could reload as fast as him but how is he when someone is shooting back?
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Posted: 1/31/2006 5:58:25 AM EDT
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Im a fan of living life, and playing games. CAA has no value in real world tactical training, but it seems hella fun. Games are games, training is training. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 11:52:58 AM EDT
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True Dat.... 
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Posted: 1/31/2006 11:56:50 AM EDT
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still, a pretty slow rate of fire
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Posted: 1/31/2006 9:02:29 PM EDT
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A slow rate, until you consider that with each shot, you are releasing nine .32 caliber rounds. That kicks it up a notch.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 11:38:12 PM EDT
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This is slightly off the topic of quick reloads, but in line with the topic of fast and accurate shotgun shooting as referred to in the above entry. I was checking out the Winchester ammo site tonight and came across this news report saying that "Patrick Flanigan, the first Winchester firearm sponsored exhibition shooter since the legendary Herb Parsons, became the first person in recorded history to throw eleven clay targets into the air and break each one with an individual shot before hitting the ground. Patrick duplicated the old record of ten targets on numerous occasions; however, the eleven target goal was an elusive and difficult barrier to break." Here is a link to his website where you can watch his shooting. GL |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 7:31:10 AM EDT
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Back in the late 70's and or early 80's we were taught in our LE classes, to cup the round in your off hand, roll it under the receiver, pushing the round against the receiver, and push it in the ejection port with your finger tips. It wasn't terribly fast, but reduced the chance of dropping a round under stress.
The idea was, you could load one round to cover a suspect, then load the magazine with the off hand while keeping the gun on target. Still works pretty well. Speedloading like this was never taught, or practiced. Times have changed. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 2:08:16 PM EDT
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very cool to watch, but it is not gun fighting.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 2:55:30 PM EDT
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I read these comments like "it's not gun fighting" and just get annoyed...obviously it isn't gun fighting as no one is shooting back. The implication though is they are doing something "tactically" unsound.
Speed is a tactic...the first one to disable his oponent through accurately delivered gun fire is the victor in a gun fight. Mindset of course comes into play and is a component of the classic combat triad; Mindset, Marksmanship, and Gun Handling, but the ability to shoot fast and accurately is never a bad thing. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 5:18:27 PM EDT
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Perfectly said. Not only are they learning speed, but they are also getting a lot of repetition, which leads to a sense of comfort with the weapon and thus a second nature reaction in a gunfight. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 5:32:28 PM EDT
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Real nice...perhaps they should try it with loads made for defensive purposes instead of busting clay birds
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Posted: 2/1/2006 5:54:17 PM EDT
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uhm the splits might be 0.1 to 0.2 seconds slower...so what? |
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