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Posted: 8/7/2017 5:54:02 AM EDT
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 Sig Sauer P320 Fails Drop Test |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 6:07:11 AM EDT
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Interesting, I guess that's why the Glock has that safety button on the trigger, keeps the trigger from moving rearward even if dropped harshly at weird angles. But the Sig doesn't have this trigger safety feature. I guess they may want to think about adding it. Or maybe someone can make an aftermarket Glock style trigger for the Sig. But of course the odds of someone dropping their gun is pretty rare, so most probably won't even care about this potential problem.
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Posted: 8/7/2017 6:20:26 AM EDT
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I think these guns had been beat on as well. I saw somewhere one got thrown 50ft in the air?
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Posted: 8/7/2017 6:57:19 AM EDT
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Interesting. Could it be the mass of the trigger at that angle is enough to make it go off?
I'm sure sig will fix it. V |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 6:59:19 AM EDT
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How high were the dropped from?
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:00:32 AM EDT
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I think these guns had been beat on as well. I saw somewhere one got thrown 50ft in the air? |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:27:02 AM EDT
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I had always assumed that the drop test was of the pistol being dropped on its rear, since that would be the axis of force required to activate the trigger mechanism. The video states that the drop test includes being dropped on every side except the rear. WTF?
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:31:51 AM EDT
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Not a SIG buyer or SIG hater.
I did think it was interesting that they said they would no longer sell the guns until SIG "fixes" the problem. Not many companies take a stand that hurts sales unless forced to by a public outcry. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:45:35 AM EDT
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Where are all those bullets going from those tests?
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Posted: 8/7/2017 7:56:36 AM EDT
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Where are all those bullets going from those tests? |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 8:15:50 AM EDT
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Where are all those bullets going from those tests?  at the 1:52 mark where you can see his hand drop the gun, then  at 2:03 with the dude hanging out in shorts and flip flops.
Not disputing the test results though. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 8:16:34 AM EDT
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A blank or primer only going off tells you all you need to know. I sure as shit wouldn't be volunteering to stand there if it had live ammo in it. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 8:21:59 AM EDT
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Well this seems to be a problem. Why did the military accept?
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Posted: 8/7/2017 8:32:15 AM EDT
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Interesting, I guess that's why the Glock has that safety button on the trigger, keeps the trigger from moving rearward even if dropped harshly at weird angles. But the Sig doesn't have this trigger safety feature. I guess they may want to think about adding it. Or maybe someone can make an aftermarket Glock style trigger for the Sig. But of course the odds of someone dropping their gun is pretty rare, so most probably won't even care about this potential problem. I can usually tell if a longgun is unsteady and might fall but handguns fall from butter fingers or moving range bags, etc around. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 8:46:24 AM EDT
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I wonder how many more sellers will pull the pistol before Sig releases a solution or fixes the issue. This is going to be a shit storm especially after Sig just released a statement saying everything is ok.
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Posted: 8/7/2017 8:50:08 AM EDT
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I think these guns had been beat on as well. I saw somewhere one got thrown 50ft in the air? |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 8:52:32 AM EDT
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Interesting. Could it be the mass of the trigger at that angle is enough to make it go off? I'm sure sig will fix it. V |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 8:58:34 AM EDT
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Would the trigger need to be even lighter if the gun was dropped from chest hight? Or with a fully loaded magazine?
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:10:27 AM EDT
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Where are all those bullets going from those tests? |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:17:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:17:58 AM EDT
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Not sure. I've got my K-pot on until I find out for sure. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:20:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf you look at the top gif I made, if that was real life, with real, loaded bullets, it's possible that would have fired twice! 
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:21:33 AM EDT
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Guess I'll put my purchase plans on hold.
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:27:24 AM EDT
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Not a SIG buyer or SIG hater. I did think it was interesting that they said they would no longer sell the guns until SIG "fixes" the problem. Not many companies take a stand that hurts sales unless forced to by a public outcry. They can't sell them. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:33:11 AM EDT
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Why on Earth is dropping it on the back of the slide not part of any government or industry drop testing???!!!
Are we about to see some changes and a whole lot of other pistols failing? |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:45:27 AM EDT
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Undocumented Russian Spetsnaz feature.
You can chuck the Sig around the corner like a tomahawk and shoot your opponent who was taking cover at an otherwise unreachable angle. 
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Posted: 8/7/2017 10:59:58 AM EDT
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I wonder how many more sellers will pull the pistol before Sig releases a solution or fixes the issue. This is going to be a shit storm especially after Sig just released a statement saying everything is ok. I think we're going to see a trigger safety retrofit in the next month. Sig is going to hate that because they've never had a Glock-style trigger safety. Only other option might be a 1911 style grip safety. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:16:38 AM EDT
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meh, I carried a series 70 1911 for many years, and everyone know that's a recipe for disaster.
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:17:33 AM EDT
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Sig is going to say it passed all the drop tests, which it did. Their drop tests, however, (and apparently industry standard at that) never include a drop on the rear of the slide. Only the muzzle end or on the side. I think we're going to see a trigger safety retrofit in the next month. Sig is going to hate that because they've never had a Glock-style trigger safety. Only other option might be a 1911 style grip safety. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:32:23 AM EDT
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Sig already has a "Glock style" safety tabbed trigger as an option for a 320.
Look for that "option" to be the only option from now on. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:37:32 AM EDT
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meh, I carried a series 70 1911 for many years, and everyone know that's a recipe for disaster. M9 still a good pistol. Military is stuck with the 320 at this point. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:38:13 AM EDT
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I am kind of disappointed I think the P320 is a good pistol and Sig has always made good stuff. While myself I am not sure what it is about the P320 I have never gone out of my way to get one yet. I do not shoot it bad, I like the trigger, and have shot them a decent bit when I shot with my friend who has one. Hope Sig comes up with a fix and remedies this so the P320 can get back to work. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:41:14 AM EDT
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Not sure. I've got my K-pot on until I find out for sure.
ETA: All this talk about different angles and such, maybe it's ok for range and CCW use(at your own risk). But, for .mil with moving under fire and over uneven terrain dropped weapons is a fact of life and this isssue should be a non starter. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:43:38 AM EDT
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Was going to buy one at the show this weekend when some guy walks by with a Smith 908. Had to hàve it and the price was right. Dodged a bullet on that one. Re confirms my hard and fast rule of never being an early adopter.
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:46:28 AM EDT
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Was going to buy one at the show this weekend when some guy walks by with a Smith 908. Had to hàve it and the price was right. Dodged a bullet on that one. Re confirms my hard and fast rule of never being an early adopter. Truth is that this 320 has no history with LE or military. I think that, alone, is a mistake for the .mil to have bought it. I also understand that there are issues with the current configs not cycling with some suppressors. This matters because our suppressors are being evaluated by SOCOM right now. They are testing with the 320. They are also testing with G-19 and P226. Sig is aware. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:50:33 AM EDT
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A 908 was one of the first guns I've ever carried. My first P320C has been through hell and back. Fallen out of holsters, dropped, and I've never had an issue.
But I do have an Apex flatty in all of my 320s. Maybe there is something there. I'm still carrying it daily. All I know is that I had a G17 slide fall right off about two years ago. All manufacturers have issues and just like Glock, Sig will fix this. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 11:52:43 AM EDT
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I wonder if the increased velocity and resulting force from the additional weight of real ammo would have caused the light trigger to fire also.
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:06:33 PM EDT
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Wrong. Sig has NOT always made good stuff. Research. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:08:19 PM EDT
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This appears to be a problem. If these tests are legit, which they look to be, it's only gonna be a matter of time before someone gets shot. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:10:30 PM EDT
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Not a SIG buyer or SIG hater. I did think it was interesting that they said they would no longer sell the guns until SIG "fixes" the problem. Not many companies take a stand that hurts sales unless forced to by a public outcry. Other than that they make high-bore-axis crap. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:17:04 PM EDT
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Guess I'll put my purchase plans on hold. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:19:11 PM EDT
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Well this seems to be a problem. Why did the military accept? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Well this seems to be a problem. Why did the military accept? The NATO requirements don't drop the gun this way. I'm betting the FBI did, though. Quoted:
Why on Earth is dropping it on the back of the slide not part of any government or industry drop testing???!!! Are we about to see some changes and a whole lot of other pistols failing? A Beretta M9 can be dropped this way and it will be fine. This kind of drop is why the Glock and all the other polymer striker-fired pistols on the market have the trigger block safeties. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:24:51 PM EDT
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You did not really answer my question though. I said good not great.. The P220/6/7/8/9 are great pistols the P320 potentially can become a great pistol. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:25:31 PM EDT
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I wonder if the increased velocity and resulting force from the additional weight of real ammo would have caused the light trigger to fire also. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 12:57:51 PM EDT
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Sig is going to say it passed all the drop tests, which it did. Their drop tests, however, (and apparently industry standard at that) never include a drop on the rear of the slide. Only the muzzle end or on the side. I think we're going to see a trigger safety retrofit in the next month. Sig is going to hate that because they've never had a Glock-style trigger safety. Only other option might be a 1911 style grip safety. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 1:05:15 PM EDT
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Glock solved this problem 30 years ago. Just sayin', it's dumb that they didn't include a trigger safety. Pretty much all other striker fired guns have them.
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Posted: 8/7/2017 1:44:18 PM EDT
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Would the trigger need to be even lighter if the gun was dropped from chest hight? Or with a fully loaded magazine? How am I in on 1?! |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 2:18:13 PM EDT
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If you look at the top gif I made, if that was real life, with real, loaded bullets, it's possible that would have fired twice! Quote HistoryQuoted:
If you look at the top gif I made, if that was real life, with real, loaded bullets, it's possible that would have fired twice!
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Posted: 8/7/2017 2:20:18 PM EDT
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Well the .mil did move away from the 1911 into something called the M9. M9 still a good pistol. Military is stuck with the 320 at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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meh, I carried a series 70 1911 for many years, and everyone know that's a recipe for disaster. M9 still a good pistol. Military is stuck with the 320 at this point. On the plus side the CMP hasn't gotten the m9s yet and beretta is still delivering guns untill 2019. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 2:54:08 PM EDT
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good move. Truth is that this 320 has no history with LE or military. I think that, alone, is a mistake for the .mil to have bought it. I also understand that there are issues with the current configs not cycling with some suppressors. This matters because our suppressors are being evaluated by SOCOM right now. They are testing with the 320. They are also testing with G-19 and P226. Sig is aware. |
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