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Posted: 10/21/2019 1:58:16 PM EDT
Dan Wesson going after the 2011 crowd!
 ModelDWX 9MM Caliber 9mm Magazine Capacity 19 Frame Material Steel Slide Finish Duty Finish Grips Aluminum Overall Length 8.52 in Barrel Length 5 Height 5.85 in Width 1.25 in Weight 43 oz Trigger Mech Single Action Front Sight Fiber Optic Rear Sight Adjustable Safety Ambi thumb safety MSRP $1,799 Product Name DWX 9MM May just be my next purchase when I sell a Czechmate. 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 2:33:07 PM EDT
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UHHHHH WANT
But with a threaded barrel and tall sights. I wanted a 1911ish suppressor host dammit but wanted doublestack and high capacity but not that 2011 hybrid lower shit. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 2:39:28 PM EDT
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So how is it different than the gun it’s supposed to replace?
Not much cheaper... |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 2:59:21 PM EDT
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That's some serious competition for the newer STI's for sure. I like what I'm reading about the design. Sounds great.
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Posted: 10/21/2019 3:18:34 PM EDT
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B34uT4lp230/?igshid=1rpyb19w1o6gp
It started as an experiment — a grand melding of Dan Wesson and CZ pistols. Borrowing the crisp single action fire control group of a DW 1911 and combining it with the ergonomics and capacity of a CZ, the resulting pistol emerged as something great. Designed initially for competition use, the DWX has evolved into much more than that, with both full-size and compact variants. Its locked breech barrel system is simple, ditching the standard 1911 link system and using CZ-style takedown via the slide stop. The easier take-down will be familiar to any hammer-fired CZ owner, as is removing the Match-grade barrel due to the bushing-less barrel system that resembles a P-10 or P-09/P-07. Double-stack magazines boost the capacity of the full-size to 19+1 with flush bases, and many standard 1911 parts enable gunsmiths and competitive shooters to tune the X just the way they like it. Sights are easily customized, using a 1911-style dovetailed sight in the front and a CZ Shadow 2 style sight cut in the rear. With the grip angle and contours that have made the CZ 75 a stand-out in the realm of pistol ergonomics, the DWX is a natural fit to most hands. The full-size DWX uses standard CZ 75 grips, while the compact DWX uses those from a 75 Compact. Corresponding magwells for the 75 series are compatible as well. With so many ways to tune and customize, the DWX is sure to shine in USPSA Limited Division! Full-size DWX pistols use a magazine based on the P-09/P-10 F, while compact variants use that of a 75 Compact. 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 3:26:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/21/2019 4:53:37 PM EDT
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The 1911 purists will hate it.
The CZ purists will hate it. Which is too bad because it may turn out to be a damned fine pistol. I can tell you that DW’s 1911 triggers are great from the factory. After you put a 1,000 rounds through them, they’re fantastic. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 5:04:34 PM EDT
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The 1911 purists will hate it. The CZ purists will hate it. Which is too bad because it may turn out to be a damned fine pistol. I can tell you that DW’s 1911 triggers are great from the factory. After you put a 1,000 rounds through them, they’re fantastic. the 1911 fan bois will lose it where as the CZ nuts will full on embrace it. I am betting this will be the new hotness in Limited Division. I may just buy one to buy it.  I dont shoot Limited, but everyone loves a 2011 and this is basically a CZ 2011  The mag choice is interesting. Wonder how long before Dawson makes the Ice Magwell and better sights. At least there are basepads and inexpensive mags out there already. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 5:14:31 PM EDT
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How many rounds in 40? If it runs 100% out of the box it will have a slight edge over a 2011 simply because of mag cost. If it can give you a tuned 1911 trigger in that frame it will be amazing.
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:27:39 PM EDT
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How many rounds in 40? |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:34:38 PM EDT
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I already have a Shadow 2.
I was seriously thinking about FOing on a Staccato P. Now this. Dangit. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:36:26 PM EDT
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A 1911 SAO trigger and safety, combined with the capacity, reliability, and ergonomics of a CZ75, with 9mm, 40S&W, fullsize and compact variants?
Yeah, they’re definitely aiming for the 2011 both in the competition circuit and in the relatively new duty 2011 market. And if this gun performs half as decent as it sounds, it’s gonna be a lethal shot. Definitely something to keep an eye on |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 7:37:59 PM EDT
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I was seriously thinking about FOing on a Staccato P. Now this. Dangit. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:07:50 PM EDT
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So, who is going to be the beta tester ?
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:41:01 PM EDT
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How many rounds in 40? |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 9:41:27 PM EDT
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How many rounds in 40? If it runs 100% out of the box it will have a slight edge over a 2011 simply because of mag cost. If it can give you a tuned 1911 trigger in that frame it will be amazing.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:06:13 PM EDT
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So, who is going to be the beta tester ? 
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:26:12 PM EDT
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Will this use existing CZ P09 mags? Or will we have to buy brand new, ever so slightly modded P09 mags, thereby crushing my hopes and dreams?
Thats the $1800 question. |
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Posted: 10/21/2019 11:44:07 PM EDT
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Will this use existing CZ P09 mags? Or will we have to buy brand new, ever so slightly modded P09 mags, thereby crushing my hopes and dreams? Thats the $1800 question. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 12:21:05 AM EDT
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When will these be available for purchase?
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Posted: 10/22/2019 12:40:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2019 1:51:25 AM EDT
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I must be missing something. What is the benefit of such a pistol?
How is it better than a TSO or a Shadow 2? Please someone explain the advantages to me |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 3:26:19 AM EDT
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I must be missing something. What is the benefit of such a pistol? How is it better than a TSO or a Shadow 2? Please someone explain the advantages to me |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:24:20 AM EDT
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I think you are half right. the 1911 fan bois will lose it where as the CZ nuts will full on embrace it. I am betting this will be the new hotness in Limited Division. I may just buy one to buy it. I dont shoot Limited, but everyone loves a 2011 and this is basically a CZ 2011 The mag choice is interesting. Wonder how long before Dawson makes the Ice Magwell and better sights. At least there are basepads and inexpensive mags out there already. Why would someone buy a $5,000 Combat Master when this is available? |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 5:08:33 PM EDT
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Why would someone buy a $5,000 Combat Master when this is available? |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 9:12:21 PM EDT
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And let’s not forget the cost of magazine’s. $25-$40 vs $125+
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:53:19 PM EDT
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I was about to buy another Dan Wesson 1911 but will get this instead.
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Posted: 10/22/2019 11:00:29 PM EDT
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And let’s not forget the cost of magazine’s. $25-$40 vs $125+ |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:41:58 AM EDT
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Want
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Posted: 10/23/2019 9:25:27 AM EDT
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I am very interested in this.
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Posted: 10/23/2019 9:40:14 AM EDT
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And let’s not forget the cost of magazine’s. $25-$40 vs $125+ . Hope you can use existing P09 mags on this DWX though.
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Posted: 10/23/2019 11:03:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would someone buy a $5,000 Combat Master when this is available? |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 11:10:09 AM EDT
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Why would someone buy a $5,000 Combat Master, period? |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:34:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are you guys seeing $5000? It says $3900 on STI's site. Not defending the price but saying it's $5000 is exaggerating just a bit. Extra options maybe? Doesn't really matter, because either price is silly for an STI considering the other 2011 makers in that price range. IMO. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:28:18 PM EDT
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I'm just quoting the other guy, I don't actually know what they cost. Doesn't really matter, because either price is silly for an STI considering the other 2011 makers in that price range. IMO. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 3:36:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure. Again i wasn't defending STi's price on they Combat master, that model just didn't strike me as a fair comparison to the DWX. I don't think the combat master is even meant for limited. STI's limited gun runs $3k. So the question to me is, what makes an STI limited gun worth $1200 more than the DWX. If the DWX pans out, i don't think there's much reason to go 2011. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 4:22:16 PM EDT
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A lot of people seem to exaggerate whichever way helps their argument. People keep talking about the combat master rather than a entry level STI which would be a much better comparison. The Staccato is only $200 more in MSRP.
I think this gun will do well and that a bunch of non competition shooters will buy them. I wish Sig would do something similar so I could use the pile of mags I have. Quoted: Never mind the $130 2011 mags that usually don't even run reliably without tinkering with them or paying someone even more money to get them tuned. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 5:21:49 PM EDT
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A lot of people seem to exaggerate whichever way helps their argument. People keep talking about the combat master rather than a entry level STI which would be a much better comparison. The Staccato is only $200 more in MSRP. I think this gun will do well and that a bunch of non competition shooters will buy them. I wish Sig would do something similar so I could use the pile of mags I have. As mentioned STI has dropped their mag prices to $50. Supposed to be better all around. I need to sell or swap my old ones and see if it’s true. The dwx compact being much more of a cco/p10-c/p-01 sized gun and the dwx fullsize being a 5" government size equivalent Eta: the dwx with a more contoured and trimmed grip geometry than the comparable 2011s does open things up for smaller handed individuals and the reversible mag catch also makes the product a bit more lefty friendly |
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Posted: 10/24/2019 11:18:54 AM EDT
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Very interesting.
I have been thinking about picking up an AccuShadow...but now this makes it a debate. |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 9:26:54 AM EDT
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I want an optics ready version of this pistol. It takes CZ mags which is what sold me on it. That is one reason I never really got into the 2011 the mags are stupid expensive.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 12:37:11 PM EDT
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Jesus this is beautiful---they should' ve made optics cut an option though IMO. That said---I want one.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 2:33:26 PM EDT
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With them marketing towards USPSA it doesn't make sense on this model. I am sure if it does well we will see more variants. Optics ready with a threaded barrel would be a solid gun.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 5:18:19 PM EDT
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Needs 18-20 in a 140mm mag to be viable in limited |
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Posted: 10/25/2019 6:50:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's 19/20 with 140's.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 9:56:51 AM EDT
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I think a lot of you guys aren't appreciating the most important detail of this beauty . . .
This design uses the P-09's modern external lug barrel lock-up. A la Glock, Sig, M&P, and every other modern duty pistol. An external lug locked breech completely antiquates the 1911/2011 internal lugs and swinging barrel link design. Not even the TSO or Shadow 2 can offer that, as both still use internal barrel lugs. A 2011 with a superior, modern lockup making it much more duty reliable? I'm in! And the only other option right now even remotely close to this idea is Phoenix Trinity's $5,000 Honcho pistol. The price tag aside, I for one am hopeful this DW option takes a little hot air out of Mama Cass's sermons. The only thing that I find weird is the blank space between the top of the grip panel, and the bottom of the fire controls. Is that to allow the pistol to feel slimmer when the shooter is choking up as much as possible? Or did they just get lazy and not want to design a completely new grip panel? I want to feel one before I commit, and it is that area above the grip panel that gives me pause. And just when I thought I was sold on Beretta's new 92X. Damn it!!!! |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 10:50:00 AM EDT
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I think a lot of you guys aren't appreciating the most important detail of this beauty . . . This design uses the P-09's modern external lug barrel lock-up. A la Glock, Sig, M&P, and every other modern duty pistol. An external lug locked breech completely antiquates the 1911/2011 internal lugs and swinging barrel link design. Not even the TSO or Shadow 2 can offer that, as both still use internal barrel lugs. A 2011 with a superior, modern lockup making it much more duty reliable? I'm in! And the only other option right now even remotely close to this idea is Phoenix Trinity's $5,000 Honcho pistol. The price tag aside, I for one am hopeful this DW option takes a little hot air out of Mama Cass's sermons. The only thing that I find weird is the blank space between the top of the grip panel, and the bottom of the fire controls. Is that to allow the pistol to feel slimmer when the shooter is choking up as much as possible? Or did they just get lazy and not want to design a completely new grip panel? I want to feel one before I commit, and it is that area above the grip panel that gives me pause. And just when I thought I was sold on Beretta's new 92X. Damn it!!!! |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 1:29:51 PM EDT
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Well that didn't take long.
Cheers! |
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Posted: 10/26/2019 2:00:46 PM EDT
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I am curious to know as well. I am glad to see that type of barrel as they seem to be easier to fit but I don't think I've seen that lockup mentioned as more reliable.
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Posted: 10/26/2019 5:10:18 PM EDT
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Well that didn't take long. Cheers! |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 4:56:58 AM EDT
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I feel obtuse and can someone explain the benefits of this pistol?
I don't understand it at all. What does it do better than a TSO or a Shadow 2? |
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Posted: 10/27/2019 5:05:06 AM EDT
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I feel obtuse and can someone explain the benefits of this pistol? I don't understand it at all. What does it do better than a TSO or a Shadow 2? Basically, it takes the single most desirable feature of the 1911, and then pairs it with CZ ergonomics/reliability/high cap mags. |
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