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Posted: 1/14/2006 2:54:49 AM EDT
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Cool!!
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Posted: 1/14/2006 3:03:48 AM EDT
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THANKS! I had been looking for that!
At Bulletfest 3 I offered to make a deal. I would supply an AK, if somebody would supply an AR, and we would duplicate that. I didn't have any takers 
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Posted: 1/14/2006 7:51:07 PM EDT
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Well soldiers drop their M16's all the time, and I've known a person who ran over his with a Humvee, the M1114 Uparmored that weighs a few thousand pounds more than the standard 998, and this wasn't on soft ground, it was on asphalt.
So the AK was designed to be used by clumsy oafs who can't hold onto their weapons? With the training of the fighters in Liberia, the ones that have shown up here more than a few times? And now somebody is going to jump in with the story of the buried AK, and the stories they heard from their dad's, uncles, friend, who knew a coworker that was SF in Vietnam and his M16 jammed all the time, so he ditched it and used an AK right. The M16 was made for professional soldiers, or professionally, well trained soldiers who would spend some time cleaning their weapons. The Soviet army seemed to be based on the idea that quantity has a quality all it's own, and spent less time in training the simple things. An no, I'm not an AK basher, I have my cheap WASR, and would love to be able to afford a couple VEPR,s and Arsenals. I'm also an AR owner. I'm just tired of this constant drivel about which is better, and the stupid things that continue to be spouted. The AK always works the AR always jams. The AR is very accurate, the AK can't hit hte broad side of a barn. |
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Posted: 1/14/2006 8:13:45 PM EDT
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Perhaps you should check out another post i made in the optics section, my comment was that AR's are more reliable than you might think but AKs are more accurate than you might think.
My comments here were intended to poke fun at the high cost of an AR and the likely unwillingness of an AR owner to subject his weapon to that. I am fully aware of the ARs reputation, my best freind carried an M-4 durring his last tour with Seal Team 1 Charlie Platoon in Iraq. Their weapons are beat to shit, and yes, they do jam, yes, you do need to spend time cleaning them, but ultimately they do go bang with great regularity. I would challenge you though to ask him which rifle he would rather carry, after having trained some ING troops and having had exposure to it, he vastly prefers the AK to his M-4, he cited an instance where for sevral weeks in a row they were experiancing random jams in multiple weapons where the cartridge would ride up on top of the bolt of an M4 durring extraction and cause the weapon to jam, this jam requires a set of needle nose pliars and 3 men to clear, obviously not something you want to deal with in a firefight. It got so bad that the entire platoon began to carry Leatherman tools in anticipation of this event. In this situation you could count on an AK to fire, thats about it. I am well aware of the merits and drawbacks of both weapons, i simply wanted to draw attention to the test shown in the video and not start a fight. I hope we can all be less sensitive in the future. |
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Posted: 1/14/2006 10:23:33 PM EDT
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 The AK is still better! 
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Posted: 1/14/2006 10:25:34 PM EDT
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This sounds like a case for "Shut the F*&K up and get back to the AR Side-MAN" BLAH BLAH BLAH. Do any of you other AK guys go over there and cry in the AR threads about how AK arent that innacurate?  
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Posted: 1/14/2006 10:29:32 PM EDT
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+1 
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Posted: 1/14/2006 10:35:09 PM EDT
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There's AR threads here???  Whatchu drinkin fella
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Posted: 1/14/2006 10:35:42 PM EDT
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re-bump for accessory queens.
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Posted: 1/14/2006 11:53:11 PM EDT
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Inacurate- yet another dumbass who doesn't know AK's, sorry bro', my 5.56 AK is just as accurate as my LMT. The AK being more durable and in 5.56 or 5.45 just as accurate.
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Posted: 1/15/2006 12:17:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2006 3:46:14 AM EDT
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Well here's the opposite side. My cousin is/was Army SOG . 7th group and 20th group. While I was asking him stuff during a Christmas gathering , I asked if they had access to different weapons and such. To train with and carry if need be. The reply I got was they do get some weapons training with other country's stuff and the M4 was the only rifle/ carbine he would pick to carry if he had to choose.Said they might carry an AK only if they was deep in Indian country and resupply was an issue. If the whole platoon of seals rifles was round over bolting then they had some ammo problems / mag problems. The worst jam I have ever had in any type of rifle was a Bulgarian AK74. It did the same thing it seemingly didn't eject the spent case and it wound up on top of the piston area while fireing the rifle. It locked it up solid. It was really embarrassing when it happened. I was at a Georgia AR15.com gathering. So it didn't happen on the range by myself. I had 30 + gun nuts there watching my poor AK lock up. But I will say it cleared easily. I had to pop the top cover off and shake it out. It wrapped around the piston over the top. I haven't a clue how that could have happened. I guess maybe a weak Wolf load and it short stroked and didn't clear the ejection area fully.Cheers WarDawg |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 7:15:37 AM EDT
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I've owned them both ... Sold the ARs ...
Now I own 7 AKs ... That means absolutely nothing except that I can buy what I want ... I want 7 more AKs ... Reliability comes with the rifle ... Accuracy comes with practice ... It's just an opinion but I think ARs are over priced POS ... |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 7:45:10 AM EDT
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Well I won't be selling off my AR's anytime soon but I do truly believe the AK to be the superior system in terms of reliability and in the 5.45 or 5.56 cals- just as accurate with the same type of ammo. However they are producing gas piston systems for the AR and once they eliminate the bolt carrier buffer return system with need for a buttstock tube then the AR would likely be as reliable- course the SIG 551/2 series already did this but on an AK/FAL/HK style platform. Not to mention these days you can purchase rail system handguards for your AK's, ambi-saftey's, ambi-mag releases, and pretty much outfit them as you would an AR. The only thing lacking in the entire system is a bolt hold open system for faster mag changes.
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Posted: 1/15/2006 8:52:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2006 9:13:10 AM EDT
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Funny, the fix for the AR reliability issue is to mimic an AK. Some on this site [cough] CJ [cough] would have you believe you can fill an AR with mud and it will still shot sub-quarter MOA groups. 
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Posted: 1/15/2006 9:42:56 AM EDT
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I have heard of MANY, yes thats right MANY soldiers dumping their AR's and opting to go with the Airsoft AK which is has also been deemed more reliable then the AR system, and a hell of alot lighter!
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Posted: 1/15/2006 9:58:01 AM EDT
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Really? How many AK's use G-41 type short stroke tappet pistons? |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 10:15:34 AM EDT
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I must have hurt your feelings, huh? |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 10:18:45 AM EDT
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How could you? You would have to understand what your are saying first. You like to spout stuff you know nothing about. But please carry on...... |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 10:21:42 AM EDT
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You really should change your tampon there, buddy. |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 10:22:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2006 10:23:30 AM EDT
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I am sorry, I could not understand you. Perhaps you could post more clearly if you first removed that sand from your mangina. |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 10:27:02 AM EDT
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Oooooh. 
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Posted: 1/15/2006 10:30:30 AM EDT
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These little AR bitches sure are sensitive. "It's a Super-Delta G41 Alpha Bravo Short Stroke Ninja Piston." Hey, buddy, it's still a fucking gas piston.
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Posted: 1/15/2006 10:38:35 AM EDT
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And you third world whoebags don't know which end of the tube the round comes out of.
Is isn't still just a piston and it helps if you actually understand what your are trying to argue when you say it. BTW, I'll bet you would give your left nut for my AK collection but that is hard to do when you are stuck with a manginia!
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Posted: 1/15/2006 11:59:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2006 12:14:26 PM EDT
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These arguements are soooooooo GAY.
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Posted: 1/15/2006 1:52:49 PM EDT
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Same Shit, Different Day.
It's the reason I really quit going to the AR Forum.This shit is fast spreading thru the AK forums as well......  sad really. I guess we no longer just appreciate the design of guns and thier construction and beauty. You have people who are stuck on thier guns prasing them to the high heavens. Yes ARs are *GASP!*  Reliable and Accurate under harsh combat conditions. and Yes AKs are Reliable and Accurate under the same conditions. And Yes AKs JAM as do ARs. Get over it No gun is 100% functional at all times.I also enjoy hearing the same stupid shit from idiots willing to put up a 300 dollar romy for a torture test against somebody's 1K Bushmaster... And then they wonder why nobody will take up the challenge?!...  TO some people a rifle is a luxery item, not meant to be beat to death to prove a point to some Idiot who has nothing but free time on his hands. Some people like to preserve thier guns, in hopes of passing them down to children and grandchildren. So don't shit on somebody when they don't want to get thier rifles scuffed and scratched. They means alot to some people. I'm sure you guys all have rifles which if someone put a scratch in the surface you might go off the handle. I'm still always suprised NOBODY has learned one simple fact of life..... The man behind the rifle is the most important part of the equation reguardless of what is in his hands. Greater men have done more with less gun in thier hands.  Jake. |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 2:02:37 PM EDT
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Besides all the queer talk. That vid was pretty cool. I also liked watching that redneck looking guy with the SVD speaking russian. He looks like he could fit right in out here in the sticks of ol' Virginny.
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Posted: 1/15/2006 2:06:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2006 2:23:34 PM EDT
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mrmoshzilla is the type of guy who would wait and listen thru an super important speech then at the very end Fart and ruin it all..... God Bless you mrmoshzilla
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Posted: 1/15/2006 2:34:50 PM EDT
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sorry man i was a preacher's kid. sermons have a strange effect on me.
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Posted: 1/15/2006 2:55:43 PM EDT
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Jake you seem like a smart and resonable guy. It's good to have folks like you here on this site. , Cheers WarDawg |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 2:56:26 PM EDT
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I think I've pointed that out too actually. I'm just sick and tired of childish people and same stupid arguments, based on hearsay and near myth that have been going around for decades. It gets annoying the thousandth time you hear the same crap being spewed. But then I guess I should just take my own advice, and once I see what shit is in a post, just ignore it. |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 3:18:58 PM EDT
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Why thank you kind sir!
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Posted: 1/15/2006 8:08:50 PM EDT
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+1 to that post lol, a gas piston is a gas piston, im sorry, but it doesnt take in idiot to figure out its a more reliable system, or maybe it does? who cares. AK's go bang, and shoot just fine.
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Posted: 1/15/2006 8:14:13 PM EDT
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i gotta say, i post a video and it blows up into a pissing contest, when i joined this site it was about the admiration and technical discussion of our rifles, at least on the AK side for sure, it seems as if this trend is changing, damn shame. it almost makes me not want to post anymore
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Posted: 1/15/2006 8:24:08 PM EDT
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Funny aint it that the M-16 really always has been piston operated! But a piston is a piston! I dont suppose the AK's reliability might have about 99% more to do with the enormous clearance inside the reciever instead of getting a little less carbon in the bolt area would it? |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 8:51:19 PM EDT
[#40]
Now cut the shit out!!! Its MLK day !!!
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Posted: 1/15/2006 8:52:35 PM EDT
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Which month is Black Rifle History month?
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Posted: 1/15/2006 8:57:58 PM EDT
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The question is what chanel is the Black Rifle Telivison show on? |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 8:59:40 PM EDT
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BRET.
Louis Farrakahn is not the person of the year for this channel, Chuck Norris is. |
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Posted: 1/15/2006 9:01:46 PM EDT
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Walker Texas Ranger roundhouses all rifles, AK or AR, doesnt matter
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Posted: 1/15/2006 9:05:16 PM EDT
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Chuck can shoot down sattelites and destroy T-72's with both rifles.
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Posted: 1/15/2006 9:07:52 PM EDT
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I know he has done this with a Snub 38 using +p ammo Gold Dots
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Posted: 1/15/2006 11:00:16 PM EDT
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yes it does have more to do with the tolerences in the reciever, but why then are all these gas piston AR uppers comeing to market? why would the U.S. military contract out to convert all existing AR's to this new system? i think theres something to it
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Posted: 1/15/2006 11:08:34 PM EDT
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Wow.
No offense, but AK owners are some of the most immature, flamiest (is that even a word?), most argumentative, stuck up, know nothing people I have ever known. But that's just my opinion. Believe it, or don't. 
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Posted: 1/15/2006 11:20:26 PM EDT
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i cant see how thats possible, at least our side of this discussion forum used to be quite clean and based solely on technical discussion and admiration of our favorite rifles, it seems lately that it has become increasingly argumentative like the AR side, its a shame
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Posted: 1/16/2006 8:01:53 AM EDT
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1) Its clearances, not tolerances. Clearances are deliberate. Loose tolerances are poor manufacture, sloppy headspace, kaboom...
2) If you will notice, these are all carbine length designs. These are primarily to make a well timed carbine length upper with a lower cyclic rate. Parts longevity and controability in full auto are the reasons, not carbon reduction. That is merely a bonus. The AR design is at its limits in a carbine length gas system due to cyclic and timing issues, issues the full length rifle does not have.
3)They haven't issued any such contract to convert all their weapons. |
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