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Posted: 7/12/2003 12:01:38 PM EDT
[#1]
Man, we fix at least one of those Century guns a week! BE SURE TO CHECK THE HEADSPACE!!! 90% of them are way too big. If you don't know how to check it, let me know and I'll post direction.
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Posted: 7/12/2003 12:04:28 PM EDT
[#2]
Campy,
Dont base your opinion of HK on the stuff Century puts out 
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Posted: 7/12/2003 12:56:53 PM EDT
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trust me, lumpy...i don't! i have NEVER liked h & k products. ANY of them. factory, port, greek, sw, century...they are all bizarre!
hell, not even a kalashnikov uses a tig welder to hold the major pieces together. and talk about filthy...i swear the "delayed roller locking blowallthecrapintotheaction" system is the dirtiest design i've cleaned up after. blackpowder cannons are more snitary. welded cocking tube, trunnion and sights? like i said...and maybe it's just me (probably is!!!)...these thing are...ummm...different! lol! the only reason i bought this piece is...well, let's just say it's going to have a short, but interesting life ahead of it. headspace 'looks' good. after oiling the hell out of it and racking the action a few gazillion times, it's starting to loosen up. no visible gap...gotta get the metric feelers out and hunt that .1mm to .4mm gap (.004" to .016" gap.). i'll clean the crap out of the gutz, pour on the quaker state 30 weight and see where the feeler gauge falls. keep those oversize rollers standing by!!! lol! internal parts show wear, but look to be in good shape. where the hell is the rear sling attachment point? damn buttstock don't appear to have one! must be made by hexxe. now...i finally remembered why i stayed away from these things! heheh! i've got to get my head examined...and soon! next thing you know, i'll be buying one of toad's sw-45 clunkers and trying to hotrod it!!! |
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Posted: 7/12/2003 1:00:24 PM EDT
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I bought 20 of the aluminium HK mags from Old Gun Supply www.oldgunsupply.com for $3 each, and they were all like new. Haven't had a single problem with them in three different guns.
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Posted: 7/12/2003 1:03:56 PM EDT
[#5]
yo campsta...ifn ya want to have some real fun pull the bolt all the way apart not watching how it breaks down. The first time I did one it took me 2 days to get it back together correctly!...it was like a jigsaw puzzle with 1/2 the pieces gone!
Ya should bought one of ORFs HKs muuuuuuuuuch better quality! |
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Posted: 7/12/2003 1:24:12 PM EDT
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I warned you. I go to look at the greasegun clone and see what happens.
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Posted: 7/12/2003 2:01:36 PM EDT
[#7]
Sorry to hear that you hate your G3. I hate my CETME(shoot 8" to the left at 50yds and there is no REAL fix) but I just wanted a HK looking rifle in my collection anyway, and I can comp the 8"when shooting at cans.
The rear sling is attached by sliding the end of the sling through the hole in the stock and using a metal piece that holds on to the end of the sling so the sling can't slide back out. BISHOP |
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Posted: 7/12/2003 3:01:02 PM EDT
[#8]
Please don't insult anyone by equating Century with HK. HK is one of the finest firearms built in the world. You would know and appreciate that if you had in fact purchased one. Instead you bought the cheapest thing you could find and now can't figure out why it doesn't work very well. You got what you paid for, nothing more. Don't drag the good name of HK through the mud because of your terrible decisions.
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Posted: 7/12/2003 3:15:43 PM EDT
[#9]
Oh yeah, check the back of the bolt and look for any grind marks. They ground some of them like that to make it appear that it is headspaced correctly. If it is ground, sharp edges are the give away, it could still be too tight. Saw taht on a couple of them.
Mike |
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Posted: 7/12/2003 4:46:09 PM EDT
[#10]
Bob waits until after we meet there to say he is roller lock shopping, knowing I own a CETME and G3. No feeler gauges on hand of course, but he has to buy one now instead of waiting for next months show (Must the kind of go-getter initiative that makes him a Staff Member).
I'll have a real HK stock set and sling for you at the plate shoot. Or wait till you find out the Century set has no heat sheilding in addition to no sling point in back... CETME steel mags work on these too, since Century builds each on the same receiver. Bishop:is the rear sight off, the front triple frame canted, or do you see an impact spot inside a crooked Century muzzle break? I really like my Cetme, and the recent G3 just needs a rear sight relocation about 1/8" (can you hear the Dremel?). Campy needs me for gun help? Another sign of the impending apocalypse. |
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Posted: 7/12/2003 5:23:06 PM EDT
[#11]
headspaces at .006" (.007" won't go.)...no grind marks on the bolt or carrier. no real battering marks, either.
parts look fairly well used, but no corossion pits. action is kinda stiff and i can't find any binding or rubbing. of course that rec is kinda hard to see inside with everything buttoned up. no worries, 420 rounds thru it tomorrow will tell the tale. either it breaks in, just plain breaks or it hits the road. bishop, i don't know 'who' made the furniture on this clone, but there is no rear sling slot (side of buttstock) or 91 type swivel (underside of traditional 'real' buttstock). matter of fact, this pos plastic but is minus the pushpin type buttplate. perhaps we can talk k-var into making some 'correct' plastic. lol! mainear: You would know and appreciate that if you had in fact purchased one. i've shot a bunch of semi and full h & k rifles. they do not impress me in the least. Don't drag the good name of HK through the mud because of your terrible decisions. get a grip. terrible deciscion??? ummm...ok. you send me your $2000 heckler & jeckler so's i can make a runner out of it! heheheh!! now just why in the name of sam hell would i put a dime more than i had to into a pmds??? please. this i got to hear. rs39, thanks bro! time to do the parts shuffle. i figured that slimline would get plenty hot in a hurry. hey! i got an idea...let's see if we get get it cookin' tomorrow! maybe we can deform it over the saw horses and then strap it to a plate!! we'll tape the buttstock to to the stopper plate. if i can beat a pile-o-1919 parts into one lump, this thing should be a breeze! where's my bfh?!?! |
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Posted: 7/12/2003 5:33:11 PM EDT
[#12]
Tapco is selling G-3 alluminum mags for less than 3 dollars apiece right now. I just received an order of 8 Hungarian 20 round "tanker" mags from them. Included with that shipment was two H&K G3 alluminum mags. I don't have a G3, and don't have current plans to buy one, but the mags were so cheap that I decided to pick a few up.
They are in really nice condition. I'm extremely impressed with them, given the low cost. The Hungarian mags aren't bad either(some rust on a few of them, but other ones look brand new). |
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Posted: 7/12/2003 5:47:29 PM EDT
[#13]
Was at a pathetic excuse for a gunshop with Helldog40 this afternoon... used G3 para mags $25 each and used FN metric mags, $40.
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Posted: 7/12/2003 6:39:18 PM EDT
[#14]
helldog's a great guy! tell him i said "hello"!
yeah, some dufus was selling g3 steels for $30 at the show!!! everyone else was at $4-$7 for steel or aluminum. i salvaged two of the aluminum ones, one steel body is kinked too badly to make it worth messing with. fal mags are $10 for niw...i can't believe folks have the brass to ask $40 for used...agreed, just pathetic. this g3 was almost a gimme, being that the cost is only a little higher than a cementme. gotta scrounge up some pieces parts for it and see if it's as nasty as the fal and m14 when the happy switch is engaged. |
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Posted: 7/12/2003 7:38:37 PM EDT
[#15]
I have a gorgeous Cetme and a fucking uglt L1A1... the Cetme sits in the safe, the L1A1 gets all the range time. Well until my new ORF FAL carbone comes in within the next couple weeks.
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Posted: 7/12/2003 7:48:58 PM EDT
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I go out for the evening and already, there's more than a dozen replies to Campy's gunshow adventures. Go figure! I was definitely a gun-buying day - we shouldn't leave out our "can't-hold-my-liquor" friend who also picked up a CETME - so I guess it was two HK pattern guns to one AR and one AK.
So far, my little "groundhog gun" is doing pretty well, cleaned up the barrel and gave everything a once over - now all I have to do is to find some optics and find the proper height rings:  As for my CETME, well, I'm definitely experiencing some minor teething problems with it at the moment:  All in all, a great day for a show - though we did have to make sure to maintain proper distance when walking behind Campy as not to diminish that aura surrounding him. |
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Posted: 7/12/2003 7:49:50 PM EDT
[#17]
I've bought a pretty big box full of those aluminum G3 mags and they all worked fine, even the one I got that was dented. You can get them for about $ 3 in great shape from about a bazillion places.
Stay away from my H&K! Who knew Campybob was so scary, yikes PS-I can give you a really good deal on my PTR-91 (HK-91 clone). PPS-$ 4 for steel real HK 91 mags? Hmmm maybe for the alyouminimum but steel is usually more than that. |
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Posted: 7/12/2003 9:58:13 PM EDT
[#18]
Well, if anything the MP5 is good right? I was under the impression H&K stuff was basically some of the best in the world. The G3 is a battle proven design, what is so bad about it Campy? (the H&K, not the CAI).
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Posted: 7/13/2003 1:18:57 AM EDT
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The Germans have 3 Airborne BNs if I remember correctly. Two is the former west, and the other is a carry over from the east. I jumped with one a few weeks ago. They using the G-36 now.
Judging the G-3 based on a CAI built gun is like judging the AK off a Hesse or Krinks based gun. Lets see, a factory built by Germans or a rifle built using old parts kits, a reverse engineered receiver not even made the same way, built by people making $6 an hour. I have a preban HK91, and it runs great. I boought mine for $1400 in 97, and you dont have to make a runner out of it. It already runs great. Have also shot of military G3s without problems. |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 4:44:59 AM EDT
[#20]
PPS-$ 4 for steel real HK 91 mags? Hmmm maybe for the alyouminimum but steel is usually more than that.
Aim- Not yesterday, there was a box full of lightly used steel mags for $7. If I did not already have a stack of NIW steels and sacks of alum... Eng- Gun buying day? $250 for a gorgeous 1900 Oberndorf M96, and $149 for a spanking new Makarov. |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 5:22:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/13/2003 6:53:58 AM EDT
[#22]
I bought my HK91 in '87 and it runs flawlessly. I just don't trust the CETME's and Century clones............too many problems for too many people.
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Posted: 7/13/2003 8:21:54 AM EDT
[#23]
I ran my Cetme for the first time yesterday. Ran great but the front sight is a little problematic. I have it close but it is rotated all the way left and seems to be off by a couple of inches to the left at 100m.
Other than that it is in excellent condition internals, bore, etc and ran great. I'll tinker with the site a little today and see if I can get it on. Not sure about buying another but my SAR-1 is a great little rifle. The Cetme? If I get the front sight on the money I'll consider it one of my best buys. Usually go more upscale but it called my name one day in the gunstore. I was picking up my FNC and the guy who owned the gunstore needed a little business anyhow. Also shot my SAR-48 for the first time yesterday. Had some problems trying to get the gas setting set up until I realized that gas plug was rotated in the wrong position. What a PITA. Gotta wonder if the guy who had it previously put it back together incorrectly and decided to sell it. |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 10:58:47 AM EDT
[#24]
I shot one of the problem-pleagued 1st run CETMEs a while ago and had no issues with it. The owner said he had to scrape the black paint out of the back of the reciever, but after that it "ran like a freight train" which is exactly what the bolt sounded like going back and fourth next to my ear.
I'm currently looking to trade my SAR2 setup for a good similar CETME package. |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 11:34:43 AM EDT
[#25]
Well, can't get the front sight on the money but I get good groups and seems very reliable.
I'll probably mount a cheap red dot sight on it eventually. FAL ran great also but I'll tell ya, the more I shoot the more I appreciate my AR's. They ARE the best:  |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 4:04:42 PM EDT
[#26]
fuck!!!!
shoots very nice groups. two foot left...two foot low. windage maxed out. i can fix the elevation easily enough, but what's the fix for the windage? at this point i'm damn tempted just to stick this pos in the hydraulic press and try and bend the trunnion around a tad. weird...the sights appear to be perfectly mounted...straight as an arrow. i got a funny feeling the trunnion is welded in cock-eyed. i'll stick it on the granite table tomorrow and see what the indicators say. after tearing apart the front sight, i can see no way of getting any adjustment out of it...unless the kaiser's boys made offset posts for it. anybody know if offset (windage) sight apeture inserts are available? or do i have to wire edm some out? i found the rear notch sight to be worthless. and yhey talk about ak sights being bad! the only time that sight would be useful is if a screaming hoard of godless red chinese were over-running my livingroom. i attempted zeroing with the 200m apeture...a marked improvement. now, i gotta go hit the gym. after cocking my pos and comparing the cocking force to rs39's...i figure i better stop the 12 oz. curls and start pumping iron. no wonder the bratwurstboyz put a cocking stop on the gun. that way, you and your buddy could both get the rifle cocked prior to going into action! note to self: next time, buy a sig-55x and see if the ricola eating suisse have figured out autoloaders any better than the saurkrauters. |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 4:53:07 PM EDT
[#27]
I'm just waiting for Waldo to find this thread ....
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Posted: 7/13/2003 5:29:48 PM EDT
[#28]
And yet my CETME cocks smoothly, and you/Waldo/Platehsooter were there when I was whacking Waldo's steel plate at 200+ yds with untouched stock irons on my first mag. So they can be good, but my G3 is just as bad right as yours is left, grrr...
On a brighter note, my Swede put 2 1" apart on the top of the paper for my first 5, and after adjusting the sight picture lower I put shots 5-10 in under 2" with 4 1 1/4" and 3 in 3/4". Just aiming at an 8" bull at 100yds. YUM! Oh, the AK with Kobra still rocks for plate shoots :) |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 5:40:29 PM EDT
[#29]
This is your penalty for committing Heresy. Kalashnikov himself probably thought this one up.
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Posted: 7/13/2003 6:26:35 PM EDT
[#30]
Hey all...
Since we're on the topic of the G3: I've found a couple places that sell parts kits, but can anyone point me to a forum-style site much like this one for the G3 stuff? How about links to parts kit resellers, receiver resellers, etc? I've seen a couple of G3SG1's built out of G3's, with PSG-1 grips, etc, on them, and am thinking that I'm wanting one of those in my collection next. Yeah, I'm sure that someday I'll get an AR something, but these G3's are looking REAL nice. |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 7:05:50 PM EDT
[#31]
....that fix for the windage....ya ain't gonna belive this. Turn down the head of the screw holding on the rear drum! I have heard of more than 1 person having to do this...something about the casting was off. I chucked up the screw(double nutted), and "milled" it down using a counter rotation from my dremel tool. Believe it or not it worked great!
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Posted: 7/13/2003 7:49:41 PM EDT
[#32]
www.gunboards.com www.cetmerifles.com |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 7:53:08 PM EDT
[#33]
rotdorn! Sounds good. Now explain to us weekend gunsmith apprentices so we can understand. Pics would be nice if you can. thanks. edited to add: looked at my rear sight and I don't see a screw per se. No slot in it anyway. |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 8:55:02 PM EDT
[#34]
How would they get that close??? |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 9:04:05 PM EDT
[#35]
or do what i did, send the POS back to century twice until they send you a "decent" one.
1st was like 3 feet left @ 100 yards. 2nd one was 2 feet left, didnt cycle, and wouldnt hold a mag in 3rd one, well after a little dremil touch up around the mag catch hole in the reciever she runs like a champ and is dead nut @ 100 yards. sure is an accurate sucker, heavy and LOUD though. |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 9:10:08 PM EDT
[#36]
Mine runs great and I expected worse from what I hear. Most seem to shoot left and the post above may account for that. I do like my rifle and if I can fix the problem I will do it. I fully expected to have a couple of fixes. If this is it and I can fix it I will be happy. Otherwise it runs great and groups well. |
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Posted: 7/13/2003 9:12:15 PM EDT
[#37]
I'm in. Anybody else game? |
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Posted: 7/14/2003 3:20:39 AM EDT
[#38]
engineer...you ain't red! you're red, white and blue!!!
i meant those relatives of yours that live in beijing...peiping...er peking...heheh! well, i got this bastard pos stripped and by god, if i have to put it in "v"-blocks and put the hydraulic pressure to it....I WILL! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW CROOKED THE BBL. AXIS IS IN RELATION TO THE RECEIVER. damn century chimpanzees! i already thought about lengthening the couterbored slot on the rear sight base, in prder to increase the travel...but i hate a mickeymoused gun (sorry, mickeymouse!!! lol!). if i can move this trunnion just a wee bit, i might be able to pull it closer to home. |
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Posted: 7/14/2003 3:45:37 AM EDT
[#39]
It's the sickness, man, the sickness! |
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Posted: 7/14/2003 3:37:41 PM EDT
[#40]
The clones never run right.............pay the money for a real HK...........I know, it hurts.............I should have would have could have back in the 80's........no consolasion for you you'ns. MHO.
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Posted: 7/14/2003 3:39:51 PM EDT
[#41]
BTW, Bob's my age.........firckin' old man. (see ya at da creek bud!!)
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Posted: 7/14/2003 4:00:37 PM EDT
[#42]
Seems the HK-51 assembled by the "mickemouse" runs just fine!! Remember, Campy?
The 21, however, continues to defeat me. Now THAT is a POS!! Recently built a 91 for a friend. POS. Guy bought FAC junk kit with one of their no-good new barrels. Harlan told me even THEY don't know who made them!! Will replace with surplus barrel which is a PIA in an HK. Still has FAC's junk aftermarket furniture which I presume to be CAI in origin. I like clones just fine. What I DON'T like is the trash that FAC and CAI put on the market. At least CAI attempts to make it right whereas FAC tells you to piss up a rope. Campy, I have OS rollers if you need any. |
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Posted: 7/14/2003 4:32:38 PM EDT
[#43]
mickey, thanks...headspace checks plenty good, spent brass looks...well, it looks just as crappy as brass chucked out any heckler & jeckler on the planet.
you know...you just reminded me of something. even the h & k twins advised me to steer clear of the g3/91 rifles. this is bizarre. the freakin' bbl. is in the receiver as close to dead-nut straight as can be be measured with a .001" indicator!!!! i didn't measure the sight locations, yet...but, they sure look darn good to me. no muzzle irregularities...no bullet dtrikes in that obnoxious brake. we did a 20' boresight job on it...and one can clearly pick up that the elevation is off...just in the 'low' direction shown by test shooting. what's weird is that the windage "looks" to be very close to being right? AAAARRRGGGGHHHHH! not the 2' off (corrected to 8-10" off when the rear sight was maxed out) seen at the range. tomorrow, i'm making a rear sight tool and getting ready to apply a little pressure to our german friend. muwahahahahaha! |
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Posted: 7/14/2003 10:31:00 PM EDT
[#44]
Thank you for the links! I realize the CETME's are licensed copies of the G3, but is there another site that does specialize in specifically the HK G3, or am I being way too picky/finicky?
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Posted: 7/15/2003 2:55:57 AM EDT
[#45]
Bob,
Does it have that funky muzzel brake on it? If so, is it on straight? Talked to Todd and he brought up about one we worked on that was actually drilled to .312". A little tight. We opened up a bit and it worked fine. Just a thought. Mike |
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Posted: 7/15/2003 3:10:09 AM EDT
[#46]
HKpro.com But the CETME was first, then came the G3. Ger engineer went to Spain after WW2, developed gun, later came back to Ger, tweaked it a bit, mainly different angles to the roller locking pieces for stronger extraction (unlocks with more pressure still in the bbl=more violent cycling). |
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Posted: 7/15/2003 3:21:19 AM EDT
[#47]
mike, the obnoxiously loud brake appears to be mounted straight and centered and there is no evidence of bullet strikes on the i.d..
hang on a second and i'll measure the bore of the brake.... .332". |
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Posted: 7/15/2003 4:15:03 AM EDT
[#48]
wanna read 9 pages about how bad a $750-900 version of the g3/91 is?
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=9&t=168519 i'm glad i got the cheapy version, and not the overpriced ptr-91. like i said, these heckler & jeckler things have never impressed me. just my opion, but there are too many areas in their construction that can cause a final alignment error that will be a pain in the rear to correct. |
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Posted: 7/15/2003 5:21:48 AM EDT
[#49]
Just think guys....1987 price of an HK91 with one 20 mag was $550 retail with a $50 rebate. My wife kabashed me buying the HK93 next because "we can't afford it honey". Oh well, never lessen to your wife hehehe.
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Posted: 7/15/2003 6:00:33 AM EDT
[#50]
Was thinking about making this my next project/build after I get my AK-74's done... Should be better than a pre-built, if it's done right. |
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