speshul weapunz?

god help us.

i have yet to see a sw product that ran more than a single-shot in my prescence.

if you are handy with fixing things, it might be worth a try...since you have a trigger pack and sear to pop on it.

I have an SW5 that runs like a Singer sewing machine. It feeds on factory, straight, and pof mags.

Toad can be an ass to deal with(he has always treated me fair), but you have to admit atleast he is bringing a product to the firearms community.

"but you have to admit atleast he is bringing a product to the firearms community."

the ONLY thing i'll admit to when it comes to sw is that they go bang...ONCE! then you can drop the mag and try again.

rot, i can make any gun work the way it should, given enought time, tools and ammo. but, for the prices charged, those things should work right.

the last .45 acp thingy some poor wretch dragged out to the range had the magwell welded in so crooked the gun would have to be cut apart to fix it!

currently, it sits unwanted on a gunshow table with a $1600 pricetag on it (negotiable...he REALLY wants to lose it!).

another one showed up at the first two plateshoots we had. never saw the owner get off 2 in a row. never saw the gun, sfter that.


and don't even get me started on toad's so called "warranty"...you know...the one that starts when the gun comes off his welding table!

QuikSilver,
I got it from a guy that runs a local training school for the  police. He was switching from MP5 basis to the 9mm AR system(that is what the regional police are using...don't ask me why)

Bob,
I remember your SW45 story, that was a stupid idea in the first place, sort of a Frankin'weapon. Mine works, thats all I know. Writing off all his weapons is about as sensible as saying ALL Century's stuff sucks because of the problems I had with my SAR. I'll bet I can find 2:1 Century screwups over SW. Toad's biggest problem is his customer service skills(more like customer disservice). His issues first started on HK91.com when he went up, and delayed delivery of weapons. (Ghee like we haven't seen this in the AK community!)I was over there when all this started.(That was my first firearms board)

Jason over at IGF, has taken SW kits and produced weapons that equal HK Factory produced stuff.

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I went and did some research....

by gunplumber Member Member # 1034  posted December 17, 2002 20:06                       -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem with Special Weapons was 20% product and 120% Toad Bailey.......

Bob, you will have to admit Mark knows what he is talking about.

I also learned that as of March '03 SW will no longer be selling to the civilian market. LEO, and overseas military only. They are no longer Special Weapons LLC, they closed the doors as of today, They are reopening as Special Weapons Inc.

i thought (and the rest of the world hoped!) toad was getting out of the civilian market and concentrating on military and export/overseas sales??? (i guess he hasn't screwed some folks in bora-bora...yet?)

gunplumber has literally ripped toad and his speshul weapunz a new one, over the last couple of years.

do i trust mark? or do i trust todd? hmmm...gimme a minute on this one...uh...MARK!

rot, perhaps you should rephrase your thesis.

"Writing off all his weapons is about as sensible as saying ALL Century's stuff sucks because of the problems I had with my SAR."

to something like this:

ENDORSING off all his weapons is about as sensible as saying all SPESHUL WEAPUNZ's stuff WORKS because I have found one that actually runs.

i think that reveision is closer to reality, myself.

no thanks rot. i ain't buying no speshul weapuns. i've seen then. i've watched them. and more importantly, i've listened to too many folks bitch about his products.

IF...if...if it were a $300 century built sar, well, we could make some excuses that MIGHT wash. and, in reality, we really aren't much for being apologists for century's crappy work...even at the three bones mark. when it comes to heckler & jeckler brand firearms that are rebuilt into $1000-2000 retail items...well, i expect MORE! way more. and way more than what i've seen with my own two eyes and way more than what i've read with them.

add toad, himself, and all his antics to the equation and pardon me if driven right into the arms of...ANYONE ELSE THAT BUILDS A GUN!

sorry to sound like a hardass on this, but i am damn thankfull that i never decided to buy one of todd's products.

Quoted: gunplumber has literally ripped toad and his speshul weapunz a new one, over the last couple of years.

gunplumber has also had his karma leveled, at one time he wouldn't touch Paki-HK parts, now he IS Mr. POF-USA

to something like this: ENDORSING off all his weapons is about as sensible as saying all SPESHUL WEAPUNZ's stuff WORKS because I have found one that actually runs.

Ok, how about this out of 100% of my experience Century stuff is crap, and SW worked 100% of the time? silly huh? sure! Just like saying all of SW is crap. I will give you the SW45 is a stupid idea, just concentrate on copying what is already working.

add toad, himself, and all his antics to the equation and pardon me if driven right into the arms of...ANYONE ELSE THAT BUILDS A GUN!

If being a prick and being in the gun business would put you in jail, then you know as well as I Chief would be put UNDER Levenworth! You know how I feel about Keith, but in my opinion, they both are on about the same level. Both added a great deal to the community, but neither one should deal with the community!

faldoc, if I photoshop a "artists rendering" of a gun I intend to make will you fund it also? I have no idea if I will actually make mine either, or if it will actually work. But I do guarantee it will be COOOOOOL.

I'm looking for investor....uh I'm taking pre paid orders now. Get them soon cause after this I will only sell to military only.

By the way, anyone who actually believes foreign military and LE agencies are paying $850 for the SW5 when a real HKMP5 sells for $950 truly deserves to own a SW5.

Maybe its just me , but before I would pay $3,500 for a preban factory 94, I would buy...

SW5............950
Rob M96.......1050
Bulgy 74AK.....600
Pre  Ban AR....900
Total.......$3,500

I mean factory HK stuff is nice, but it is like teenage pussy....way overrated! I like to shoot my stuff, not keep it in a safe, and make sure all the date codes match.

Quoted: Maybe its just me , but before I would pay $3,500 for a preban factory 94, I would buy... SW5............950 Rob M96.......1050 Bulgy 74AK.....600 Pre  Ban AR....900 Total.......$3,500 I mean factory HK stuff is nice, but it is like teenage pussy....way overrated! I like to shoot my stuff, not keep it in a safe, and make sure all the date codes match.

It is just you, you can't add.

Also the price for a HK94 is $900 + artificial inflation due to legislation. $900 is about what they'd sell for if still legal to import. You are comparing preban to postban prices.

The only people who call HK overated are usually those who never owned real HK stuff. HK rifles are certainly not overated, they have a well deserved reputation for being absolutely reliable and dependable combined with impressive quality, accuracy and performance.

But for $950, I'd definitely pass on the Special Widget and buy ANY gun that works out of the box. You can get a 9mm RRA AR15 for that NIB.

Quoted: ...Also the price for a HK94 is $900 + artificial inflation due to legislation. $900 is about what they'd sell for if still legal to import. You are comparing preban to postban prices.

Yes, and if grand ma had balls she would be grand pa!...what color is the sky in the world you live? The legislation is here, and yes preban 94s go for 3300~3500.

Hiram,
actually that was over rated I bought a preban AR for $700, and going to buy a Norinco pre ban for $550(same thing I sold to to a guy for about 8~9 years ago, except it had 1440 rounds of ammo) Thinking about making a Krink folder,SBR out of it!

" but it is like teenage pussy....way overrated!"

BULLLLLLSHIT! heheheh!

gotta agree wiht rot. not all of us live in new york, hiram. 9 bones and i can bring home a blue label. sure, the morons try to get $1200 out of them...but they don't sell at that price.

the day after bulletfest, i ran into a guy at the mapleton range and helped him get his $400 car running. now, i'll agree that 4 bones IS an exception...but $900 is what a blue a2 20" is selling at in my area.

h&k builds STAMPED and WELDED guns. i prefer the "quality" of an old springfield or fal over the delayed roller locking blowback actions anyday. if stamped and welded is "quality", a hesse built kalashnikov is a rolls-royce. hell, a cementme has a better buffer in it!

let's get real here. i didn't buy h&k when they were $600, and i certainly wouldn't pay the going rates for one.

pre-ban vs. post-ban is a joke. i have never participated in a drive-by bayoneting. i don't snipe at night. and if i want a short gun i pick up one of my pistols.

Quoted: ....let's get real here. i didn't buy h&k when they were $600, and i certainly wouldn't pay the going rates for one......

I remember the day well, it was 1987, my neighbor behind me needed some cash, and offered me his 94 in the box, with sliding stock for $650. I didn't buy it because I knew he only paid $550 for it a couple months before from another friend of ours. Am I kicking myself today? yup! 'cause I would sell it in a NewYork instant for $3500!

Hiram,
This isn't the NYSE, the prices here aren't the only ones in the world. I can buy good used AR mags for $10 a pop. Preban deals are out there, but you have to look off the boards! Also conversely the only store in town that sells 5.45x39 has it in a bin for .65 EACH...yup Shop wisely my friend!

faldoc, i shoot a single-shot .22 rf that i have over $2600 wrapped up in.

for me, it ain't about the money.

the basic idea of dropping your sear in a 7.62x39 gun is fantastic.

i.b., that was good!

Quoted: SteyrAUG Well, if you post a real nice gun and you have good references I might!   I have put some dough down for a Shrike upper, realizing that it might not ever materialize.  However, it is a bet I am willing to take a little risk on.  I have bought MGs on the internet from folks I do not know much about and had a lot more money on the line than this, as have most folks who have MGs.   As far as the SW52 is concerned, I have not decided to buy it for sure, nor have I put any money down because there is no offer to sell yet.  Once he has it made, and it seems to work, I might get one.  I think there will be plenty of time to get one and plenty of guns if I wait.  I could have waited on the Shrike, but there is something I have a good feeling is going to work well, so far.  Plus if I waited I would only have to pay more if and when it comes out.   Life is full of risk, and most times we win, sometimes we lose.   SW might have a bit of an attitude problem, but he has delivered in the past and there are a lot of people who have his guns who like them.  I realize that there are also some who have guns which don't work.  Seems like his recent guns are working better.  Again, it might be a gamble, but for $650 I can't see much downside.   Doesn't anyone else think an HK clone which uses 8 cents a shot AK ammo and $10 AK mags which can take a registered sear for full auto blasting is a neat idea?  Plus consider blasting with HK AK caliber clone of $650 cost vs. my $3200 HK SP89 or $4500 MP5SD SBR.  Hmmmm.  No brainer for me.

Hey man I'm just trying to save you. regarding the Shrike, IT actually exists and was proven BEFORE he took orders.

Toad has a history of letting customers develop his weapons. Many have never materialized and MOST (this is a tactful way of saying ALL) were much less than expected or advertised.

But you GOTTA get one of these....

I hear it "might" be avialable in 7.62x39

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