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Posted: 8/29/2002 3:58:41 AM EDT
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at the black rifle convention, i helped instruct the new shooter's range. we had 4 5.45 ar's, courtesy of alexander arms, to play with for the entire day.
i shot 3 of the rifles, in various configs, and put many rounds downrange. i loved the 5.45 ar. it seemed to have more recoil than the ak-74, but it was still a light push. it uses a std. usgi ar mag, also. we also got to shoot the .50 beowolf at my local range. now...THAT muther is a bruiser! a local fellow that shoots with us is a rep for alexander. he was also out at the brc with us. |
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Posted: 8/29/2002 5:03:47 AM EDT
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I saw that, it was an interesting article. problem is though......everyone knows you can't shoot Russian ammo in an AR type rifle......
(note the sarcasm in that last part before you flame me please) If I had the extra cash I would pick one up just to have something different. I picked up a 50 Beowolf case in the post bulletfest clean up. Quite impressive just looking at the spent case. |
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Posted: 8/29/2002 7:37:03 AM EDT
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I think the name may be a stab at spoofing politcal correctness... Like when Honda changed the name from "Hurricane" to CBR600. Same product, different name.
The good news is reloading stuff should be out soon. On those AR's, what did they use for mags? Any hicaps? ~Doug |
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Posted: 8/29/2002 8:20:02 AM EDT
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They use the same mag as a .223
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Posted: 8/29/2002 12:48:41 PM EDT
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They use the same mag as a .223
I was with Campy at BRC, 5.45 in AR mags requires old style black followers to allow for the round shape to tilt a bit. This tilt reduces the final mag capacity by roughly 25%. |
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Posted: 8/29/2002 5:36:44 PM EDT
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That explains my next question about the hi-cap mags. If they can do something about that it would be a better seller I think.
RotDorn, I agree with the caliber names. There are too many as it is now. I tried to sell a box of 9mm PARABELLUM to a guy with a lugar last weekend. he wouldn't buy it because he insisted that he needed 9mm Lugar. Convincing people that 9mm Steyr is the same as 9mm Bergman-Banyard-Largo is imposible as well as getting people to realize the previously mentioned caliber goes by 3 names but is the same round..... I could write about this for days. It gets to confusing calling a round by different names, just call it what it is. |
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Posted: 8/31/2002 10:12:20 PM EDT
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The .21 Genghis is a sweet shooter but I already spent my money on a SAI built AK-74. The 50 Beowulf kicks harder than karate! But I'd still love to have one...
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Posted: 9/19/2002 6:12:17 PM EDT
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I have a .21 Genghis (5.45x39mm) Upper for sale in almost new condition for $500 OBO. See my ad below.
Mig http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=118910 |
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Posted: 9/19/2002 6:18:04 PM EDT
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What is the benefit of of a 5.45x39 over standard 5.56?
Just curious |
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Posted: 9/20/2002 3:40:31 AM EDT
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"What is the benefit of of a 5.45x39 over standard 5.56?"
cheap plinking and less recoil. |
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Posted: 9/20/2002 10:58:56 AM EDT
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I never found any real recoil from 5.56...
But am not aware of the cost diference, I usually shoot wolf........ |
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Posted: 9/20/2002 12:41:40 PM EDT
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"I never found any real recoil from 5.56..."
the energy transferred to felt recoil of 5.45 is approximately 2/3rds. of .223. this is a very noticable drop. try shooting a 5.45 krinkov full auto. you can keep that short thing on a washing machine, easily, at 100 yards. next, try that same trick with a 20" m-16. But am not aware of the cost diference, I usually shoot wolf........ the cost difference in wolf (in my area) is only $10/case. but, if you shoot a lot of ammo, it adds up...or think of it as a free ak mag with each case shot! heheh! |
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Posted: 9/20/2002 7:58:23 PM EDT
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Jim S.
Your email is bouncing back ... Try again. |
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Posted: 9/21/2002 6:42:13 AM EDT
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Not really a great comparison though. The AK bolt weighs more, and it has the big gas piston attached to it, plus tolerances are loser, so one should expect less recoil. A better comparison would be a 5.56mm AK versus 5.45mm. I have both, but neither are full auto so I can't really compare the two. On the other hand, 5.45mm certainly does have less recoil caused by its reduced load. I am not disputing that. -SS |
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Posted: 9/21/2002 7:14:12 AM EDT
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There is an article in the current Gun World magazine about the 50 Beowulf with passing mention of the 21 Genghis.
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Posted: 9/28/2002 3:02:46 PM EDT
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I have both the Beowolf and the Genghis. I love them both. The 5.45 does have less recoil then 223, but This makes you notice the muzzle fip a little more. The end of the barrel is turned down already, so It was easy to install a Cav comp on the end of it, big improvement. I have well over a 1000 rounds through the 5.45 AR and loving it completely. The 5.45 has a flatter trajectory also.
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Posted: 9/29/2002 4:23:23 PM EDT
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refresh my memory please....how many 5.45x39mm rounds will fit in the AR magazine?
I'm starting to consider this Genghis upper. |
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