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Posted: 10/31/2017 6:03:59 PM EDT
http://www.recoilweb.com/finally-surefires-new-1500-lumen-scout-light-130651.html
This WML that puts out more than twice the light as the M600 Ultra is named the M600DF. With current technology, 1,000 lumens appears to be on the upper limits of the output of a CR123 battery–and Surefire broke it. Not only will the M600DF put out 1,200 lumens with CR123s, but this Scout can also eat dual fuel. No, not dual fuel with AA and CR123, but the larger and more energy dense rechargeable 18650 and CR123s. And you get 1,500 lumens with a 18650 battery.
The MSRP? The same as the current crop of Surefire Scout lights: $299. 
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Posted: 10/31/2017 6:07:44 PM EDT
[#1]
Just for the sake of asking, if that had a vampire head on it how bright would that be with night vision?
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Posted: 10/31/2017 6:15:19 PM EDT
[#2]
Fuck. More shit I want.
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Posted: 10/31/2017 6:52:51 PM EDT
[#3]
I don't need that. I need the 200-800 lumen lights to come down in price, not shining something reflective and having it murder my night vision. For that price, it's a great deal on sunshine though
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Posted: 10/31/2017 8:15:10 PM EDT
[#4]
So... basically to compete with the Streamlight HL-X.
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Posted: 10/31/2017 8:16:35 PM EDT
[#5]
Want
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Posted: 10/31/2017 8:21:58 PM EDT
[#6]
I need this light.
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Posted: 10/31/2017 9:16:34 PM EDT
[#7]
LOL, must have hired some Chinese.
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Posted: 10/31/2017 9:22:19 PM EDT
[#8]
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So... basically to compete with the Streamlight HL-X. I loved my Surefires but they're simply not worth the money to me anymore. |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 9:31:25 PM EDT
[#9]
I will be buying one once they hit my preferred distributors. The more light the better. The fact that there's no price increase is pleasantly surprising.
I use an HLX handheld on duty and love the light output and throw. If I can get more of that in a weapon light, then I'm stoked. For those of you concerned regarding too many lumens, take a class and learn how to properly utilize your light. The more, the better. |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 9:38:08 PM EDT
[#10]
Surefire is finally starting to come out with some innovative products again. Quite refreshing. Do want.
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Posted: 10/31/2017 9:45:31 PM EDT
[#11]
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I will be buying one once they hit my preferred distributors. The more light the better. The fact that there's no price increase is pleasantly surprising. I use an HLX handheld on duty and love the light output and throw. If I can get more of that in a weapon light, then I'm stoked. For those of you concerned regarding too many lumens, take a class and learn how to properly utilize your light. The more, the better. Also this 1500 lumen is brought to you courtesy of an 18650 cell that Surefire refused to bore their lights for, and even Surefire wanna be Elzetta mimicked and declared too unreliable for a weapon light. I'm glad to see Surefire coming around on the technology scale , but there is absolutely nothing in that light that makes it worth anything near their asking price. If the government and public safety agencies spending someone else money weren't buying Surefire they would have gone tits up years ago. |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 10:01:16 PM EDT
[#12]
Do want!
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Posted: 10/31/2017 10:16:47 PM EDT
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Not that I disagree, but the irony in that is the Surefire sycophants raged for years that anything more than the pitiful 60 lumen that dribbled out of the front of a 6P for 20 minutes would blind you and render you entirely helpless. Also this 1500 lumen is brought to you courtesy of an 18650 cell that Surefire refused to bore their lights for, and even Surefire wanna be Elzetta mimicked and declared too unreliable for a weapon light. I'm glad to see Surefire coming around on the technology scale , but there is absolutely nothing in that light that makes it worth anything near their asking price. If the government and public safety agencies spending someone else money weren't buying Surefire they would have gone tits up years ago. I understand SF has been extremely slow to come around to modern competition and upgrades, but I love their quality and switches. I won't pay full list price, but $220ish is fair for the first quality 1500 lumen duty light. |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 10:36:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Damnit, I just ordered another 600U on Sunday.
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Posted: 10/31/2017 10:52:35 PM EDT
[#15]
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I use an HLX handheld on duty and love the light output and throw. If I can get more of that in a weapon light, then I'm stoked. . ETA: and the HL-X can use 18650 batteries too. |
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Posted: 11/1/2017 12:06:30 AM EDT
[#16]
FINALLY, Surefire is offering a Scout that uses 18650 batteries.
As to 1,500 Lumens...Meh TWO YEARS AGO Vinhnguyen54 over on CandlePowerForums was building a Surefire P60 head outputting over 4,000 Lumens! He has several mods that push well over 10,000 Lumens in handheld flashlights. |
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Posted: 11/1/2017 12:19:08 AM EDT
[#17]
Kinda want
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Posted: 11/1/2017 9:34:54 AM EDT
[#18]
Yup. This will be put on my patrol gun.
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Posted: 11/1/2017 2:56:52 PM EDT
[#19]
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The HL-X comes in a weapon light configuration ("HL-X rail mount weapon light"). Unlike Surefire, they also come with clamp, wiring for tape switch, tape switch itself, and adhesive pad and zip ties (oh, and battery too). And all for 1/3 the price of the Surefire. Granted, the HL-X is 1k lumen (vs this new SF 1.5K lumen), but still... that's a hell of deal for a SF competitor. ETA: and the HL-X can use 18650 batteries too. |
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Posted: 11/1/2017 5:25:37 PM EDT
[#20]
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At three times the price. I loved my Surefires but they're simply not worth the money to me anymore. |
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Posted: 11/1/2017 7:06:33 PM EDT
[#21]
Surefire lights mount with little to no thought when it comes to mount options and availability. One feature ArmyTek, EagTac, Klarus, Lumintop, and others being used, do not have.
There are lots of good EDC flashlights available that out shine, in comparison to many rifle, pistol ready options. Where the EDC lights are lacking, mount-ability in good form factor and function. Been there, done that. Buy a light designed to mount on a rifle. Or continue on mounting the EDC lights. The topic here is about a new Surefire weapon light. 1500 lumen? 18650 battery? Added weight? I like my M300 and M600 Scouts. **Topic tagged for more hands-on user input** ETA Surefire weapon lights are expensive, but they're made for a specific use. When the EDC lights mount like them, I'll buy them. IMO, EDC lights mounted in 1" offset mounts are form and functionality, ugly as fuck YMMV |
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Posted: 11/1/2017 7:27:20 PM EDT
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Surefire lights mount with little to no thought when it comes to mount options and availability. One feature ArmyTek, EagTac, Klarus, Lumintop, and others being used, do not have. There are lots of good EDC flashlights available that out shine, in comparison to many rifle, pistol ready options. Where the EDC lights are lacking, mount-ability in good form factor and function. Been there, done that. Buy a light designed to mount on a rifle. Or continue on mounting the EDC lights. The topic here is about a new Surefire weapon light. 1500 lumen? 18650 battery? Added weight? I like my M300 and M600 Scouts. **Topic tagged for more hands-on user input** ETA Surefire weapon lights are expensive, but they're made for a specific use. When the EDC lights mount like them, I'll buy them. IMO, EDC lights mounted in 1" offset mounts are form and functionality, ugly as fuck YMMV |
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Posted: 11/1/2017 7:39:03 PM EDT
[#23]
Things that concern me:
1500 lumen better have a LOT of throw, and a nice amount of flood. The reflector they use will be the the unicorn. Are the LEDs de-domed as their way of lumen increase? Saying a light is 1500 lumen is one thing. How they control the output in their choice of reflector, that remains to be seen. I hope they got it right |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 5:02:14 AM EDT
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Things that concern me: 1500 lumen better have a LOT of throw, and a nice amount of flood. The reflector they use will be the the unicorn. Are the LEDs de-domed as their way of lumen increase? Saying a light is 1500 lumen is one thing. How they control the output in their choice of reflector, that remains to be seen. I hope they got it right |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 5:44:36 AM EDT
[#25]
In 4 vampire version @ under 200 via hookups
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Posted: 11/3/2017 5:52:10 AM EDT
[#26]
Will have
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Posted: 11/3/2017 7:00:33 AM EDT
[#27]
I have owned a 6P for almost 15 years now, and it's been a go to. finally upgraded the head last year and it made a world of difference, like 300 lumen instead of the 60 or whatever. it's great. Not sure I want to make the jump to new batteries or could stomach a $300 flashlight, but I (as a non-first responder/mil) like the idea of lightning shit up. $300 for a light is still way better than 3k for NV, and since most of my trouble would be within 50 feet, this should have me covered.
however I agree with above posters about other brands coming in. My rifles/pistols have streamlights on them since they have held up well for me and are 1/2 or 1/3 the price. my carry lights are migrating over to Fenix since they are putting out some great values and I've had good luck with customer support. If they made a pistol light I would buy it in a heartbeat. my single AAA model from them is brighter than the surefire was pre-head. |
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Posted: 11/3/2017 8:25:08 AM EDT
[#28]
Any word on upgraded m300s ? Are FDE lights coming back ?
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Posted: 11/4/2017 10:07:55 PM EDT
[#29]
So any idea when it will be available?
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Posted: 11/6/2017 11:37:39 AM EDT
[#30]
As a Surefire fanboy, I will get one eventually.
My list of priorities: 1. Build quality and reliability. 2. Beam quality (even, neutral white, good throw) 3. Mounting options. 4. Availability of spare parts such as switches, heads, etc to change configuration (use the head, tail cap, or body on other lights I already own and use) 5. Price 6. Warranty and CS |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 1:17:12 PM EDT
[#31]
do the batteries groan when you turn it on.
that thing is so bright it is useless. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 3:30:23 PM EDT
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do the batteries groan when you turn it on. that thing is so bright it is useless. If not you have no idea whether it is or not! I have a Wicked Laser "The Torch" which is 4,100 lumens and is so ineffective it's worthless except for setting newspaper on fire. Because of the reflector design it has virtually zero throw, it won't light a wall up 20 feet away as well as a 60 lumen light I have. Total lumens by themselves means nothing. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 10:34:09 PM EDT
[#33]
That’s a lot of lumens. I ditched a x300 because on my handgun it was to much. Honestly the 200 lumen heads are perfect for what I need.
still cool though. |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 11:56:49 AM EDT
[#34]
It's almost impossible to have too much light coming from a weapon light. In a home defense/LE/military usage the more lumens the better (assuming of course appropriate throw). When lives are on the line it's no time to be conservative with light. If I could have mounted the sun on my M4 I would have.
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Posted: 11/7/2017 8:23:41 PM EDT
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It's almost impossible to have too much light coming from a weapon light. In a home defense/LE/military usage the more lumens the better (assuming of course appropriate throw). When lives are on the line it's no time to be conservative with light. If I could have mounted the sun on my M4 I would have. |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 9:44:33 PM EDT
[#36]
Anybody have an idea when it might be available for purchase?
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Posted: 11/8/2017 8:48:07 PM EDT
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Iol agreed. It's crazy how ppl on here still talk of more lumens is bad and mirror blinding etc... a light is a defense tool as well. The more light the better. Oh well. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 8:53:39 PM EDT
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Untrained persons who's only experience comes from youtube, forums, and slapping a light on their gun and running through their house in the darkness. Oh well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Iol agreed. It's crazy how ppl on here still talk of more lumens is bad and mirror blinding etc... a light is a defense tool as well. The more light the better. Oh well.
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Posted: 11/9/2017 1:32:46 AM EDT
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Anybody have an idea when it might be available for purchase? |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 10:29:43 PM EDT
[#40]
Edited -- keep this out of the tech forums - sju
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Posted: 11/12/2017 2:32:56 PM EDT
[#41]
I'll wait and get both, handgun version for my USP Tac. And then I'll transfer that light which is an XU300 to my 3rd gen Glock 17 and the rifle version for my AR SBR.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 4:28:35 AM EDT
[#42]
I want one for sure, I camp in some National Forrest's and some of the areas are really wide open. This would be great on my scar 17, as long as it has lots of throw. I don't see why it wouldn't, why would they design a rifle light with out a lot of throw.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 4:11:39 PM EDT
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I want one for sure, I camp in some National Forrest's and some of the areas are really wide open. This would be great on my scar 17, as long as it has lots of throw. I don't see why it wouldn't, why would they design a rifle light with out a lot of throw. |
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Posted: 11/14/2017 9:50:15 AM EDT
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When I saw the EDCL2-T with 1200 Lumens, my first thought was "I hope they make a 1200 lumen scout light" now, bam, here it is and more. I've been meaning to get a light for my latest build, this will fit the bill. Cant wait to get get my hands on this.
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Posted: 11/14/2017 10:17:40 AM EDT
[#45]
Welcome, Surefire. Welcome to 2014. I'm glad you finally made it.
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Posted: 11/14/2017 11:33:22 AM EDT
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Welcome, Surefire. Welcome to 2014. I'm glad you finally made it. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 4:37:59 AM EDT
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Welcome, Surefire. Welcome to 2014. I'm glad you finally made it. Maybe someday they'll actually make something that isn't chasing someone else's product (such as Olight or Streamlight who are kicking the snot out of SF). |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 5:51:22 AM EDT
[#48]
Glad they’ve finally come around to embracing “new” tech.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:01:08 PM EDT
[#49]
want
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Posted: 11/18/2017 5:27:15 PM EDT
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Lol! I edited my prior post because I thought I was overly harsh on SF.... but this post nails it. Maybe someday they'll actually make something that isn't chasing someone else's product (such as Olight or Streamlight who are kicking the snot out of SF). Streamlight has really upgraded their game as of recent, but I've broken more streamlights than I have Surefires. a 1500 lumen tir scout will, I predict, be even better than An HLX and fit on a carbine better. Let's not be dramatic here, for duty use, SF is still the goto |
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